@PA green & gold posted:Have you seen Carson Wenz play since 2018? He cratered in Philly and then Indy. Plus he’s a total head case. Malik Willis is better than him!
Sure he is…. Keep telling yourself that.
@lovepack posted:https://youtu.be/201nYmK01d4?si=qXCW7EqPOdh84fmk
Everyone needs to watch some of this. The kid has the arm and the legs to get it done. I just think he's a little intimidated at this level. He needs to realize he can play on Sundays.
FFS, he’s lobbing balls in the general direction of wide open NFL receivers facing insurance salesmen. The Clifford Cult is ridiculous. They’ve had two training camps with him and decided he wasn’t worth the backup spot after he was hot garbage this year. That’s not to say Willis is a savior, but they gave up a draft pick for him because they had so little faith in Clifford or Pratt.
It's Willis until Love returns, unless Malik gets hurt. Many have said, the next 3+ weeks is on LaFleur and Hafley. They have to get the absolute best out of their units.
@H5 posted:It's Willis until Love returns, unless Malik gets hurt. Many have said, the next 3+ weeks is on LaFleur and Hafley. They have to get the absolute best out of their units.
I'd like to add the highest paid ST's coach too
malik willis coming in for Jordan love last night pic.twitter.com/oQtcGkFyGv
— 𝓑𝓻𝓲𝓷𝓴 (@LandofAE) September 7, 2024
Good spot for this
It’s cool to see Jordan love being avg.
— Mike The Packers Owner (@MikeTheHump_) September 9, 2024
He looked way worse than avg on Friday.
If this is his low, he might be good https://t.co/qXk2v1gSwh
This feels about right for how Jordan Love played. He wasn't great (inconsistent) but he wasn't bad either.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) September 9, 2024
If you're the 10-12th best QB in a week playing a C game, it speaks to how good Love is. https://t.co/cjyMgkkVS1
We decided Kurt Warner wasn't worth the backup spot after watching him in practice too.
…and every sixth-round QB is the next Tom Brady.
It's 1 week boys.....Let's see where we are after 10 weeks
@H5 posted:It's Willis until Love returns, unless Malik gets hurt. Many have said, the next 3+ weeks is on LaFleur and Hafley. They have to get the absolute best out of their units.
Gutey as well as he created the backup QB situation.
@PackerHawk posted:Gutey as well as he created the backup QB situation.
Seneca Wallace isn't doing anything.
@Boris posted:Good spot for this
It’s cool to see Jordan love being avg.
— Mike The Packers Owner (@MikeTheHump_) September 9, 2024
He looked way worse than avg on Friday.
If this is his low, he might be good https://t.co/qXk2v1gSwhThis feels about right for how Jordan Love played. He wasn't great (inconsistent) but he wasn't bad either.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) September 9, 2024
If you're the 10-12th best QB in a week playing a C game, it speaks to how good Love is. https://t.co/cjyMgkkVS1
Summary: Love didn't play good, that means he is good.
Jesus, I hate the internet.
Jordan Love is tied for 2nd in the NFL with 12 passing touchdowns.
— Tyler Brooke (@TylerDBrooke) October 13, 2024
He missed two games. pic.twitter.com/PAxZ32zElx
6 weeks in, here is where we stand. This is the time where rankings become to hold some real weight
— Advanced QB Analytics (@AdvancedQBRank) October 15, 2024
📈 Jared Goff (up 6), Caleb Williams (up 5), Jordan Love (up 4). Basically, the NFC North 📈📈📈
📉 Dak Prescott (down 8), Daniel Jones (down 5), Andy Dalton (down 4) pic.twitter.com/2143QfnTg5
Laughing because Rodgers & Love are right next to each other in the rankings. LOL!
I'll take his gun slinger tendencies. More good than bad when he throws those darts.
Jordan Love is the fourth QB aged 25-or-younger with at least two TD passes in 9+ consecutive games in NFL history.
— Wendell Ferreira (@wendellfp) October 21, 2024
The other three: Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Patrick Mahomes.
He remains "cool as a cucumber" when the pressure is on.
He just needs to find the sweet spot between AR's extreme risk-aversion and Favre's propensity to be careless with the football.
@michiganjoe posted:He just needs to find the sweet spot between AR's extreme risk-aversion and Favre's propensity to be careless with the football.
I think he already has somewhat...maybe leaning a little more to the Favre side right now but I think (hope) he'll "fix that"
Favre won a SB with Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown, Sean Jones. The secondary wasn't bad either with Leroy Butler, Robinson, Newsome, and Evans.
He needs to limit the hero ball BS. It's fine, even necessary, if you are chasing points in the 4th quarter and it's 3rd n long. He is doing it way too often and at unnecessary times.
He's hunting explosive plays. Yes some bad ones can and will happen. The other guys get paid too.
He's building something special. Somewhere Ted Thompson is smiling down on Packerland
Jordan Love is the fifth quarterback since 1950 to throw multiple touchdown passes in at least 16 of his first 23 career regular-season starts, according to the Packers’ dope sheet. He joins Dan Marino, Kurt Warner, Patrick Mahomes and Tony Romo.
— Zachary Jacobson (@zacobson) October 22, 2024
I can't remember the details, but didn't Love say during the off-season that he was working on taking more risks and intentionally trying to fit the ball into tighter windows?
Yes he did. Also, decoding the mystery of double and triple coverages, and why your receiver is still open anyway.
I think MLF is OK with the aggressiveness in part because 12s perfection on turnover ratio came up short in some of those playoff games. All these weapons will only be here for so long and MLF is balancing the scales more towards full out atack mode.
Whether 10 figures out how to end up on the right side of the risk reward equation or not, it's going to be a wildly fun, hold your breath watch every time he fires the cannon.
Aaron was buttoned down discipline. Love is giving someone a chance come hell or highwater. He seems pretty unapologetically head strong about doing it his way with the full support of the coach. I imagine Tom Rossley is the bad cop to MLF's public good cop. Wherever the balance is I feel pretty good about the two of them helping Love find it. Love (or nearly any other QB that played professional football) doesn't have the consistent accuracy and precision 12 played with.
They have to let Love develop into the best version of himself. That they don't ever have to admonish him in public makes me think he takes their coaching pretty well in private. 10 is still getting seasoned. I think it's easier to learn from aggressive throws by going too far than not far enough. He's in the second go round with DCs specifically planning to stop what he does well and he's still doing a lot well. That's commendable.
@titmfatied posted:I imagine Tom (Rossley - days gone by) CLEMENTS is the bad cop to MLF's public good cop. Wherever the balance is I feel pretty good about the two of them helping Love find it. Love (or nearly any other QB that played professional football) doesn't have the consistent accuracy and precision 12 played with.
Jordan Love is a good QB. I say he is not elite YET. Can get there, but is not there. I just see too many inaccurate throws and poor decisions for me to put him in that elite class.
That said, that TD throw to Kraft was special and that was an elite throw to be sure. Throws like that make you think he can join that exceptional group of QBs.
Love ended 2023 (reg season) with 32 and 11. Through 7 games last year he had 8 INTs.
He's at 15 and 8 through 5 games so far this season. I could see him ending up with 45 and 15 on the year.
@PA green & gold posted:@titmfatied posted:I imagine Tom (Rossley - days gone by) CLEMENTS is the bad cop to MLF's public good cop.
LMAO!! I was totally confused for a sec there....
@fightphoe93 posted:Jordan Love is a good QB. I say he is not elite YET. Can get there, but is not there. I just see too many inaccurate throws and poor decisions for me to put him in that elite class.
Ok fair enough....
Just want to know who is IN your elite class? Outside of Mahomes.....Go!
@fightphoe93 posted:Jordan Love is a good QB. I say he is not elite YET. Can get there, but is not there. I just see too many inaccurate throws and poor decisions for me to put him in that elite class.
That said, that TD throw to Kraft was special and that was an elite throw to be sure. Throws like that make you think he can join that exceptional group of QBs.
What you said about Jordan Love is the same thing you can say about Josh Allen prior to this year. Allen hasn't thrown an interception this year, but has a penchant for some Favrian moments in previous years.
I guess the way to frame this discussion, is that if the salaries and cap hits didn't matter, who would you trade Love for right now that would give the Packers a better chance to win this year? Mahomes is obvious. His competion is historical - will he end up being considered being the best QB of all time over Brady or Montana? Three other guys below Mahomes, but also on HOF trajectories are Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow. You'd probably trade Love for any of these 3 as well. After that, it gets murky.
Theringer does QB rankings on an updated basis (free to read and URL attached below), and they have Love as the 12th best QB in the league, but I don't see a clear benefit of many of these other guys ranked above him besides the 4 I mentioned.
These guys include Kyler Murray, CJ Stroud, and Matt Stafford. I thought in each of those games vs. the Packers this year, Love looked like the better QB during the game (especially considering Love improving physically from his knee injury). The other guys ranked above him are Herbert, Geno Smith, Prescott, and Rodgers. I'd take Love over Smith, Prescott, or the 2024 version of Rodgers 100 times out of 100. I don't think Herbert is that much better either.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Three other guys below Mahomes, but also on HOF trajectories are Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow. You'd probably trade Love for any of these 3 as well. After that, it gets murky.
YOU might trade for Lamar Jackson....you can have him. I'll stick with Love. Lamar sucks when he faces a good defense in the playoffs.
Allen & Burrow.... we'd be in about the same spot so no harm, no foul..... I'd put in Justin Herbert too. Did you watch the game vs. the Cardinals on Monday Night?! That dude had Aaron effing Rodgers pinpoint accuracy and beautiful throws and his receivers couldn't catch them.
The fact the Ringers list has CJ Stroud and Dak above Love makes me laugh - you can have BOTH of them, Love is flat out better.
He is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Favre reading a defense or did they not watch him vs. Dallas last year or even on the TD throw to Kraft.
A couple of Love's INT's were tipped balls and Bo Melton falling down on a perfect throw. That's part of the risk reward.
Like Lombardi said....."3 things can happen when you throw....and 2 of em are bad!"😆
Other than Mahomes.....
Burrow, Allen, Herbert would keep the Pack in the same spot. Any other QB and we might not have the same record. Don't discount or take for granted what we are watching at Packer QB right now.
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I believe Malik Willis is undefeated this season.
@Boris posted:YOU might trade for Lamar Jackson....you can have him. I'll stick with Love. Lamar sucks when he faces a good defense in the playoffs.
He is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Favre reading a defense or did they not watch him vs. Dallas last year or even on the TD throw to Kraft.
A couple of Love's INT's were tipped balls and Bo Melton falling down on a perfect throw. That's part of the risk reward.
Like Lombardi said....."3 things can happen when you throw....and 2 of em are bad!"😆
Other than Mahomes.....
Burrow, Allen, Herbert would keep the Pack in the same spot. Any other QB and we might not have the same record. Don't discount or take for granted what we are watching at Packer QB right now.
This won't be a popular take, but I think that Jackson could be the most overrated player in the NFL right now. Yes, he puts up huge stats in the regular season but when he has to throw the ball to win I am not sure I would trust him.
Running QBs great if you are in front of another team but when he has to drop back, read defenses, and throw the ball against good defenses to win I think he is very average.
I agree Boris, that we should really enjoy a QB who is truly developing in to something special right before our eyes. And really enjoy that it has to drive the Bores and Spremheads fans crazy.