Breaking Amish?
Is Favre being welcomed back into the family after being "shunned"? I wonder how this will fly overall. Has enough time passed and is Favre ready to eat some humble pie? I guess time will tell.
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You're becoming less and less relevant. Stick with what you know. Nothing.
Just about everything Murphy says or does is money driven. He knows there are enough ball washers that will love this and pour money into Murphy's pockets. I get it but don't agree with it at all. I still think the wound is open.
I don't want Favre in GB until he's willing to be a Packer. What's the point of bringing him back in the fold if he doesn't want to be? I'm not saying he has move to GB and do tons of public appearances, but he hasn't done anything since retiring from the Vikings that indicates he supports or even likes the Packers. Passive aggressive insults wrapped in compliments don't count as support either. Why should the fans accept him back when really he doesn't seem to care about coming back? He doesn't have to apologize for his behavior and I would support his return/enshrinement if he acted more like Leroy Butler and less like Ryan Longwell.
FAR too soon, but someday... maybe.
I remember reading quite a while back that Forrest Gregg wasn't invited to reunions until something like 15 years had passed, because they didn't want him (or anyone) subjected to the boos they expected to hear. Don't know if that's true, but it makes sense that there would likely be far too many to ignore this time around.
Did anyone else hear anything like that about Forrest?
I remember reading quite a while back that Forrest Gregg wasn't invited to reunions until something like 15 years had passed, because they didn't want him (or anyone) subjected to the boos they expected to hear. Don't know if that's true, but it makes sense that there would likely be far too many to ignore this time around.
Did anyone else hear anything like that about Forrest?
I was as pissed at Favre as anybody and gleefully rooted against him in Minnesota, but frankly I think the pendulum has swung too far the other direction at this point. You can be critical but you can't ignore everything he did for this organization. He was one of three people that absolutely pulled this team out of the dregs (Wolf, Holmgren, Favre...could include White too, but without Favre there is no White). Actually I think it's silly that Favre is not in the banner at the top of this page. If you want to believe all these guys are choir-boys that play for the love of the game/Packers go for it, but it's simply not true.
Think of it this way...is there any way you could tell the complete history of the Green Bay Packers without including a fairly lengthy section on Favre? It doesn't begin or end with him, but it's in there. The Packers will take the high road (again) and invite him back in the very near future, I'm sure of it.
Think of it this way...is there any way you could tell the complete history of the Green Bay Packers without including a fairly lengthy section on Favre? It doesn't begin or end with him, but it's in there. The Packers will take the high road (again) and invite him back in the very near future, I'm sure of it.
Not until I'm in the grave. In 2008 he made it all about him & not about the team.
At some point I may forgive, but I assure you, I'll never forget.
It's still too soon.
At some point I may forgive, but I assure you, I'll never forget.
It's still too soon.
Maybe it is time for Murphy to go.
Fair to say the Packers' organization did a lot for him too.
Kramer, thank you for changing the avatar.
quote:Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Kramer, thank you for changing the avatar.
Yeah, needed to be done...wasn't helping my argument.
quote:Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Fair to say the Packers' organization did a lot for him too.
No doubt. But I would venture to guess that over the last 20 years the Packers as a team have made a LOT more money off the Brett Favre brand then Favre ever made in his career. But they certainly gave him a long leash.
What can I say...I'm just not a grudge-holder. I know it's not a popular opinion on this board. Doesn't mean I like what he did on his way out, I just think there were a lot of good times to remember too.
Is it me or is this what Murphy had said the past few years when this question comes up? Nothing really new here as far as I'm concerned. The Packers are saying all the right things to sound PC, but I seriously doubt anything happens for a while if at all.
This does remind me though of a funny story I never mentioned that is sort of related...a few year back me and a couple friend drove out to Cooperstown,NY for the Hall of Fame weekend. If you're a baseball fan of any sort I would recommend it only because you have so much accessibility that weekend to some of the great players in the history of the game. We're eating lunch and we see a shop that has Pete Rose signing autographs in it an me an a friend decide to get one. My thought was think whatever you want of the guy but he's the all time hits leader and it would be cool to meet him and get an autograph. For whatever reason the owner lets us in through the back door where the signing is coming to an end and we are the last people to meet him. Pete Rose's buddy who is there asks me where Im from and when I tell him WI he asks me what I think of the Favre fiasco and him playing for MN. When I tell him Favre can play wherever he wants but that it pisses me off that he'd play in MN, Pete Rose goes into this profanity laden rant about Favre being able to do whatever he wants and how "that guy" (TT) in Green Bay should be on his hands and knees begging for forgiveness because Favre put that franchise back on the map. He started making parallels to his career and Mike Schmidt's career in Philly and how there's no loyalty in sports. You should have heard the guy. All of the fbombs flying out of his mouth sure made a first impression on me especially with kids around. I admit that I backed down as I was sort of shocked and intimidated in being in a Favre debate with Pete Rose, but looking back on it I still sort of laugh.
This does remind me though of a funny story I never mentioned that is sort of related...a few year back me and a couple friend drove out to Cooperstown,NY for the Hall of Fame weekend. If you're a baseball fan of any sort I would recommend it only because you have so much accessibility that weekend to some of the great players in the history of the game. We're eating lunch and we see a shop that has Pete Rose signing autographs in it an me an a friend decide to get one. My thought was think whatever you want of the guy but he's the all time hits leader and it would be cool to meet him and get an autograph. For whatever reason the owner lets us in through the back door where the signing is coming to an end and we are the last people to meet him. Pete Rose's buddy who is there asks me where Im from and when I tell him WI he asks me what I think of the Favre fiasco and him playing for MN. When I tell him Favre can play wherever he wants but that it pisses me off that he'd play in MN, Pete Rose goes into this profanity laden rant about Favre being able to do whatever he wants and how "that guy" (TT) in Green Bay should be on his hands and knees begging for forgiveness because Favre put that franchise back on the map. He started making parallels to his career and Mike Schmidt's career in Philly and how there's no loyalty in sports. You should have heard the guy. All of the fbombs flying out of his mouth sure made a first impression on me especially with kids around. I admit that I backed down as I was sort of shocked and intimidated in being in a Favre debate with Pete Rose, but looking back on it I still sort of laugh.
There is no higher honor than having a narcissist cheating arsehole as a proponent, great job bert.
Oh and Pete, Ray Fosse & I both think you're a douchebag.
Oh and Pete, Ray Fosse & I both think you're a douchebag.
Only traitor-loving crass dolts like rose want anything to do with Pevre.
The idea MM is floating around with him going on the Tailgate Tour would make sense from Murphy's standpoint in trying to ease him back in. In that venue, Favre would be dealing with a small contigency of fans and MM could gauge fan reaction from him being there.
I don't think Murphy is dumb enough to bring him back at a huge venue such as a game at Lambeau (even a pre-season one) just yet. IMO you'd be looking at at least 1/2 the crowd booing his ass, about a 1/4th sitting on their hands in silence, and perhaps as many as a 1/4th golf clapping/cheering.
That's not the image they want and that kind of reaction would get a lot of media response and create yet another distraction.
Somebody suggested doing an invite-only jersey retirement ceramony for him somewhere down the line. Fans wanting to attend would pay a nominal ticket fee and could see the ceramony take place. Lambeau was initially floated but honestly I don't think that many Favre fans would go. Maybe the atrium ala Donald Driver.
Just 7 years ago? Lambeau would have sold out in minutes. Speaks to how badly he screwed himself over with the best fans in sports.
I don't think Murphy is dumb enough to bring him back at a huge venue such as a game at Lambeau (even a pre-season one) just yet. IMO you'd be looking at at least 1/2 the crowd booing his ass, about a 1/4th sitting on their hands in silence, and perhaps as many as a 1/4th golf clapping/cheering.
That's not the image they want and that kind of reaction would get a lot of media response and create yet another distraction.
Somebody suggested doing an invite-only jersey retirement ceramony for him somewhere down the line. Fans wanting to attend would pay a nominal ticket fee and could see the ceramony take place. Lambeau was initially floated but honestly I don't think that many Favre fans would go. Maybe the atrium ala Donald Driver.
Just 7 years ago? Lambeau would have sold out in minutes. Speaks to how badly he screwed himself over with the best fans in sports.
quote:Originally posted by kramer:
I was as pissed at Favre as anybody and gleefully rooted against him in Minnesota, but frankly I think the pendulum has swung too far the other direction at this point. You can be critical but you can't ignore everything he did for this organization. He was one of three people that absolutely pulled this team out of the dregs (Wolf, Holmgren, Favre...could include White too, but without Favre there is no White). Actually I think it's silly that Favre is not in the banner at the top of this page. If you want to believe all these guys are choir-boys that play for the love of the game/Packers go for it, but it's simply not true.
Think of it this way...is there any way you could tell the complete history of the Green Bay Packers without including a fairly lengthy section on Favre? It doesn't begin or end with him, but it's in there. The Packers will take the high road (again) and invite him back in the very near future, I'm sure of it.
Then you weren't paying attention. Harlan, Wolf and Holmgren put together the resurrection of this franchise. Leaving the team is one thing, leaving the team like that POS did is another and more proof you don't have a clue.
Not a fan of Murphy. Yes Bert helped win a Super Bowl but IMO he is very over-rated and cost us a lot more titles than he won. Playoff choker who should be remembered as a Viking as the MO fits. Complete a-hole as well. GB should never "make up" with this self centered prick.
Murphy can bring him on a tailgate tour to Minnesota and stay there.
Favre didn't put the franchise back on the map (single-handedly). I'd say it was more Wolf & Holmgren & Reggie White in particular.
Favre was simply the trigger man that Holmgren reined in. Wolf hiring Holmgren was pure genius & Wolf went & got the strong armed QB & the clubhouse leader in Reggie White. Reggie White was more instrumental in putting Green Bay back on the map as a player than Favre ever was.
Yes we had a lot of memorable times with Favre at QB.
Rose is right. Favre can play where-ever he wants but trying to dis the organization that made him a household name burned up all the goodwill he earned over the years. Hey Rose....Favre should be bowing down & kissing the ground of Lambeau Field because I'm certain if you put him in NY (or any other large market) his career would've lasted 5 years or less & he flames out.
Eff Rose, & Eff Favre. 2 self-serving, narcissistic divas if I've ever seen/heard one.
Favre was simply the trigger man that Holmgren reined in. Wolf hiring Holmgren was pure genius & Wolf went & got the strong armed QB & the clubhouse leader in Reggie White. Reggie White was more instrumental in putting Green Bay back on the map as a player than Favre ever was.
Yes we had a lot of memorable times with Favre at QB.
Rose is right. Favre can play where-ever he wants but trying to dis the organization that made him a household name burned up all the goodwill he earned over the years. Hey Rose....Favre should be bowing down & kissing the ground of Lambeau Field because I'm certain if you put him in NY (or any other large market) his career would've lasted 5 years or less & he flames out.
Eff Rose, & Eff Favre. 2 self-serving, narcissistic divas if I've ever seen/heard one.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Murphy can bring him on a tailgate tour to Minnesota and stay there.
There's only one "tailgate tour" I want to see bert in...
It's all a moot point IMHO, as Bert is not coming back for anything Packer related until after TT's gone. As I see it thats still a few years or more away. So regardless of my personal opinion towards Bert, which is softening a bit, it's nothing to think will happen any time soon.
How about your loyalty to the game Pete? ****ing idiot.
quote:Originally posted by kramer:
I was as pissed at Favre as anybody and gleefully rooted against him in Minnesota, but frankly I think the pendulum has swung too far the other direction at this point. You can be critical but you can't ignore everything he did for this organization. He was one of three people that absolutely pulled this team out of the dregs (Wolf, Holmgren, Favre...could include White too, but without Favre there is no White). Actually I think it's silly that Favre is not in the banner at the top of this page. If you want to believe all these guys are choir-boys that play for the love of the game/Packers go for it, but it's simply not true.
Think of it this way...is there any way you could tell the complete history of the Green Bay Packers without including a fairly lengthy section on Favre? It doesn't begin or end with him, but it's in there. The Packers will take the high road (again) and invite him back in the very near future, I'm sure of it.
I hope it happens sooner than later. Each year the wounds heal a little more and it becomes less of a big deal. How fun would it be to have this ceremony this season?
quote:Originally posted by DurangoDoug:
It's all a moot point IMHO, as Bert is not coming back for anything Packer related until after TT's gone. As I see it thats still a few years or more away. So regardless of my personal opinion towards Bert, which is softening a bit, it's nothing to think will happen any time soon.
This. I want someone to try and convince me that Favre really has any desire to make amends with the Packers and their fans. I haven't really seen an evidence of this, and there within is another problem with him.
I will say this though, think what you want of him, the guy does garner A TON of interest and opinions from Packer fans. Whether it be praise or hatred, the comments are always through the roof. Look at threads on x4. Let's see how many pages this one goes. Not saying its right or wrong, just that the debates are never ending. The guy sure split apart a fan base. Eff him.
Far as I'm concerned. Retire his number and get him out the door so he can be forgotten. You want your ceremony Murphy? Have it and then shut the **** up.
Lord Farve on a bus tour?!?!
surely you jest. Lords don't ride coach.
a sure way to have him on greta's show again.
"Yeah, Greta, it was surreal. First they kick me out of Green Bay and then when they want to make amends they ask me to go on a bus tour?!?! A bus?!?! Surreal. Next they'll probably ask me to drive Ted to the airport. What, am I a chauffeur or something? Screw Green Bay."
surely you jest. Lords don't ride coach.
a sure way to have him on greta's show again.
"Yeah, Greta, it was surreal. First they kick me out of Green Bay and then when they want to make amends they ask me to go on a bus tour?!?! A bus?!?! Surreal. Next they'll probably ask me to drive Ted to the airport. What, am I a chauffeur or something? Screw Green Bay."
I have no idea why anybody gets fired up about this. He's a top 5 Packer. Was part of bringing the Super Bowl back to Green Bay. Gave us tons of excitement for X number of years. Left amidst a bunch of drama and wanted to play for our least favorite team. The Pack won a title and he threw another playoff pass that doomed our least favorite team after he left.
It couldn't have worked out any better.
Bring him back with open arms!
It couldn't have worked out any better.
Bring him back with open arms!
quote:I have no idea
you coulda stopped there
quote:I have no idea why anybody gets fired up about this. He's a top 5 Packer. Was part of bringing the Super Bowl back to Green Bay. Gave us tons of excitement for X number of years. Left amidst a bunch of drama and wanted to play forour leastmy favorite team. The Pack won a title and he threw another playoff pass that doomedour leastmy favorite team after he left.
ftfy
Favre the narcissist used to spend hours on the interwebs reading about himself... I'd bet he is very aware of the chatter going on (good and bad) from fans about him.
Murphy on the other hand seems to be clueless as to the negativity still toward Favre from many fans. The mix packerboi noted would be there for the tailgate tour or in the stadium - any booing for a former icon would be bad press for the organization. Also, I think there'd be more than a few Packers fans who'd pay for the right to vocalize their disgust with him in an invite-only ceremony.
When he owns his part in the sh!tstorm of 2008 and honestly supports the team (I agree with GD's post) then, maybe, he would not get booed.
Murphy on the other hand seems to be clueless as to the negativity still toward Favre from many fans. The mix packerboi noted would be there for the tailgate tour or in the stadium - any booing for a former icon would be bad press for the organization. Also, I think there'd be more than a few Packers fans who'd pay for the right to vocalize their disgust with him in an invite-only ceremony.
When he owns his part in the sh!tstorm of 2008 and honestly supports the team (I agree with GD's post) then, maybe, he would not get booed.
Wonder when Buffalo will welcome their fallen star back into the organization
they are leaving no stone unturned in their search for the real killers
If Favre and the Packer Organization (i.e. Ted and Co.) truly can make amends, then I'm all for him coming back in the fold. If they can't, then obviously, he'll have to bide his time until all the wounds have been healed.
Personally, I am "over" my Favre hatred and can appreciate the good times he brought for 15 years. That said, what he did in 2008 and beyond was very personal and calculated sabotage to some of those Packer front office guys and I totally understand if they never want Favre back in the fold as long as they are around.
Personally, I am "over" my Favre hatred and can appreciate the good times he brought for 15 years. That said, what he did in 2008 and beyond was very personal and calculated sabotage to some of those Packer front office guys and I totally understand if they never want Favre back in the fold as long as they are around.