Pretty awesome move. I'm becoming a fan of the man
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He’s not a bum - unlike what he called a certain someone else
I hated it when he took his tallants to South Beach, but he’s made amends and it sounds like he gives back to the community
I wish that more than athletes and entertainers would participate in these kinds of philanthropy. I don’t begrudge James’ money, but he SHOULD be doing things like this.
It would be nice if more of the ultra rich set invested into their communities. Not gave back- invested.
Bill Gates does, so does Zuckerberg. Lots of "regular" folks do too. I know of a CEO that gives 50% of his salary toward philanthropic work & invests a ton of his time & money int he community.
You never hear about it because they're just "regular people" unlike Le'Bron or Rodgers or any other sports/rock stars
Agreed- and that’s why we shouldn’t be doing hero worship for James.
BTW, read that the charter school is a $2M investment for James, but an $8M investment for the community. Hmmm... it’s great to spend some $$$ and get a pretty sweet tax write-off, but another $8M in the local tax payer is probably not worth all the bending over to cup LeBron’s James...
But it is not new tax dollars, only a transfer of dollars. If his efforts keep kids in school, if they can become employable workers, keep off the streets, not doing crime it will be a win for everybody. Go cup that.
Makes a great case for charter schools, doesn’t it?
Don't you have some Rachel Maddow to catch? Deutsch Bank...
Not really, charter schools get to pick the students they want....public schools have to take every student. Charter schools pick the top potential students, not so much the public schools, they get everyone.
You probably won't believe this M C but I helped start a charter school. I have also worked with Joe Nathan, one of the nations best countries charter schools authorities. Also people from LaCrosse who started the School of Arts and Technologies (SOTA) . So don't try to tell me about charter schools.
Music City posted:I wish that more than athletes and entertainers would participate in these kinds of philanthropy. I don’t begrudge James’ money, but he SHOULD be doing things like this.
How much money are you donating to philanthropic causes per year?
Surely it must be a significant amount given your demands how others (well at least a rich black man which I’m sure is simply a weird coincidence and not at all indicative of the abject racism of an angry disappointing white man) SHOULD spend their money?
ammo posted:You probably won't believe this M C but I helped start a charter school. I have also worked with Joe Nathan, one of the nations best countries charter schools authorities. Also people from LaCrosse who started the School of Arts and Technologies (SOTA) . So don't try to tell me about charter schools.
Don’t try to tell you what? That voucher programs and charter schools might be better alternatives than the corrupt cronie system of general public schools?
It’ll be interesting to watch how the Akron public school system does running and managing Lebron’s new PR crown jewel. It’ll be all Daisy’s and candy hearts to start I’m sure... but public schools run by public unions are going to become corrupt- it’s inevitable.
Will Lebron’s $$$ make them immune? And if so how do you repeat that in say, Chicago, or Detroit. We know punishing taxpayers and fist pounding for more tax revenue is an abject failure.
Music City posted:Don't you have some Rachel Maddow to catch?
Well done comrade!
CAPackFan95 posted:(well at least a rich black man which I’m sure is simply a weird coincidence and not at all indicative of the abject racism of an angry disappointing white man)
Your race obsessed intersectional bull**** doesn’t work on me, asshole. I don’t deify rich guys who toss some scraps from their tax sheltered “foundations” for convenient good PR. That goes for all rich folks. He’s helping some kids... good. More should do it.
It’s interesting you’re concerned about my contributions to philanthropic causes. I don’t have enough of Lebron $$$ to start my own tax shelter foundation. I do however have a well earned DD214, as will both of my older sons from my minority wife. You could call that philanthropy paid in blood, not dollar bills- and I didn’t get a tax break. You’re welcome, asshole...
Except you were paid and later subsidized by the largest socialist project in the history of planet earth and I'm pretty sure you weren't bleeding anywhere in Okinawa in the 90's. How about you and your ilk quit being a tax burden on hard working Americans.
You authoritarian militarist "hero" types. When you take a **** do you stick a little flag in it and salute as you flush? What a heroic bowel movement.
x4 and that crossover feed. Just keeps on giving.
Music City posted:Makes a great case for charter schools, doesn’t it?
Lebron's school isn't a charter school,
Charter schools don't really have a great case unless you are Betsy DeVos
Music City posted:.Don’t try to tell you what? That voucher programs and charter schools might be better alternatives than the corrupt cronie system of general public schools?
It might be, just like beer and cheetos might make a really good diet.
It's all about how I feel about beer, not what the evidence says.
Music City posted:We know punishing taxpayers and fist pounding for more tax revenue is an abject failure.
Is more tax revenue an abject failure even when those tax revenues are used exclusively to fund your chosen career, and then subsidize you and your family’s life after you leave that career?
Music City posted:Your race obsessed intersectional bull**** doesn’t work on me, asshole.
I don’t deify rich guys who toss some scraps from their tax sheltered “foundations” for convenient good PR. That goes for all rich folks. He’s helping some kids... good. More should do it.
It’s interesting you’re concerned about my contributions to philanthropic causes. I don’t have enough of Lebron $$$ to start my own tax shelter foundation. I do however have a well earned DD214, as will both of my older sons from my minority wife. You could call that philanthropy paid in blood, not dollar bills- and I didn’t get a tax break. You’re welcome, asshole...
So, confirming that you do not in fact donate to philanthropic causes but feel you can tell others that they should.
And that more should help kids - just not you.
Interesting Ammo, I remember Joe Nathan back when I was in college. I worked at the Humphrey Institute as a peon aide, and always found Mr. Nathan to be a very nice man. MC, you're comments help to reassure me why public teachers can benefit from the union. In my experiences, the union did not run the school, they simply tried to give the teachers a voice. I think it has been a well-propagated myth that these public unions can snap their fingers and get whatever they want. In our district, our union worked together with our school board for fair settlements (well, up until Act 10), and funny it never seemed to be heading on the path of corruption. Did they participate too much in politics for my liking? Sure, but they also did more to improve the quality of teaching and of getting rid of poor educators than you are likely to read about.
As to your comment about the corrupt crony system of public education, I will assume that you are talking about the "inability" of schools to get rid of poor teachers. I can tell you that, at least here in Wisconsin, schools can get rid of poor teachers, but they generally do not. Why? Maybe it has to do with the shrinking pool of incoming teachers that have realized that the wages and benefits are now not worth the headaches of the job, which include continuous message board posts calling them out as the scourge of society. Until our society starts to value teachers again (in the pocketbook), getting rid of "bad" teachers won't make a difference if there aren't enough "good" ones to replace them with.
Henry posted:Except you were paid and later subsidized by the largest socialist project in the history of planet earth and I'm pretty sure you weren't bleeding anywhere in Okinawa in the 90's. How about you and your ilk quit being a tax burden on hard working Americans.
You authoritarian militarist "hero" types. When you take a **** do you stick a little flag in it and salute as you flush? What a heroic bowel movement.
x4 and that crossover feed. Just keeps on giving.
True colors being shown right there. My ilk... lol! Let me tell you about my ilk...
I am thankful I am not a combat veteran. Thankful to God that I did not have to experience the horror of war. That said, my duty was to be ready if it came. And though I look at you as a piece of human debris, I was ready to fight for you too. I know many who have. That’s my ilk- proud to have served a nation that defends even you ungrateful pieces of crap.
And paid? Lol- I served in the Bill Clinton administration. Soldiers were on welfare serving active duty. Fine socialist system... 
CAPackFan95 posted:Music City posted:We know punishing taxpayers and fist pounding for more tax revenue is an abject failure.
Is more tax revenue an abject failure even when those tax revenues are used exclusively to fund your chosen career, and then subsidize you and your family’s life after you leave that career?
Music City posted:Your race obsessed intersectional bull**** doesn’t work on me, asshole.
I don’t deify rich guys who toss some scraps from their tax sheltered “foundations” for convenient good PR. That goes for all rich folks. He’s helping some kids... good. More should do it.
It’s interesting you’re concerned about my contributions to philanthropic causes. I don’t have enough of Lebron $$$ to start my own tax shelter foundation. I do however have a well earned DD214, as will both of my older sons from my minority wife. You could call that philanthropy paid in blood, not dollar bills- and I didn’t get a tax break. You’re welcome, asshole...
So, confirming that you do not in fact donate to philanthropic causes but feel you can tell others that they should.
And that more should help kids - just not you.
If time is money, then I’m a heavy contributor. Coaching, volunteering... done it all.
If raising sons with values and drive to be positive contributors to the world they live is money, I’m a heavy contributor. Been doing that for 20+ years, still more to go.
i feel just fine about my contributions. But when my net worth is near $1B like King James, you bet I’ll get all kinds of money for programs I believe in.
"get" or "give"? I'm hoping that is a typo.
"I’ll get all kinds of money for programs I believe in. " sounds like Trump university ripping people off.
"I’ll give all kinds of money for programs I believe in. " sounds like Lebron's promise school.
stiffler posted:Interesting Ammo, I remember Joe Nathan back when I was in college. I worked at the Humphrey Institute as a peon aide, and always found Mr. Nathan to be a very nice man. MC, you're comments help to reassure me why public teachers can benefit from the union. In my experiences, the union did not run the school, they simply tried to give the teachers a voice. I think it has been a well-propagated myth that these public unions can snap their fingers and get whatever they want. In our district, our union worked together with our school board for fair settlements (well, up until Act 10), and funny it never seemed to be heading on the path of corruption. Did they participate too much in politics for my liking? Sure, but they also did more to improve the quality of teaching and of getting rid of poor educators than you are likely to read about.
As to your comment about the corrupt crony system of public education, I will assume that you are talking about the "inability" of schools to get rid of poor teachers. I can tell you that, at least here in Wisconsin, schools can get rid of poor teachers, but they generally do not. Why? Maybe it has to do with the shrinking pool of incoming teachers that have realized that the wages and benefits are now not worth the headaches of the job, which include continuous message board posts calling them out as the scourge of society. Until our society starts to value teachers again (in the pocketbook), getting rid of "bad" teachers won't make a difference if there aren't enough "good" ones to replace them with.
As a teacher in CA, I concur. We have a voice, but I've seen so many teachers at schools I worked at fired by administrators who did the paperwork so it held up. The rest of the propaganda is just crap from people who want to "privatize" education to get their hands on a pile of money.
stiffler posted:MC, you're comments help to reassure me why public teachers can benefit from the union. In my experiences, the union did not run the school, they simply tried to give the teachers a voice. I think it has been a well-propagated myth that these public unions can snap their fingers and get whatever they want. In our district, our union worked together with our school board for fair settlements (well, up until Act 10), and funny it never seemed to be heading on the path of corruption. Did they participate too much in politics for my liking? Sure, but they also did more to improve the quality of teaching and of getting rid of poor educators than you are likely to read about.
As to your comment about the corrupt crony system of public education, I will assume that you are talking about the "inability" of schools to get rid of poor teachers. I can tell you that, at least here in Wisconsin, schools can get rid of poor teachers, but they generally do not. Why? Maybe it has to do with the shrinking pool of incoming teachers that have realized that the wages and benefits are now not worth the headaches of the job, which include continuous message board posts calling them out as the scourge of society. Until our society starts to value teachers again (in the pocketbook), getting rid of "bad" teachers won't make a difference if there aren't enough "good" ones to replace them with.
Well, I’m willing to call some middle ground, sure. Teachers should be paid a market level of salary and I’m fine with that. But I would like something more of a meritocracy- unions should not protect bad teachers or low skill level teachers, regardless of tenure. STEM teachers? Pay em. IT, physics, history, Econ? Sure. Gym teachers? No. And if you’re a crap teacher, you don’t get paid. The cronyism is too expensive to justify the automatic big budget increases I have to pay for every year. And administrators? No... you don’t get to get paid like you work for a Fortune 500 company. $300K salaries with taxpayer funded pensions to boot? Excessive, unsustainable and wrong.
But maybe I’m also jaded by IL... it’s so corrupt down here it’s sickening.
True for my union also, if folks were in the wrong and management followed the negotiated steps they were disciplined. Saw it go both ways in my 40 years of membership. Our union reps only made sure management followed the rules and if they did and the member was in the wrong, so be it.
I think what Lebron did is a good thing.
I think you'd have to be an idiot to be unhappy with what Lebron did
Music City posted:But I would like something more of a meritocracy- unions should not protect bad cops or low skill level cops, regardless of tenure. And if you’re a crap cop, you don’t get paid.
So, you must feel the same animus about cops and paying for their salaries, since they have unions that engage in all of the same things you ascribe as being negative with teachers. I'd have pegged you as blue lives matter guy myself.
The more you know!
Music City posted:And administrators? No... you don’t get to get paid like you work for a Fortune 500 company.
Why the deification of a middle management lackey at a F500 company such that they can be paid whatever the market will bear and the hatred of a school district administrator who should be limited to a number that pleases, well, I guess, you?
Music City posted:$300K salaries with taxpayer funded pensions to boot? Excessive, unsustainable and wrong.
So if $300K is "excessive, unsustainable, and wrong" for someone in the educational system, how much of a haircut would you personally give Paul Chryst, who is currently making like $3.2M. Would $10K per game, so like $120K with an additional $10K for any game beyond the regular season feel fair to you?
Followup: What other professions would you like to limit earnings potential on?
Followup to the followup: Why do you hate capitalism and the free market?
Music City posted:.
If time is money Coaching,
M C brags about his coaching then villifies phy ed teachers. I don't know of any phy ed teachers who are not coaches in multiple sports. And i bet they earn less than minimum wage while doing it.
And what do you use to determine what a crap teacher is? Standardized tests? Student and parent opinions? Admin evaluations?
My experience tells me there are way, way more bad parents than bad teachers. This is anecdotal from family and friends involved in education. Both Teachers and admin.
I'm no idiot. As far as I know.
Possible poll question.
ammo posted:M C brags about his coaching then villifies phy ed teachers. I don't know of any phy ed teachers who are not coaches in multiple sports. And i bet they earn less than minimum wage while doing it.
And what do you use to determine what a crap teacher is? Standardized tests? Student and parent opinions? Admin evaluations?
Not in IL, dip****- tenured physical education teacher in my town makes $157K. Coaches the football team. I don’t think my tax dollars are well spent here. If he was a physics teacher I wouldn’t say a word- but you don’t even need an education to teach gym class. Not really, anyway.
CAPackFan95 posted:So if $300K is "excessive, unsustainable, and wrong" for someone in the educational system, how much of a haircut would you personally give Paul Chryst, who is currently making like $3.2M. Would $10K per game, so like $120K with an additional $10K for any game beyond the regular season feel fair to you?
Followup: What other professions would you like to limit earnings potential on?
Followup to the followup: Why do you hate capitalism and the free market?
If tax dollars are paying the salary, the pension, and the fat bennies, it ain’t free market. And they certainly shouldn’t be using union dues to kick back to representatives to ensure they continue to bankrupt their state. See: IL, and CA, among others
I know a lot of teachers. None of them are rich, but they do get blamed for bankrupting states.
I don't know many really wealthy people, but they do seem to keep getting richer.
Really one of the coolest narratives out there that your friends and neighbors who are doing what the can to get by are the ones costing our nation.
There is clearly corruption in education (or, name your public service), but the narrative that "they" are bankrupting your state is pretty convenient for folks profiting millions more as slight of hand.
I'm not a teacher, but I do think it is OK if the folks teaching my kids are getting quality wages for work that requires significant training, time and energy. I sure wouldn't encourage my kids to get into education though (daughter wants to be a teacher) because holy **** is it popular to **** on teachers right now.
Music City posted:but you don’t even need an education to teach gym class. Not really, anyway.
Since you seem to know so much about teaching and what it requires and that it is so easy, why aren't you teaching phy ed and making that $157,000?
Music City posted:If tax dollars are paying the salary, the pension, and the fat bennies, it ain’t free market. And they certainly shouldn’t be using union dues to kick back to representatives to ensure they continue to bankrupt their state. See: IL, and CA, among others
So you pulled this part of my comment and didn't even answer ANY of it. (And conveniently ignoring discussing your obvious hatred of police which are ruled by dirty corrupt unions as well)
So, I'll ask again.
So if $300K is "excessive, unsustainable, and wrong" for someone in the educational system, how much of a haircut would you personally give Paul Chryst, who is currently making like $3.2M. Would $10K per game, so like $120K with an additional $10K for any game beyond the regular season feel fair to you? (EDIT - It's not like he's a physics teacher or something)
Followup: What other professions would you like to limit earnings potential on?
Followup to the followup: Why do you hate capitalism and the free market? (sorry, regardless of your parroting of talking points your twitter heroes and TV pundits tell you, collective bargaining is most certainly part of the free market.)
And, let's add another one: According to this leftist blog I read called *checks notes* "The Wall Street Journal", California has a $6.1B surplus. Can you please explain how that equates to being bankrupt? Granted I don't have a Masters in Economics, but "SURPLUS" seems like the exact opposite of "BANKRUPT".
ammo posted:Music City posted:but you don’t even need an education to teach gym class. Not really, anyway.
Since you seem to know so much about teaching and what it requires and that it is so easy, why aren't you teaching phy ed and making that $157,000?
If teaching were as profitable and easily corrupted as the GOP would have you believe, they'd have all gotten into teaching instead.
I am pro teachers and pro that they should be paid well but if true 157,000 seems a bit high. And if true that certainly is not said teachers fault.
Music City posted:Not in IL, dip****- tenured physical education teacher in my town makes $157K. Coaches the football team. I don’t think my tax dollars are well spent here. If he was a physics teacher I wouldn’t say a word- but you don’t even need an education to teach gym class. Not really, anyway.
The education knower has spoken!
I mean, just look at these "requirements", it's like "Do you have a face? You can be a teacher!"
How to become a PE Teacher in Illinois.
Step 1: All applicants who wish to teach physical education in Illinois public schools must hold at least a bachelor’s degree that includes a teacher preparation component.
Step 2: Pass Illinois PE Teacher Licensure Examinations
Step 3: Register and Update Your Illinois Teacher License
Step 4: Add Physical Education and Grade-Level Endorsements