I don’t know how you’d subjectively count turnover-worthy plays but if Love has 8 ints then he has more than 8 turnover-worthy plays. He’s definitely thrown some questionable passes this season that weren’t intercepted but easily could have been.
Still, I wouldn’t trade Love for anybody but Mahomes. The other QBs mentioned have either reached their ceilings or they’re close. We still don’t know how good Love is going to be.
For instance.....on the play where Bo Melton slips....that is NOT a turnover worthy play even though he threw an INT.
You'd have to research their criteria and yes I'm sure it's subjective. It's just a data point. What's really impressive is Allen with 0 INT.
Then it sounds like Allen's receivers are better.
@Dr._Bob posted:Then it sounds like Allen's receivers are better.
Or Love has played against more guys like Xavier McKinney and fewer games against guys like Darnell Savage.
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@MichiganPacker2 posted:What you said about Jordan Love is the same thing you can say about Josh Allen prior to this year. Allen hasn't thrown an interception this year, but has a penchant for some Favrian moments in previous years.
I guess the way to frame this discussion, is that if the salaries and cap hits didn't matter, who would you trade Love for right now that would give the Packers a better chance to win this year? Mahomes is obvious. His competion is historical - will he end up being considered being the best QB of all time over Brady or Montana? Three other guys below Mahomes, but also on HOF trajectories are Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow. You'd probably trade Love for any of these 3 as well. After that, it gets murky.
Theringer does QB rankings on an updated basis (free to read and URL attached below), and they have Love as the 12th best QB in the league, but I don't see a clear benefit of many of these other guys ranked above him besides the 4 I mentioned.
These guys include Kyler Murray, CJ Stroud, and Matt Stafford. I thought in each of those games vs. the Packers this year, Love looked like the better QB during the game (especially considering Love improving physically from his knee injury). The other guys ranked above him are Herbert, Geno Smith, Prescott, and Rodgers. I'd take Love over Smith, Prescott, or the 2024 version of Rodgers 100 times out of 100. I don't think Herbert is that much better either.
Kyler Murray is just another guy, book out on Stroud.
It's easy to forget this is only Love's second year.
Yet he compares to top-tier QBs who have 5+ years of experience.
I think that says a lot about his talent level.
@Boris posted:Ok fair enough....
Just want to know who is IN your elite class? Outside of Mahomes.....Go!
Boris, I know others don’t consider Lamar Jackson elite but I do. I think he’s headed to the Pro Football HOF when it’s all said and done.
Josh Allen is definitely elite, I think his physical tools are some of the best the QB position has ever seen. You can probably count on one hand the number of guys in NFL history that had stronger arms than Favre and Rodgers in their primes. Allen is one of that handful. I really think he makes that team look way better than they really are.
Joe Burrow is pretty obvious. Maybe one thing you could hold against him, he’s taken a massive beating behind a mediocre O-Line. He’s often hurt, or playing hurt, that could hold him back in the future. That said, he clearly was elite in 2021 and 2022 and I think if he stays healthy will get back to that level.
I totally agree with those who say Dak Prescott is NOT elite. It certainly looks like Jordan Love is a notch better already and still has some upside.
Justin Herbert is funny. Everything points to an elite skill set, but for whatever reason it’s not translating into elevating his team. I can’t put him in the Burrow, Allen, Jackson tier and of course Mahomes is his own tier. Maybe he’s towards the top of the next tier?
Guys like Jarrett Goff and Jalen Hurts have accomplished more than Love and at this point in time are more proven. Could Love someday be better than both of them? His arm talent certainly appears to be more special but at present I’d say he lacks the consistency of Goff and the fantastic run skills of Hurts. He can get better than thos guys at some point possibly, but I can’t put him ahead of them yet.
Now CJ Stroud is an interesting case since we just saw him. I think he’s fantastic and has the upside to join the elite but sort of like Love he’s maybe not quite there yet. He is a couple years younger than Love so I think he’s got an incredibly bright future and he’s already borderline elite.
I’m probably forgetting some guys but off the top of my head, I think I’ve covered who I think might legitimately be better than Love. Love has some upside and maybe someday he’ll be better than many of the guys I mentioned, but he’s not there yet.
Guys like Jayden Daniels and maybe even the Bears QB have some great potential, too early to call either guy elite. Daniels running ability does look elite already and his passing skills are surprisingly advanced for a young guy.
Jordan Love says INTs are combination of making better reads, and better decisions under pressure. Asked him if they’re just cost of doing business with big plays. He’s not willing to accept the picks.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) October 23, 2024
“The big focus for us is to go a game on offense having 100% ball security.” pic.twitter.com/VkQmwRz1MN
At least two, possibly three of his interceptions have been a result of just good defensive plays, where a defender has unexpectedly come off another receiver in the area. I wonder if MLF is looking at the route construction, tendencies, or something Jordan is doing to tip the defense off as to where the ball is going. Just seems that on those plays the construct of the routes is supposed to take care of the defender to the point that Jordan isn't instructed to "read" him .... he isn't supposed to be there.
Like Jarrett Bush.
Oh no..... we're doomed....Colin loves him some J-Love.
"The question is, Jordan Love or C.J. Stroud — I'd take Jordan Love."
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) October 25, 2024
— @ColinCowherd is all in on Green Bay's QB pic.twitter.com/5sK0DzsnHv
A couple of thoughts:
For as conservative as the Packers medical staff is generally viewed, I'm not sure they're doing the right thing for Love.
I'm guessing they have determined his injury isn't subject to further damage if he plays and they can control the stability through the use of a brace, but it's clear his mobility is compromised.
I can't help but to think it was a factor in whatever happened to him yesterday.
I also wonder if the Packers had committed to a 4-week recovery period after week 1, would Love be much closer to healed to a point where he could play effectively.
It seems to me there was this 'rush' to get him back ASAP when there was not a reason to.
Given the fact that he was running around like he did in the Texans game I don't think the medical staff deserves any scrutiny here. Maybe the knee had something to do with the groin but guys get groin injuries all the time. The only game where he seemed limited before yesterday was the Vikings game.
I would venture to guess the heat and humidity played a part in the groin/hamstring issues that multiple players seemed to get. Hopefully, it was more "cramping" of the muscles than actual injury.
@Timmy! posted:
I also wonder if the Packers had committed to a 4-week recovery period after week 1, would Love be much closer to healed to a point where he could play effectively.
It seems to me there was this 'rush' to get him back ASAP when there was not a reason to.
Just tossing out weeks 5 & 6 (Cards & Texans) where Love looked like a league MVP? He was clearly healthy enough to play. He tweaked his knee/groin during the Jacksonville game. There wasn't a "rush" to get him back. He was healthy enough to play. You play when healthy.....unless you want Anthony Richardson as your QB?
IC told me that Arnold Palmer never had a groin injury. Reportedly he caused more than a few.
A mans man.
It'll be interesting to see if Love can play this Sunday
Jordan Love does not leave yards on the field but his WRs do drop a lot of passes (depending on who is counting the worst drop rate in the NFL).
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) November 7, 2024
Also … CJ Stroud pic.twitter.com/kl39DWR5v3
