@DH13 posted:Can GB beat DET? Of course. But they haven't for three games now and DET still looks like it's improving. Should be toughest test so far. Getting 9 and 33 back will definitely help.
Don't worry .... I won't spoil the surprise for you 🙂
Those of us who aren't racist look at that picture and don't see color.
Great picture. If it had been Rodgers and LaFleur, Rodgers would be giving him his lunch order.
Feels like Love hasn’t faced a big pass rush yet this year. Is that because the backups up front are performing beyond expectations or is he getting the ball out before it can become an issue? Do we have stats on release time?
We've heard a bunch of media guys comment on some similarities to AR that Love is displaying and all want to attribute it to "he learned from watching Aaron" .... what they fail to mention (or grasp) is that they had the same QB coach in Tom Clements. The greatest parting gift that AR gave the Packers was to insist that they rehire Clements.
@BrainDed posted:Feels like Love hasn’t faced a big pass rush yet this year. Is that because the backups up front are performing beyond expectations or is he getting the ball out before it can become an issue? Do we have stats on release time?
I read a stat yesterday that GB has allowed at least 1 sack on only 9% of their drives. That was 4th lowest rate in the league.
I'm sure there are stats on QB release time. It is clear that JL has very good pocket presence.
PFF have the Packers receivers down with only 4 drops on the season. They are such clowns.
Reed by himself had 3 last week and he wasn't the only one.
@FLPACKER posted:We've heard a bunch of media guys comment on some similarities to AR that Love is displaying and all want to attribute it to "he learned from watching Aaron" .... what they fail to mention (or grasp) is that they had the same QB coach in Tom Clements. The greatest parting gift that AR gave the Packers was to insist that they rehire Clements.
I've long thought that Arod did Love a solid by getting Clements back.
@Goalline posted:PFF have the Packers receivers down with only 4 drops on the season. They are such clowns.
Reed by himself had 3 last week and he wasn't the only one.
There were plenty of drops last week. When Rodgers was the QB every incompletion was either a drop or a PD, never a bad throw. I remember plenty of bad throws being called drops.
Not many pure "drops" but a lot of 50/50 balls that we didn't get. Watching the game I was thinking that the Saints may have set some sort of record for the number of passes defended. Some of those were on Love. Many times he "throws to the receiver", rather than "away from the defender".
No secret. Protect any QB in the NFL and of course, they are much better. MLF has to get it figured out with the guys he has along that OL.
.@danorlovsky7 compared Jordan Love to Jared Goff with plus athleticism on @lockedonpackers last week and TNF was a good example.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) September 29, 2023
When Love was clean, he was excellent 17/22 for 198 yards per PFF.
That’s the Goff playbook. Keep him clean and he’s good!
Love played with a makeshift offensive line in which the interior of the line was completely manhandled by the Lions defensive line.
He lost his rookie TE early in the game and was throwing to H-Back Josiah Degaura once he replaced Musgrave.
He had John Kuhn, I mean AJ Dillon, as his lead back for most of the night (Jones had a whopping 6 touches).
He faced crappy field position the entire game because the D could not stop Detroit and the STs insisted on taking the ball out of the end zone and kept failing to get back to the 20 -- not even the 25.
His "#1" WR was on a pitch count that limited his snaps.
He was down 27-3 at half.
I don't think Jordan Love was good last night.
But I do think he showed continued poise and did not give up.
Don't know if Love is the future, but I'll be damned if he was in the top 5 of the Packer's problems during last night's beatdown by the LIons.
Love wasn't the problem last night. Give any NFL QB on a roster enough time and they'll almost always be successful. The only concerning stat I saw was that Love hits on only 23% of his passes when under pressure (40 pass min.). He needs to improve that, as he does his overall completion rate. Otherwise, all we'll see is teams blitzing (Detroit didn't have to do that last night.) and daring Love to complete the throw. Remember how it was awesome when teams blitzed Rodgers because we knew he'd make them pay? Love has to learn a little of that because if I'm a DC with competent CBs, I'd throw the kitchen sink at Love and dare him to beat me.
I don’t blame last night’s debacle on Love, but he did seem to be throwing high fairly often and he almost got Jones killed a couple times.
Somebody needs to get ahold of the playbook and burn the option play page.
@Fandame posted:if I'm a DC with competent CBs, I'd throw the kitchen sink at Love and dare him to beat me.
That's where MLF has to adjust and help his QB. Quick hitters, (to Aaron Jones) slants and short gains to continue moving the sticks ....and FFS can they speed up the play too. Don't let the defense switch players. WTF happened to that?!?
Aaron Rodgers would have an aneurism playing with this #Packers skill group (and he’d be right to be annoyed!)
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) September 30, 2023
Wrong routes. Missed adjustments (and yes, missed hand signals). Attention to detail/nuance.
GB knew this would be the case. Talented kids learning on the fly.
One thing that surprised me from MLF's presser was him admitting that the majority of his play calls don't have the option of Love being able to get into another play if the defense isn't what was expected in that situation. Wahle pointed out that is a significant weakness compared to AR being able to change any call.
I think part of the problem was AR being able change every call.
Fair point, but as Wahle said, us fans have no idea how many bad play calls AR got us out of, that Love has to stick with the call.
The 12-haters won't admit it, but it's obvious he was the deodorant for a lot of MLF's shortcomings.
10 is doing the best he can, but is limited by the same problems that plagued this squad last year...but he doesn't have the experience to work around it.
@FLPACKER posted:Fair point, but as Wahle said, us fans have no idea how many bad play calls AR got us out of, that Love has to stick with the call.
RONG! AR is no longer on the Packers so we at TimesFour much denigrate him in every way possible.
Not true. While I appreciate what AR has done for the Packers, and he’s done a lot, i’ve been tired of his schtick for several seasons now….and I think the coaching staff and front office have gone out of their way to hide the jackass that he’s become.
On the other hand, I wish Davante Adams nothing but the best, except when he plays against the Packers.
Both Herman and Bukowski and some of the guys they were reacting to online spoke at length on a lot of Thursdays issues on offense being rooted in youth - inexperience and lack of attention to detail. Especially at OL and WR, and that Packers brass was fully aware this was going to be the case when they built the youngest roster in the league. They knew there would be days like these and it's accepted as part of the process.
My issue with this plan is it is an incredible risk. You're banking on all that young talent to have high enough ceilings for the plan to pay off. And that the coaches are good enough to teach them. The WR room could use a vet with experience in McVay/MLF system to help with the on field coaching.
Ty Dunne recently interviewed Love's offseason coach Steve Calhoun. Parts of the interview are on YouTube. A subscription to the Go Long website is needed to hear the whole thing.
I expected this year to be a "let's see what we have here" kind of year without any big expectations. Four games in they will probably be drafting in the top ten. I like what I see from Love. Yea, he misses some throws he should make but also makes some other throws that I was not expecting. Rasheed Walker is playing pretty well for a 7th round draft pick. The Love and Musgrave connection should be the easiest on the team but they cannot get on the same page. The regression of Dillon is baffling. Aaron Jones is the best player on the field but he has been hurt and when he wasnt MLF does not use him. Baffling. The offensive line needs to get a lot better. Hopefully that gets fixed in the draft and free agency.
I don't need to see any more with the defense. It is Joe Barrys defense and will be the same as last year and the year before that. At this point three years in, it will not get better. We just have to ride the year out and hope for changes next year.
Damn....Guess I don't need to watch Packer football anymore this season.
See ya for the draft in April.
@Boris posted:Damn....Guess I don't need to watch Packer football anymore this season.
See ya for the draft in April.
so you knew and were expecting something different than what we are seeing?
@Floridarob posted:they will probably be drafting in the top ten… misses some throws… cannot get on the same page…regression…baffling… has been hurt…Baffling…needs to get a lot better…Hopefully that gets fixed…it will not get better... hope for changes
In sum. 😅
@Floridarob posted:so you knew and were expecting something different than what we are seeing?
Actually I do and we may have to be a bit patient. We as Packers fans a spoiled rotten bunch who are not used to having a reload year with young players everywhere especially on offense. This offense is YOUNG as in many of them are rookies or are in playing time equivalent to rookies. They are going to need some experience and when they do yes I do expect them to get better and if healthy that will be sooner rather than later. But, a lot will depend on the OL getting healthy and gaining some continuity which is so important for an OL.
Now that being said I do not see or expect anything different from the defense. It is the same old chase the opponent, be out of place, and missing tons of tackles defense we have had for a long long time.
@Floridarob posted:so you knew and were expecting something different than what we are seeing?
Yes..... I didn't expect Jaire, Aaron Jones and the entire O-Line to be down by game #3.
I also expected Joe Bury to improve. It's quite obvious he has not and reverts to his same old bullshit marshmallow soft defensive schemes.
I also don't expect MLF to run Aaron Rodgers offense. Where's the jet sweeps and the motion to get guys open?? You know like Shanarat does? We have the players to do it. Now put them in the best position to succeed!!
I believe with a proper preferred starting O-Line (& D-Line) this is a playoff team or near playoff team.
Yes, THAT's what I expect.
The entire game vs. The Lie-Downs was ruined because the Pack didn't have the preferred starters on the O-Line. It happens and you have to play the cards you're dealt.
Still sucks because the Lions didn't see the real Green Bay Packers.
Receivers are paid to catch the ball. CTFB!!
I was having some fun with my previous post but I'm excited to see what the Packers can do over the next 4-5 game stretch. All games are VERY winnable, now we get to see what the new Packers are made of starting with MNF in Las Vegas
@Boris posted:Damn....Guess I don't need to watch Packer football anymore this season.
See ya for the draft in April.
Fun season so far except for Joe Barry. I wanna see more of the development of the young receivers and the young line.
@Boris posted:I also expected Joe Bury to improve. It's quite obvious he has not and reverts to his same old bullshit marshmallow soft defensive schemes.
I also don't expect MLF to run Aaron Rodgers offense. Where's the jet sweeps and the motion to get guys open?? You know like Shanarat does? We have the players to do it. Now put them in the best position to succeed!!
Apparently Barry is as Barry does. 🤬
I’ve been calling for the jet sweeps and motion too but maybe with the young guys and OL shuffle it was too complex? No excuse but do you add more moving parts? That said O slow starts and lack of run not working so…
@Boris posted:Yes..... I didn't expect Jaire, Aaron Jones and the entire O-Line to be down by game #3.
I also expected Joe Bury to improve. It's quite obvious he has not and reverts to his same old bullshit marshmallow soft defensive schemes.
I also don't expect MLF to run Aaron Rodgers offense. Where's the jet sweeps and the motion to get guys open?? You know like Shanarat does? We have the players to do it. Now put them in the best position to succeed!!
I believe with a proper preferred starting O-Line (& D-Line) this is a playoff team or near playoff team.
Yes, THAT's what I expect.
The entire game vs. The Lie-Downs was ruined because the Pack didn't have the preferred starters on the O-Line. It happens and you have to play the cards you're dealt.
Still sucks because the Lions didn't see the real Green Bay Packers.
Receivers are paid to catch the ball. CTFB!!
I was having some fun with my previous post but I'm excited to see what the Packers can do over the next 4-5 game stretch. All games are VERY winnable, now we get to see what the new Packers are made of starting with MNF in Las Vegas
I think the only one that missed the Lion game that is coming back is Jenkins as I believe Myers, Runyan, and Tom all played that Game but I'm going off of fading memory so I could be off a little here.