@Goalline posted:He was inconsistent during the first 8 games. Some bad, some good, some in-between.
Andrew Brandt was kind enough to remind fans that these contracts are not about past performance, they are about future performance. So this play by play parsing of Love's 1st NFL season...is irrelevant.
Mostly yawn. I guess the four-year length is a bit surprising, but it gives him another shot at top money and I suppose the Packers an out if something bad happens. Otherwise this fell right into most expectations.
@Satori posted:Andrew Brandt was kind enough to remind fans that these contracts are not about past performance, they are about future performance. So this play by play parsing of Love's 1st NFL season...is irrelevant.
I think you need to visit the context of the post. It was a response to the previous post and I was agreeing with Dr Bob.
I didn’t need Andrew Brandt to remind me of this. I’ve been saying this since before the draft.
@Satori posted:Andrew Brandt was kind enough to remind fans that these contracts are not about past performance, they are about future performance. So this play by play parsing of Love's 1st NFL season...is irrelevant.
But if Love would have looked like shit last year I doubt GB would have offered him squat. So revisiting Love's performance last year was one hell of determining factor in GB envisioning a future with him.
Echoing MJ's post above
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst this morning: “How (Jordan Love) handled this past year, becoming the guy and handling that pressure, coming out the other side of it gave us a lot of confidence that this is the guy that’s going to lead us into the future.“ https://t.co/SdCVYAFGfB
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 27, 2024
@Satori posted:Andrew Brandt was kind enough to remind fans that these contracts are not about past performance, they are about future performance. So this play by play parsing of Love's 1st NFL season...is irrelevant.
Any psychologist knows that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, so his performance last season isn't completely irrelevant. 😉
Perhaps I can be more clear here
Love's behavior over the last 4 years is relevant to him handling the largesse bestowed upon him and the Packers felt comfortable that he's a 5 star human and will continue to be one going forward - as you noted above
Love's on field performance over the last 4 years gives the Packers comfort in his skills, growth and future potential in the NFL. That's also relevant
A good or a bad half vs the Giants ? Not so much.
Does that make sense ?
no
OK.
Then let's go with this one:
I was totally and completely and unreservedly wrong from start to finish
yes
7 TD, 1 Int, 2-1 record to start the season. Then shit happens, and then other shit happens and the Packers made the playoffs.
4yr $220mm is fair for both sides.
@H5 posted:7 TD, 1 Int, 2-1 record to start the season. Then shit happens, and then other shit happens and the Packers made the playoffs.
4yr $220mm is fair for both sides.
It was a good contract for the Packers. In 2 years time he will seem underpaid when other up and coming QBs sign for 60 mil plus. It’s the cap. It keeps increasing.
Burrow won a national championship and got his team to a Super Bowl already. He’s also the one guy that figured out a way to beat Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Yes he’s been dinged here and there, but other than Mahomes who right now is better than him? It sure as shit isn’t Jordan Love.
That’s not to say the Packers can’t win and that Jordan Love can’t become really good for the long run. But let’s also not forget we literally have a half a season sample size at this point to assess him on.
The Packers had to pay him for sure but any projection that he’s already on his way is a bit premature.
I actually think this next season is critical for him because he won’t be able to sneak up on anyone. And defensive coordinators have had a whole offseason to study him and gameplan.
Interesting looking at the details of the contract as they are never as big as they seem when released.
Since it's an extension and he had another year on his previous deal, this means it goes until 2028, which is 5 full seasons. The interesting part is that the cap hit for '24-'27 is very reasonable, total cap hit over 4 seasons averages $27m per year, never more than 13% of the total cap.
2028 is a different beast in that his cap hit balloons to $74m. And this is the first year that the packers could cut him and save cap space. It's also the year he would get a reworked deal if he's still our franchise QB because there's no way they can afford that cap hit then.
When you compare it to Tua's deal, Tua's is basically only a 2 year deal, as it would need to be reworked in 2026 because his cap number balloons to $69m. Miami could cut him then and save half that as well. So while the deals of the two look similar in totals, they're very different in reality. Love is a much longer term commitment.
Yes he’s been dinged here and there, but other than Mahomes who right now is better than him? It sure as shit isn’t Jordan Love.
We'll just have to see about that by New Years 2025. TimesFour never forgets!!!!
Wow, between the top 5 QB's from the 2020 NFL draft that's $1.25 billion in contract value. If these guys all live up to their deals this could go down as the best draft class ever.
If Burrow stays healthy (perhaps a big if) the Bengals will be right there with Kansas City.
If Love plays close to how he did end of last year the Packers absolutely can win the NFC.
Lots of what ifs but I’d rather be the Packers than a lot of other teams.
Can I say here I love Joe Burrow?? Only after Jordan, but I really have been impressed with him since he won the Heisman trophy. Hate him as an opponent, but love him as a human. 
Best corner my ass. It sure as shit isn't Jordan Love. Blah blah blah.
That's some first chair talk right there.
Jordan Love silenced all the haterspic.twitter.com/vAhZDMA1N5
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) July 27, 2024
It didn't take Jordan long to find his groove... 😊
Rasheed Walker struggled from game two to the middle of the season too, but really came on down the stretch.
It's always good for a QB to have a reliable LT.
@Tschmack posted:Burrow won a national championship.
That means exactly ....WHAT? In the NFL....
@Tschmack posted:and got his team to a Super Bowl already. He’s also the one guy that figured out a way to beat Mahomes and the Chiefs.
He did and congrats for getting his team to a Super Bowl. An excellent accomplishment.
I think there's a guy in Green Bay that figured out a way to beat the Chiefs too....maybe....IDK....on a Sunday Night, perhaps? Meh....I'm sure that was nothing.
Cincinnati & Burrow are probably the team to beat KC this year. Maybe the Jets....maybe the Bills? Maybe the Texans??
Bottom line. Packers paid FMV for Love. It's a good deal for both sides. If the hill you're dying on is "it was only 8 games" you don't know ball.
Just wait until the Niners have to pay Purdy $60M per.
Pretty good breakdown from Herman (it's actually about $48 million per).
Love was up and down the first half of last year, up for the last half. That is all we saw, however, the Packer brass has seen him every day for the last four years, that is what they are projecting his worth on, not just a half of a season.
@antooo posted:Rasheed Walker struggled from game two to the middle of the season too, but really came on down the stretch.
It's always good for a QB to have a reliable LT.
The whole offense needed time. All those 1st and 2nd year guys figuring their shit out. It was a whole team effort for how the offense looked in October vs January. Part of it was Love but there was so much more.
Jordan Love broke Jerry Jones. 😆
Nah, Jerry Jones was already broken.
Cap numbers (IE, the only thing that matters):
2024: 20m
2025: 30m
2026: 36m
2027: 42m
2028: 74m
2029: 35m (void)
2028 is the year for an extension or...we move on from Love to save a bunch of cap space. So he is locked in with us for at least 4 years. The other QB's like Goff and Tua are basically on 2 year deals that will need to be renegotiated again in short order.
And before we get it all twisted that a 42m cap in 2027 his is excessive, Rodgers cap hit for us last year for not being on the team was 40m. The dead money this year for losing Bakh, Jones, Savage, Douglas, etc is 49m and we're still currently 23m under the cap.
Should the worst happen and Love regresses and can't figure it out in 4 years, if we cut/trade him in '28 we will save 68m over the next 3 years in cap savings. The most dead cap he would count in a single year is 24m, which isn't much higher than Bakh's dead cap for us this year.
Seems like a really solid contract from Russ Ball.
Love's game came alive once he learned how to hit his catchers in stride. First half of the season he couldn't.
@Pikes Peak posted:Love was up and down the first half of last year, up for the last half. That is all we saw, however, the Packer brass has seen him every day for the last four years, that is what they are projecting his worth on, not just a half of a season.
People say "it was only half a season" but people are downplaying how great that second half was. Someone online did the math, took Love's last 11 games of the season and put it up against the best 11 games of each of Rodgers seasons.
There were only 5 seasons of Rodgers career where his best 11 games were better than Love last 11 games of last season. They were the "Run The Table" season and his 4 MVP seasons.
This is why Love got paid. You don't screw around when your QB is putting up historic MVP level numbers.
For a comparison, here's the cap numbers of a bunch of other QB's over the next 3 seasons:
Mahomes: 37m, 66m, 69m (172m)
Jackson: 32m, 44m, 75m (152m)
Goff: 27m, 33m, 70m (140m)
Allen: 30m, 43m, 64m (137m)
Burrow: 30m, 46m, 48m (124m)
Tua: 15m, 39m, 68m (122m)
Herbert: 19m, 37m, 46m (102m)
Love: 20m, 30m, 36m (86m)
Several of these guys (Mahomes, Jackson, Goff, Allen, Tua) will need restructure in two years, but from a cap standpoint we are much much better off than these other teams are with this new contract.
Saw his interview on NFL Network. I know we thought it couldn't happen with Rodgers and it didn't but what are the odds that Love can become a selfish, egotistical, petty, vindictive, goofy AF version of himself in about 10+ years?
@PackerHawk posted:Saw his interview on NFL Network. I know we thought it couldn't happen with Rodgers and it didn't but what are the odds that Love can become a selfish, egotistical, petty, vindictive, goofy AF version of himself in about 10+ years?
I’ll take 10+ years of great qb play, even if it comes with some odd behavior at the end. Toss in 2-3 Super Bowls and we’ll be extremely happy.
Oh hell yeah. Me too!! But I'm just trying to picture this soft spoken, humble dude becoming vilified. Can he remain that guy despite the fame and fortune?
