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@ByRyanWood:  Rich Bisaccia on Jordan Love's presence: "When you have a quarterback like number 10 doing the things he's doing to extend plays and showing his leadership in the locker room...I think that brings the younger guys forward faster than they think they can."

*ding*!

A while back I posted an observation by some guy positing how 12 just sucked the air out of the room by his presence and now the rest of the squad could just relax and play ball. Now this point by Bisaccia. It’s gonna be fun watching these kids grow together, it’s pretty clear that from top to bottom the team is energized by 10 and want to play hard with him and for him.

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@H5 posted:


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Awesome pic. Hopefully it will be as epic as the old pics of Lombardi and Starr studying together. Do you happen to have the photo of AR kneeling besides MLF explaining how he wants the play to be run?

@Floridarob posted:

Awesome pic. Hopefully it will be as epic as the old pics of Lombardi and Starr studying together. Do you happen to have the photo of AR kneeling besides MLF explaining how he wants the play to be run?

A better photo would be AR meeting with Cobb, Adams, and Lazard to go over the super secret hand signals while the younger guys try to eavesdrop from the other side of the room.

@packerboi posted:

1st TD drive we got some breaks and he had some off throws.

2nd drive - Money. 

The NFL does what it always does.... inconsistent officiating - Don't call shit on the Saints all game then in crunch time, a couple calls keeping the game close. Every game all over the league....minus the Miami game. They couldn't do shit about that one.

@DH13 posted:

Were the PI's really breaks?  Were they debatable?  Weren't the NO DB's grabby all afternoon?

No.
No.
Yes!

Saints DBs were very aggressive, especially #1 and #27. Some of their coverage looked dubious in real time, and replay would confirm PI or holding.
2 or 3 of them looked especially obvious.
I was glad Toure (2 point play) and Doubs (TD) were able to piss on them both.

And speaking of aggressive, I think there is still some Greg Williams stink in NO.
There were at least 2 late hits OOB.

While there were some boos, I seriously doubt anybody at Lambeau was booing Jordan Love.

"Talk about a thriller. Jordan Love led three straight scoring drives in the fourth quarter to erase a 17-0 deficit, and win 18-17. This matches the Packers' largest comeback victory entering the fourth quarter since at least 1950. It wasn't a perfect performance, but Love rebounded from hearing boos in the first half to feeling the love in the second."

There was actually a spattering of boos as the team went in at the half but that certainly wasn't directed at Love. There were a ton of unforced mistakes and penalties at that point but that lousy performance wasn't by Love.

@PackerRick posted:

There was actually a spattering of boos as the team went in at the half but that certainly wasn't directed at Love. There were a ton of unforced mistakes and penalties at that point but that lousy performance wasn't by Love.

I was at home booing because the offense had time to run at least one more play and instead they downed it and let the half end.  

Throw a long pass, take the PI penalty and then kick a field goal. It’s a cheap three points….probably wouldn’t work but it beats downing the ball and conceding that you got your asses thoroughly kicked in the first half.

But I guess the first step to failure is trying.

@Boris posted:

Question for you @bdplant

What if on that play Doubs or Reed gets injured? Or Love gets smacked and sacked and injured??

Sometimes when you "lose".....you actually WIN.

They won the game by taking risks and throwing long passes in the fourth quarter. How is that any different than one long pass attempt at the end of the first half?

It’s football. It’s violent. Injuries happen….doesn’t mean you stop trying.  I can understand pulling your QB in 4q if you’re up by 30. There’s no risk in doing that. But the Packers got their asses handed to them in the first half. They had a chance (albeit a low percentage chance) to end the half on a positive note. Instead, they downed the ball and ran to the locker room with their tails between their legs. It’s no wonder they got booed.

Overall, it was one play and not that big of a deal. It just irked me. Kinda like sitting four of your best players and saving them for the next game. Maybe all four guys really couldn’t play, but when you see your star RB warming up before the game and then you sit him for the game knowing full well that your backup has been struggling to stay upright….let him play!  I don’t know why everybody is so afraid of the Loins anyway.  What have they done?

The same goes for Barry’s constant soft prevent defense. Be aggressive and stop playing scared.

…Deep breath….ok, I feel better now. Sorry for the rant.

@PackerRick posted:

There was actually a spattering of boos as the team went in at the half but that certainly wasn't directed at Love. There were a ton of unforced mistakes and penalties at that point but that lousy performance wasn't by Love.

There was very audible booing multiple times in the 2nd and 3rd quarters but it was directed at the offense in general. Playcalling, execution, everything in general about the offense was frustrating the crowd.

I did hear a couple of mutterings around me about "Love sucks" but based on other comments from the same people they weren't exactly jeenyuses when it comes to football. Same people freaked out when the team didn't snap the ball with a couple of seconds before the 2 minute warning or the end of the 1st or 3rd quarter. Or they would get excited and cheer a tackle after an 8 yard gain on 1st down.

I'd call them low football IQ but that's probably being too kind.

@michiganjoe posted:

Think their 8-2 record over the last ten games the previous year has a lot to do with it.

They’ve certainly improved and they may very well beat the Packers again Thursday night, but they’re not Mahomes and the Chiefs….at least not yet.

Love has proven that he can play big against NFL competition. That was the biggest question mark coming into the season. He’s still going to have his growing pains, but so far, so good.

There’s no reason why the Packers shouldn’t win this game at home.

@bdplant posted:

If you absolutely had to win a game, would you rather play the Chiefs or the Lions?

It depends on the situation. If you were playing in a playoff game (or any game at the end of the year that the opposing team needed to win badly), you'd much rather play the Lions. It's not even close.

You always want to play Jared Goff instead of Patrick Mahomes if you have a choice.

K. Toney cost the Chiefs at least 10 points the the season opener. If he just drops the pass on the ground that hit him his hands while running perfectly in stride that deflected off of him for a Pick 6, the Chiefs win pretty easily.

The Chiefs were also playing without their 2nd and 3rd best players during the opener (Kelce and Jones). If they play that game again this week, the Chiefs would be favored by at least 5-6 points.

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Another comment on the Chiefs, if I'm Justin Fields (or another young QB that's been labelled a bust) and have the opportunity to go anywhere next year, you go to the Chiefs. It's worth it play on a minimum contract. Those off-season programs and training camps with Reid must really be good. The only losing seasons Reid has had in the NFL where when he either had a rookie QB (McNabb in 1999) and when the staring QB went down mid-season (McNabb in 2005 and Vick in 2012).

Reid is laughably bad at clock management sometimes, but he's the offensive equivalent to Belichick as a defensive coordinator.

Every QB that Reid has ever worked with has had their best years with him.

Donavan McNabb was an MVP candidate with Reid and horrifically bad immediately when he went to the Redskins at the end of his career (he had made the Pro Bowl the year before with Reid).

Alex Smith played well enough to make it weird to bench him for Mahomes (obviously KC had seen enough behind the scenes to do it).

Michael Vick was at his best at as a QB with Reid. He wasn't running completely wild like with Atlanta, but he was a Tramon Williams end zone pick in a playoff game away from maybe winning a Super Bowl in 2011.

Brett Favre's career with the Packers completely changed trajectory when Reid left (when Wolf hired Rhodes instead of Reid - still the biggest mistake of Wolf's career in Green Bay).

Mahomes may go down as the 2nd best QB of all-time before he's done only behind Brady. He would be great, but not a generational talent, had he played in other places.

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