Letroy Guion arrested on Marijuana possession & carrying firearm

I wanted to be more apathetic, but it seemed like a lot of work

Your new Delta House pledge name is....

Eddie would approve this message but he just passed out in mountain of Funyons.

So, nobody has responded to the major point here.    

Fine you don't trust Law Enforcement to the degree that I do.   But are you really telling me you believe the word of a guy who got busted with 3/4 pound of weed and a gun in his car over Law Enforcement?

As far as I know, Letroy isn't claiming it was planted on him. 

funyons are alright, but I tried some Bugles this weekend.... B-A-R-F

Being in possession of weed doesn't make you liar

Being in possession of a registered gun doesn't make you a liar or a criminal

Being a cop doesn't make you the Official arbiter of Truth nor does it preclude you from being a liar or a criminal

The only thing we know for sure... is that the bears still suck

Believe him about what?  The current state of migratory swallows and the correlation to low flying cranes due to weather patterns?

I believe Guion was busted with a bunch of weed, money and a licensed gun.  The judge sorted everything else out.  His character is what you're questioning and I can safely say that he's probably a scumbag.  I can also say that about a good chunk of law enforcment.  

Where's the misunderstanding here?

Every cop is a criminal

And all the sinners saints

Jagger/Richards

Just call me Lucifer

Cause I'm in need of some restraint

Wilde was on the radio this AM and he said he thought something was up with this story as he was sent (unsolicited) information and police reports from someone in FL, essentially begging him to write this story. Wasn’t absolving Guion, just commenting on the origin of the story, called it "hinky".

When I think of the Starke police, I keep seeing this.

Yet, Guion is not without guilt.

Lots o vikings fans in FL.  They say they move there to escape the mosquitos.

BrainDed???????

Color me Sympathetic.

Brian Bulaga is Packer People.  I am not writing to dis Guion, but there are some real good people here.  Yesterday my 10-year-old son received an Duke football autographed by Brian Bulaga.  My son is recovering from leukemia, and the husband of the Make-a-Wish charity volunteer with Bulaga's brother in Chicago.  Somehow his brother was kind enough to get him the football.  He was thrilled with the gift, as he is a fan of Bulaga- my other son happens to attend Iowa, Bryan's alma mater.

We are looking at a full recovery from leukemia, he is back playing soccer, etc.  The people at Make-a-Wish and the Bulagas make it all the sweeter.

Chitown, my thoughts with you and your family. He sounds like a tough little man.

Thanks, Goalline, he is tough.  It looks like the worst is behind us.  He is a big-time Packer fan, and knows most players jersey numbers.

Great news about your son....good luck in the future.  But I have to ask, how does the Duke football play in this scenario!

All the best to you and your family, especially your son, Chitown! Great to hear!

Pikes Peak,  the Duke is the name brand of the football.  I don't think it has anything to do with Duke University.

"The Duke" was named for football legend Wellington "Duke" Mara. It is from Wilson and is the official ball of the NFL. 

I don't think Mark Murphy, Ted Thompson, or Mike McCarthy are going to be inviting Bob McGinn to any Christmas parties anytime soon. 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...933z1-339139291.html

McGinn seems to be taking this personally.... the word "me" appearing 6 words into his article.  He might as well be just another poster on a discussion board. 

I'd like to give serious consideration to his points, but then I read this:

...The majority of fans think the Packers can do no wrong, or at the very least deserve the benefit of every doubt. The team's decision-makers are well aware of this, and thus are able to make whatever moves they want confident they will be supported in the court of public opinion and by the largely benign media corps in Wisconsin...

Does a professional sportswriter/reporter in 2015 actually believe the team gives considerations to what their fan base thinks about roster decisions before making them? 

It removes any credence to anything he writes.

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and by the largely benign media corps in Wisconsin...

What McGinn says is not a surprise. He acts like he is saying something that is not pretty much common knowledge. This whole thing could have been written about any team at almost any point in time.

This whole, the Packers are better (morally) than other teams/organizations, is a standard that is not real. It is fans wanting to be superior to the fans of other teams and laughing at the problems other teams have.

I think that the Packers manage these these things relatively fine, but the fan/Bob McGinn's expectations of this organization that is above things like this is crazy. I've heard people on the radio talking about it and I think it is more a projection of the fans than the organization saying "We are better than everyone else."

I think this is much ado about no much. Maybe not nothing exactly, but Bob is kind of being a Richard.

I had no idea you were a sports writer.

You forgot to add completely unfunny.  

As has been stated here ad nauseam McGinn's job is to write opinion pieces and this one is no different. I think it is spot on. The org does know they can now push the envelope with these turds because they have established this rep and have kept their house clean. They've earned it. And this work has created a 'holy than thou' view by a major majority of the fan base and you can see an example right here. The Pack knows they can get away with taking character risks while a team like the Vikings who have had some many character issues know they now cannot and if they do, can expect the media and fan base to let them have it.

He's not wrong.  If the **** with Cohen happened I'd write a hit piece, which is straight facts, as well. 

I would have no problem at all if they jettisoned Guion and Quarles.  They are ****bags.

This is my interpretation of "Packer way" or "Packer People".  It's players that will fit into the overall vision of the team.   Meaning they accept the concept of the team, how they will earn their contracts fairly and not pull a Chancellor or Bennett demanding contracts and dividing the locker room.  It's not some kumbaya bull****, it's guys that will buy into the program.  I think the organization rules with a iron fist.  Anybody thinking a NFL locker room isn't filled with some of the most arrogant jackasses is ****ing fooling themselves.

I also believe that the Packers are dabbling with some ****bags here and there due to talent level AS LONG AS THEY BUY IN.  Overall the concept of winning as a collective whole without a roster chock full of superstars is the mentality.  But I can also see how the pressure of getting over the top after a series of horrible, ****ty, ****ing disgusting playoff losses is tempting when looking at adding talent.  Guion and Quarles aren't ****ing world beaters but they come cheap.

With all that said I firmly believe there is a element of altruism mixed in with the business end of things.  When you have a highly successful organization ANYONE would think they can get guys into the right environment and iron them out some.  They are looking for the proverbial win win situation.  I think the element is do they believe these players assimilate and buy into organization and in doing so get themselves straight.  I think this is born out with guys like Jolly and Koren Robinson, who more than anything had addiction problems.  Guion, he's just a POS and needs to be gone.

The biggest difference here in relationship to scumbag organizations like the Seahawks or Dallas or Oakland, the thugs don't run the locker room or hold the organization hostage.  You don't see walking pieces of human filth yelling at coaches on the sidelines and then having the coaches and ownership cover for them.  You don't see a division in the locker room over your Messiah complex QB and your **** yapping RB.  I personally believe the Packers organization is more rigid than most believe and this may have been part of Gerg's "cult" sour grapes comments.  But the point is that Gerg was obviously starting to reach that level where he would not be an effective piece in the machine anymore.   

Multiple levels of human engineering here where the business and the dogma mix but also come into conflict.  I, as a fan, personally like how this organization is run and it mirrors other top organizations.  There's more to it than "draft and develop" or "Packer People".  I don't kid myself about what they are doing or need to do when it comes to players but I also believe the very structure of the organization weeds out or at least contains the level of bad behavior and POS mentality that is prevalent in other poorly run organizations.  

When I look at the Spermheads I see Zimmer as trying to install a solid core mentality but that won't stop Spielman from drafting ****head morons.  That's the difference, the Packers organization is from top to bottom on the same page.  

I think McGinn was being generous about the Packers organization being embarrassed about what Rob Davis did.  They should be.  

Outstanding post, Henry.

Agree with chickenboy's points as well.

Both environments described can exist at the same time.

The Packers understand their market well. I look at them bringing in long-time local talent like Cliff Christl (who took a backseat to no reporter in being critical of the organization) and Larry McCarren as smart moves that enable them to keep pushing their narrative. Perhaps it's something that emerged out of the Favre implosion.

Mike McCarthy's "garbage" comment disappointed me but when looked at though the prism Henry describes it fits perfectly. The brain trust has decided to roll with Guion and Quarless et.al. for this season but I'll be interested to see what the offseason brings.

 I agree with pretty much everything you said. The big difference between many other organizations and the Packers is that they attempt to control or limit the influence. I don't know, maybe they have a mentoring system in place. I would hope that they do not let a guy like Guion run around completely unchecked.

I guess the managements reaction to all of this does say that there is a level of arrogance to their entire process. That attitude reflects many of the other higher functioning organizations in the NFL currently. I'd rather have them believe than be all wishy washy about everything. The Rob Davis exchange seems a bit excessive. It almost seems like the article was just a way to bring that entire exchange to light considering everything in the article other than that was old news.

Most disturbing part of the piece (other than the alleged conduct by Rob Davis) is the apparent failure on the part of the Packers to adequately vet Guion prior to signing him. Don't really have a problem with the organization taking a chance on turds as long as the due diligence is there and they know what they're getting.

Bob was very adamant about his opposition to the team bringing in Lyerla and my overall impression is he's not really big on second chances. The fact that the team is willing to roll the dice with character risks should be obvious to any fan that's been paying attention and that's not really any revelation.

I think there is a general level of mentoring and altruism in the locker room.  That mentality just also happens to work very well with what's happening on the business side of things.  Who wouldn't want not only the production but PR of anchoring/turning around a talented but troubled individual?  

And without a doubt this is a hit piece.  What I've read of Cohen, he's a good journalist.  This is just another salvo on both sides.  It will settle down eventually into a status quo.  McGinn protecting journalistic integrity, which he should and the Packers protecting their organizational approach, which they should sans the bull**** antics Rob Davis pulled.

McGinn doesn't have to like second chances.  For him it's more of a journalistic weapon rather than something he has to deal with like the Packers organization.  See said article.

I also believe McGinn's assumption of how insulated the Packers brass is is false.  Bob Harlan set that precedent.  Nobody is pining for Tom Braatz again.

If that were true why would the Packers even venture into turd land?  They could have a roster of choirboys with great PR that gets beat in the playoffs every year if the Packers brass is so untouchable.  

Point being, there's a dash of bull**** added to the facts being presented.  It's as much a war over PR and positioning as anything.

As far a Guion being vetted, apparently nobody did.  I would put dollars to donuts there are a lot of players that aren't vetted.  McGinn isn't stupid.  There have been other ****heads on this team through the years.  He's just pulling out the "oh my goodness" routine because the Packers acted like dicks to a new guy.  It's a ****ing turf war right now.

If this isn't the proverbial "Don't piss off a guy that buys ink by the barrel" I don't know what is.  All of these guys know the score, now they're just slapping each other around with it.

A lot of old boy network techniques prevail, I'd guess.

Wonder if Ted will be having any talks about changing the RoE on vetting with his young Director of Player Personnel.

I have no problem with my team taking on players with addiction issues.  In fact, I think the way they handled Jolly should be the model.  Ostracizing these guys isn't the answer and if the NFL would have allowed it this org has the resources to help.   I can cheer for these guys and not feel like I need a shower afterward.

I do have a problem with guys like AQ and Guion.. 

Outside of sucking, one thing that has really turned me away from the Brewers is Melvins obbsesion with Krod.   I simply can't cheer for that POS.

McGinn's article shows he is personally wounded by the interaction between Davis and Cohen. It was very, very unprofessional to let his personal feelings sway his writing.

That said, I hope this article puts a final nail in the coffin for those trumpeting the notion that the Packers' organization is somehow superior to the rest of the NFL because Guion and Quarless are "Packer people" and Lyerla would have been if he could play. 

What was unprofessional was Rob Davis' actions. Kudos to Bob for calling him out on it.