Latest Update on 2020-21 Season

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

The most enjoyable non-Bucks team of the last 20 years for me was the pre-Durant Warriors. They won a title and almost repeated (with a 73 win regular season) with their top 4 players being guys they drafted (Curry, Klay, Draymond, and H. Barnes).  As good as Durant is, I think you lose a lot as a fan going from a team "that paid its dues" to a glorified AAU team which is what happened when Durant came on.

I totally agree with you on this.  In fact I'd say watching the Warriors of 2014-15 got my interest in the NBA back to the level it was at back in the 1980s when the Bucks were strong and the NBA was an ascending league.  The incredible teamwork and skill that Warriors team had and the fact that it was something that had been developed and not bought was what made that 2015 team something special to watch. 

Once Durant was there, it made them a team to root against and not really admire.  Don't get me wrong, I don't blame them for signing him because they got 2 more rings out of it, but it completely changed the dynamics of that team.  Honestly, I don't even know if Durant came out of that whole situation very happy he did it even though got 2 rings.

@Tschmack posted:

If you think about the Lakers, as much as I hate them they are a legacy franchise and set the bar for all other teams not named Boston.  But they took the easy path and whored themselves out to become relevant again.  I mean, I get why the Clippers did it and why Brooklyn is doing it.  They have no legacy so might as well try to buy one.  But that approach is short sided and cheapens your success IMO.

The Lakers did not draft Wilt, Kareem, or Shaq. Their “legacy” stands on 3 players- West, Magic and Kobe. West couldn’t beat the Celtics (he didn’t break through until ‘71-72 when they had a washed up Chamberlain and Baylor to add to prime Gail Goodrich to beat the Knicks- West was 33). Magic never won a ring without Kareem.

Kobe is the only one who won a Championship without another generational superstar when he won 2 with Paul Gasol and Lamar Odom.

The Lakers get a lot of credit for their 80s dominance, but they sucked in the 70s after West retired and in the 90s after Magic retired. The Shaq Lakers sucked until Kobe was in his 3rd season in ‘99-00, and by ‘04-05 Shaq was gone. Kobe didn’t break through again until ‘08-09.

Fuck the Lakers and their “legacy”...

@fightphoe93 posted:

I totally agree with you on this.  In fact I'd say watching the Warriors of 2014-15 got my interest in the NBA back to the level it was at back in the 1980s when the Bucks were strong and the NBA was an ascending league.  The incredible teamwork and skill that Warriors team had and the fact that it was something that had been developed and not bought was what made that 2015 team something special to watch.

💯 on this. Their style of basketball and the awe of watching Curry and Thompson go unconscious is some of the most enjoyable basketball I have ever watched. I was never a huge Jordan fan- never liked the “give him the ball and watch him shoot 30 times/night” style of play. If you think about it, Jordan’s greatness ruined basketball for a decade, watching players “be like Mike” gave birth to the 77-73 games in the 90s... uhhg, what an ugly era of basketball. Hakeem was always my favorite player growing up.

The pre-Durant Warriors were the best thing to happen to basketball since Jordan’s era. Hated the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, respected the Duncan Spurs; hated the Boston big 3 (both of them); loved the Sacramento and Phoenix teams of the 2000s. Loved the Dirk Mavs. Despised the Heatles...

Sure would love to add that “Giannis Bucks” era to the list of great and fun teams to watch...

When I talk of the Lakers, and their greatness, I’m mostly referring to the Showtime era.  While I never really cared for that team, I did like Magic and their style of play.

I wasn’t around to watch George Mikan or Elgin Baylor or Jerry West and honestly the Minneapolis Lakers years shouldn’t count anyway. And yes I’ll always hold a grudge against that team because of the Kareem deal.  Ugh.

I absolutely hated the Shaq and Kobe teams.  I may hate the AD and LeBron team(s) even more.  Probably because I never really viewed them as a team. They surely didn’t seem to play like one. It’s one or two guys and they hog the ball and the headlines and their front running fans and the national media eat it up.  Fuck that.

The Hakeem Rockets teams, Duncan Spurs teams, Reggie Miller Pacers teams, those were the ones I enjoyed following.  Pacers and Rockets also because I hated those 90s Knicks teams with a passion.  The only thing better than seeing the Knicks suck is seeing the Yankees or Cowboys suck.

Like most, I didn’t care for Jordan and the Bulls but it was mostly because MJ was so damn good and during their heyday everyone else was playing for second place.  

Golden State is interesting because they did it mostly through the homegrown approach and the run and gun style was just so much fun to watch.   Kind of like those STL Rams teams with Bruce and Holt and Warner.  

Needless to say, I liked GS all the way up until Durant joined them.  I really didn’t understand why he would have left OKC because that was also a fun team to watch and like the Bucks play in a small market.  And those OKC teams were really good.   Until he wanted to get an easy title or two.  

@Tschmack posted:

Needless to say, I liked GS all the way up until Durant joined them.  I really didn’t understand why he would have left OKC because that was also a fun team to watch and like the Bucks play in a small market.  And those OKC teams were really good.   Until he wanted to get an easy title or two.  

The OKC situation is more nuanced than just Durant wanted out to win titles elsewhere. The beginning of the downfall of OKC was when they traded Harden for a package that the only decent output from ended up being Steven Adams.

This article captures it well. OKC did not want to pay the luxury tax, so instead of offering Harden 60 million over 4 years they offered 54 million over 4 years. Harden was willing to stay in OKC as a 6th man, but if he was going to sacrifice his stats he wanted to be paid the max (seems entirely reasonable). OKC wouldn't budge and moved on from him, trading off a team that had just made the Finals with 3 future MVPs along with a perennial all-Defensive player (Ibaka) that were all under 23 years old. Clay Bennett, who is worth at least 400 million dollars, wouldn't pay Harden an extra 1.5 million a year (which with luxury taxes included amounted to another 6 million a year total). That Durant/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka team probably rules the Western conference for the last decade if they keep them together. But the owner cheaped out. You understand why Durant was more likely to move on after that. In the end, they traded Harden for Kevin Martin, Steven Adams, Mitch McGary, and Jeremy Lamb.

https://bleacherreport.com/art...2460%20million%20max.

The Thunder get Chris Paul for Westbrook and have an exciting team to watch that makes the playoffs this year and then turns around and trades Chris Paul for a bunch of draft picks and Stevan Adams for George Hill and some draft picks. In the end, OKC ends up with 17 first-round picks in the next 6 drafts. What a message for their fan base. "We once drafted 3 Hall of Famers and another All-star level player in a short time period that loved playing together. However, we didn't want to pay them too much so we traded them instead of making multiple finals runs. Now, after all the dust has settled, we have all these future draft picks so we can try to draft new guys that even if we draft well are never going to be as good as the guys we had in 2012."

This is the whole point of Giannis making the Bucks front office commit to going into the luxury tax. The biggest mistake the Bucks made wasn't anything this off-season or even moving on from Brogdon. It was not signing Brogdon last year and structuring the deal so they after they moved him they could use that salary slot to bring in a player to replace him. Instead, they considered him a "luxury" and traded him for a draft pick they knew was going to be in the mid-20s in a crappy draft class. It was all about saving money.

The OKC team without Harden took a 3-1 lead on Golden State only to melt down completely and give it away.   That was a really good team and no reason to believe they couldn’t have contended for years to come.   Then Durant bails and they basically decided to burn it all down.  

It is an interesting scenario that you mentioned about James Harden.  In retrospect, it seems silly that they let him walk for peanuts.  It actually reminded me a lot of the Brewers letting Paul Molitor leave.  Only difference is Harden hasn’t won a title (yet) like Molitor did with Toronto.

If you are OKC they are banking on maybe hitting on a few of those picks.   But I still think if they had to do it all over again they would have preferred to keep their core group intact.

Bucks 1st half schedule now released

They will be tested right away having to play at Boston in the opener, then less than a week later a back to back in Miami.  Things ease up a until mid January then it’s Dallas at home, at Brooklyn, and the LAL at home.  February brings a 6 game roadie including games at Denver, Phoenix, and Utah.  Later in the month it’s Pelicans, Clippers, Denver, and Memphis.

I also count 6 of the dreaded back to back games, although only one of those 6 BTB is in different cities.  

15 of 37 of their games will be nationally televised including 6 on ABC or ESPN.  

@Tschmack posted:

The OKC team without Harden took a 3-1 lead on Golden State only to melt down completely and give it away.   That was a really good team and no reason to believe they couldn’t have contended for years to come.   Then Durant bails and they basically decided to burn it all down.  

It is an interesting scenario that you mentioned about James Harden.  In retrospect, it seems silly that they let him walk for peanuts.  It actually reminded me a lot of the Brewers letting Paul Molitor leave.  Only difference is Harden hasn’t won a title (yet) like Molitor did with Toronto.

If you are OKC they are banking on maybe hitting on a few of those picks.   But I still think if they had to do it all over again they would have preferred to keep their core group intact.

Klay Thompson going nuclear in the 4th quarter of Game 6 of that series completely changed the NBA landscape for years.

https://www.theringer.com/2017...s-oklah-b45345315b4c

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

Klay Thompson going nuclear in the 4th quarter of Game 6 of that series completely changed the NBA landscape for years.

https://www.theringer.com/2017...s-oklah-b45345315b4c

I watched that game from Ft Jackson billeting visiting my son while he was in AIT. Jaw dropping... and the roar was deafening in that arena.

Did Giannis sign today? He tweeted a picture of himself behind the wheel of his car with a shit eating grin on his face 2 hours ago..........

https://www.jsonline.com/story...act-news/3840578001/

He's probably made his decision, whatever it may be.

Since tomorrow is his birthday, that’s very likely what he’s doing (signing the extension). He always has a reason he does shit.

Translated from the Greek in his interview with Eurohoops:

“I will not stop playing until I get what I want to achieve. I want to win a medal; I want to win an NBA championship. I may continue until I am 45. I am not in hurry, I will be here.  I think that day by day in order to get to the next level and reach the point I want to, I have to improve my shooting ability, my free throws, and that will happen. Because I am putting in a lot of work and I believe in myself.

And day by day it will come…”

Another article today trying to link Giannis and the Lakers.

JFC man please sign the max so the rumor mill can take a break!

@Tschmack posted:

Another article today trying to link Giannis and the Lakers.

JFC man please sign the max so the rumor mill can take a break!

More importantly, so that his teammates and coaches can talk about something else in their press conferences.

So far, it hasn't been a huge issue with only a short press conference for Middeton and Bud, but it would get old fast going through weeks of this.

@Music City posted:

If you think about it, Jordan’s greatness ruined basketball for a decade, watching players “be like Mike” gave birth to the 77-73 games in the 90s... uhhg, what an ugly era of basketball. Hakeem was always my favorite player growing up.

The pre-Durant Warriors were the best thing to happen to basketball since Jordan’s era. Hated the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, respected the Duncan Spurs; hated the Boston big 3 (both of them); loved the Sacramento and Phoenix teams of the 2000s. Loved the Dirk Mavs. Despised the Heatles...

Sure would love to add that “Giannis Bucks” era to the list of great and fun teams to watch...

I agree with you that the '90s got to be pretty ugly there at times.  I thought the low point was 1994.  I remember that Knicks team that won the East that year, they were just physical bullies that were low on skill for a team that ended up in the Finals.  They got away with a lot of jersey grabbing and just using their huge physical bodies to bludgeon you.

They were trying to be like the late '80s Pistons only with much less pure skill than those Pistons team had.  I thought the late '80s Pistons had some likeability to them, I didn't see anything about those Knicks teams to like other than Pat Ewing.  At least the Knicks didn't win a title doing what they did or it might have been even worse in terms of setting the "Be Physical" trend.

The other thing about the '90s NBA that sucked was the fact that the Bucks completely fell apart after 1990-1991.  I had partial season tickets in the mid '90s and it got to the point that we dreaded going to the games they were so awful. 

There wasn't much to like about the NBA '90s style, but it was interesting to see Jordan develop into this legendary figure during that time.  He was the real deal.  I'd rather watch the '90s Bulls than the '00s Lakers or '10s Heat or any of Lebron's "bought" teams.   

Giannis will not be appearing for Bucks' media today, so there is likely no birthday signing announcement. This is starting to worry me at this point.

Middleton said that he got Giannis a pen for his birthday today and hopes he uses it soon. It's funny, but it's also a message from his teammates to get this over with.

If it’s December 20th I’ll get concerned

I hope and wish he’s just picking his spot

@Tschmack posted:

If it’s December 20th I’ll get concerned

I hope and wish he’s just picking his spot

There is literally nothing that waiting accomplishes now. All the other guys have signed contracts, so there is no advantage in the Bucks having inside knowledge. They need to get in sync with a bunch of new guys in the rotation and this is a huge distraction.

No disagreement from me

Every day that passes is another distraction.  Hope it happens soon as the preseason starts in like a week.

@Tschmack posted:

No disagreement from me

Every day that passes is another distraction.  Hope it happens soon as the preseason starts in like a week.

It also sends the message that he's not sure if his teammates are good enough to win with. That's not a good statement to your locker room.

I've changed my opinion on this, because after what we've seen the last month in terms of a media feeding frenzy I think you have to trade him if he doesn't extend (not even the supermax, just extending for 2+ and option would be fine). 

I really don’t think it comes to that. He’s playing at something, but I don’t know at this stage what it is. That’ll probably get revealed at some point.

I think he’s just taking his time. He has 2 more weeks to sign it. He may have wanted some time back “home” and then sone time ahead of training camp before he made the deal. Maybe he wants to be sure the new marriage with Holiday needs to be vetted. Maybe he wanted to meet everyone they just brought in first. He just got back from Greece a week ago. Giannis isn’t one to be impulsive...

It’ll be a media feeding frenzy if the December 21 date comes and passes and he doesn’t sign it.  That’s for damn sure.  

It’s possible maybe they are structuring a different extension other than the Supermax??   Something that could allow him to opt out sooner as 5 years is a long time.  

The 2+1 option... yeah, it’s possible. It would get him to the end of Middleton’s deal.

But if he signs the full Supermax, they’ll need to be looking at the future, too. If they extend Holiday with a max, he’ll be 35. Giannis will be 32, ready for a re-load to finish his career. The Bucks will be looking for a new “supporting cast” at that stage.

And if you look at what 5 years of title contention did to the Warriors, you see the attrition: Durant, Thompson, Green... they all  succumbed to the wear and tear. Even Curry.

LeBron’s probably greatest talent is his ability to play at the level he’s been at and not get hurt. Maybe this is his year. I strongly think AD doesn’t last the season...

@Tschmack posted:

Meanwhile, the Bucks fly under the radar and add a guy like Holiday.   I’d argue it’s the single most important and significant acquisition in this offseason even if the media wants to ignore or downplay it and talk about Bogdanovic or tampering instead.  There’s no way Milwaukee makes that move if they didn’t think Giannis would stay.  And now it appears he or his camp we’re screwing with the big boys in the process.   The cherry on top would be extending Holiday and winning a couple of titles all while giving the rest of the league a big middle finger during the process.  It’s entirely possible given LeBron’s age and uncertainty with the Clippers and Klay injury which all throws a wrench in their long term plans to rule the league.  Milwaukee could step right in and fill that vacuum for next half decade.

I have to say, I'm sort of amazed at the level of commentary on the forum.  I really enjoy reading what you all have to say and I think the level of thought you put into these posts is remarkable.  Thanks for posting!  I'll keep reading and maybe at some point I'll have something to contribute!  Keep up the good work!

@Music City posted:

The 2+1 option... yeah, it’s possible. It would get him to the end of Middleton’s deal.

But if he signs the full Supermax, they’ll need to be looking at the future, too. If they extend Holiday with a max, he’ll be 35. Giannis will be 32, ready for a re-load to finish his career. The Bucks will be looking for a new “supporting cast” at that stage.

And if you look at what 5 years of title contention did to the Warriors, you see the attrition: Durant, Thompson, Green... they all  succumbed to the wear and tear. Even Curry.

LeBron’s probably greatest talent is his ability to play at the level he’s been at and not get hurt. Maybe this is his year. I strongly think AD doesn’t last the season...

Who knows where the world will be in 6 years, but I would think the NBA will want to expand internationally within the next decade. I could see them putting a team in Paris or London (or maybe even part of a division with several teams) in Europe at some point. The ideal situation for the NBA would be for Giannis to win a title somewhere in the next 5 years and when the super-max runs out go join one of these European teams. He could be the bridge that establishes the international (not counting Toronto and Vancouver earlier) nature of the NBA.

Before you say that the travel times are too long, it takes about the same amount of time to fly from Boston, New York, Philly, or DC to Paris or London as it does to fly from those same places to Los Angeles.

Right, but Paris to LA would be a real drag....

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

Before you say that the travel times are too long, it takes about the same amount of time to fly from Boston, New York, Philly, or DC to Paris or London as it does to fly from those same places to Los Angeles.

It’s an interesting proposition. I am betting the NBA would love to have separate US and a EU leagues. They’ve been kicking the tires on this for 2 decades- EU is really close to being ready for this. They could put teams in Moscow, Madrid, Barcelona, Athens, Tel Aviv, Vilnius, Milan, Ljubljana, Istanbul, Ankara, Paris, Berlin, Munich, Belgrade, and Podgorica, right now. Hell, they could put multiple teams in Spain, Russia, and Turkey.

The NBA is so enamored with China because it wouldn’t be a threat to lose players. If Giannis could play in Greece versus WI, he’d play in Greece. I’m sure most of the EU players would.

@Music City posted:

It’s an interesting proposition. I am betting the NBA would love to have separate US and a EU leagues. They’ve been kicking the tires on this for 2 decades- EU is really close to being ready for this. They could put teams in Moscow, Madrid, Barcelona, Athens, Tel Aviv, Vilnius, Milan, Ljubljana, Istanbul, Ankara, Paris, Berlin, Munich, Belgrade, and Podgorica, right now. Hell, they could put multiple teams in Spain, Russia, and Turkey.

The NBA is so enamored with China because it wouldn’t be a threat to lose players. If Giannis could play in Greece versus WI, he’d play in Greece. I’m sure most of the EU players would.

I'd like to see them start the experiment by inviting the best European teams to come over and play in the playoffs. You could combine it with the play-in concepts they loved this year to get some extra revenue  Have the 7th and 8th seeds play two Euro teams in a 3 game series. You know that's what these games in Europe are leading to. Eventually, you could set up that EU league you are talking about and schedule it like the NFL does for AFC-NFC so that once out of every few years each team in an NBA division does a Euro-tour to play 8-10 games there as part of regular season play (and have the Euro teams reciprocate). I would think the players association would be all for this to get another 150 players to play in the NBA with even an extra 10 teams.

The Bucks are now teasing on social media they are going to show some training camp footage.

https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1336465127978176512

Zach Lowe also reporting the Bucks have been completely silent on any news the last two weeks.

The fact that the Bucks haven't provided any access to Giannis for the media isn't something you would do if you are trying to get people to buy season tickets. And I think season ticket holders have a deadline before Giannis decides.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

The fact that the Bucks haven't provided any access to Giannis for the media isn't something you would do if you are trying to get people to buy season tickets. And I think season ticket holders have a deadline before Giannis decides.

Are they even selling season tickets? They’re not planning on crowds until playoffs earliest. They can see them all season at that rate.

@Music City posted:

Are they even selling season tickets? They’re not planning on crowds until playoffs earliest. They can see them all season at that rate.

I saw someone on twitter complaining about it. I'll look for it.

@Music City posted:

Are they even selling season tickets? They’re not planning on crowds until playoffs earliest. They can see them all season at that rate.

I just found it. It has to do with a decision on whether to apply the season ticket money they've paid in for this year they won't be able to use to reservec 2021-22 tickets.

Giannis was made available to address the media after practice today and...

mentioned he's not focused on his contract. Some of the media on the call are commenting that he's clearly uncomfortable.

From Kane PIttman:

Giannis Antetokounmpo on supermax extension: "Right now, I'm not focused on that." Says his agent is in discussions with Jon Horst and the Bucks while he is focusing on getting better on the court.

It's possible that he's negotiating an extension that's different than the 5 year supermax, but this process is not that hard. The process starts with the Bucks  saying "Giannis, this is the maximum amount of years and money we can offer you which is 80 million more than anyone else can give you. If you want a different type of contract extension, what do you want."

If Giannis even says he'd like to add a single year to take him through the end of the 2021-22 season, the Bucks say yes.

Of course, if he has decided not to make a decision until after this season, he could say that now. That would make this season an absolute media circus every game. ESPN would devote an entire channel to covering it. There would probably be film every time he goes to a restaurant in a city followed by speculation of how much he likes the culture/food/weather in the city the Bucks will be playing in.

Another quote:

Giannis asked what's preventing him from ending speculation regarding the contract situation since the max deal can't change. "it's a big decision. I just try to focus on what I can do. This is not in my hands. The discussion is between my agent, Jon Horst, and Bucks' ownership"

What a cop-out. This is entirely his decision.

I think he's gone after this year and wants the buffer of the "negotiations" between his agent and Jon Horst to eventually blame for not getting this done.

Well, the rumor mill seems to be gaining steam the last 24 hours.

Saw a proposal sending James Harden to Milwaukee and Middleton and Kevin Love to Houston and Cleveland receives Eric Gordon, Lopez, DDV, Pat C and PJ Tucker.

Saw another proposal of Ben Simmons to Milwaukee and the Sixers get Middleton, DDV, and a couple of picks.

Of course, it’s all pure bullshit speculation cooked up in someones basement while playing NBA2K21 but it’s fun nonetheless.

As for Giannis himself, there is absolutely no upside to him or the team to not sign the Supermax or some other type of extension.  Failure to do will create major distractions for himself and the team.  This has been a good partnership for him and the Bucks but quite frankly if he doesn’t sign then you really have to consider trading him.  Loyalty is a two way street.  

I just hope that this is more about some other type of extension or longer term agreement parameters and not him playing out the year without extending.  I mean, if he’s bent out of shape about the Bogdanovic thing then he’s not the person we thought anyway.  

Yeeesh, deflecting to his agent is a really bad look.

Well, and what does not signing an extension give him?  He can’t be offered more money by the Bucks or any other team.  The only thing it gets him is freedom of movement.  But if that’s the case, then sign 2+1 or 3+1.  It’s not like the Bucks would say no to that.  

I can’t imagine how difficult this season will be with all of the “will he stay or go” banter and that doesn’t enhance your opportunity to win a title this year.  You just made things a lot harder and it’s not exactly like he’s risen above the pressure in the postseason. It’ll be magnified 5x that with all the speculation.

If you are the Bucks you absolutely cannot let him walk for nothing.  So something has to give.

I hope Tschmack is right and this is about him wanting to sign a 1+1 or a 2+1 intstead of the SuperMax and the Bucks wanting to get him to commit to 5 years. That makes sense from the perspective of both sides and gives them a 2 or 3 year window to see how this goes.

However, the most obvious explanation in all this is that he's decided he wants out but doesn't want to take the PR hit associated with saying that publicly.  If he knew he was coming back for sure as of now, he could just say I am going to be in Milwaukee for at least a few more years and we are just trying to work out the details.  He avoided even saying that.  If the "agent and the Bucks" can't come to a deal (which is usually player speak for he doesn't want to stay), then if the Bucks trade him Giannis will try to say that he wasn't the one that asked to be traded. He'll try to blame the Bucks for the situation.

If this is where this is going, then Giannis really fucked over the Bucks. It's possible he told them over the summer that he wanted out and the Bucks have been desperately doing all this to try to keep him. That would suck, but that would be the Bucks own fault. If he indicated he would like to stay (which is what he's said in the media) and then bails, he's really irreversibly damaged basketball in Milwaukee. Is anyone going to be excited about paying big dollars to watch an aging Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez battle to win 25 games in 2022-23? That's what will be left. At least if they've had moved him a month ago, they would have had a bidding war and ended up with something like Adebayo and Herro or a bunch of assets. Now it's going to be potentially Giannis telling them he's signing with someone he has picked and that if the Bucks want anything they'll be forced to accept pennies on the dollar for him. That's exactly what the Raptors, Mavs, or any other team would arrange with him if there is tampering going on.

If he leaves without getting something decent back for him, the Bucks have no chance to be competitive until the end of this decade. Jrue Holiday can leave after this year as an unrestricted free agent. They've either traded away outright or have pick swap options attached to all of their first-round picks until 2028.

https://www.prosportstransacti...des/Future/Bucks.htm

What a mess. If this is where this is going, I wonder who "got" to him.

As someone said above, I can't believe this "change" is all due to Bogdanovic not being here. If you had to choose between Holiday and Bogdanovic, every GM in the league (and anyone that follows the NBA with any interest) would make the choice the Bucks made.

Another quick comment. Did any Bucks' fans like us ever think that within a few months to a year Giannis could be returning to Milwaukee as a visiting player and get booed unmercifully by the Fiserv crowd? That's where this may end up.