There's a lot of all 22 with 71 making head scratching decisions or 76 being down on his up and down play. I get tackles are the most valuable but it's real tempting to wonder what upgrade would happen if 50 held down the responsibilities at center and 71 moved to RG and could play without the mental strain at C. If 69 could have stayed on the field we'd have some more options. I can't help but think they want 75 ready to go next year and want to game the compensation pick for 76 to be as high as possible. He seems serviceable but not the guy you make a multi year veteran investment in
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Jordan Love has 7 games this season with multiple Pass TD and 0 INT.
— NFL on CBS 🏈 (@NFLonCBS) December 25, 2023
No one in the NFL has more. pic.twitter.com/9pwGD8CSvN
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This is not a scheme TD - or a TD where Love beats the defense with his arm - or the receivers make an amazing play on the ball.
— Jacob Morley (@JacobMorley) December 25, 2023
This is two guys who have played together, seeing the same thing and being on the same page.
THAT is an exciting development. pic.twitter.com/S3JOaS7esi
Great adjustment by Wicks on that play.
#Packers QB Jordan Love is shining in his first year as a starter. How bright? He's bettering what Aaron Rodgers did in Year 1 in many categories. My story at @ForbesSportshttps://t.co/kMpoRDhgda
— Rob Reischel (@robreischel) December 27, 2023
Jordan Love has shown enough throughout this year for @packers to have answered the question pic.twitter.com/Qnsb0vn1z1
— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) December 27, 2023
@michiganjoe posted:Great adjustment by Wicks on that play.
#Packers QB Jordan Love is shining in his first year as a starter. How bright? He's bettering what Aaron Rodgers did in Year 1 in many categories. My story at @ForbesSportshttps://t.co/kMpoRDhgda
— Rob Reischel (@robreischel) December 27, 2023
I will say that while it's "easier" to put up QB numbers in 2023 vs 2008 it's still not a given. Hell if it was that easy there would be more than a dozen true franchise QB's in the league.
What's he's done this year (past 6 games in particular) has exceeded my expectations and I expected him to be good.
I've been most surprised at how well he's taken care of the football, especially given the questions about his decision-making coming out.
There are more TDs thrown per game this season than in 2008. and scoring per game is almost identical. However, QB completion % and QBR were higher in 2008.
Interesting. Might say something about the average quality of QB's entering the league now vs then. There's not a lot of guys out there right now that I would trade Love for. I'm guessing the list would have been a bit longer at this point in 2008.
These days PakrzRick and I are Love fans first.
Probably not a dozen QB’s would take over him at this point.
Beyond the stats and his clear ascending into a top QB in the last 8 games, not nearly enough has been said about Love's leadership. He's damn impressive in this regard for such a young starter.
Remarkable how well he's handled a tumultuous season and come through on the other side balling. https://t.co/ow2gaLtVD3
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) December 27, 2023
He is wise beyond his years. Packer People.
@ammo posted:He is wise beyond his years. Packer People.
At least til we hate him.
As long as he doesn't pull a Favre/Rodgers there will be no reason to hate him.
@PackerHawk posted:Interesting. Might say something about the average quality of QB's entering the league now vs then. There's not a lot of guys out there right now that I would trade Love for. I'm guessing the list would have been a bit longer at this point in 2008.
To be fair, you're used to Iowa QBs. Anyone would look good compared to that.
@Iowacheese posted:These days PakrzRick and I are Love fans first.
Probably not a dozen QB’s would take over him at this point.
Tier 1 in 2024
Mahomes, Josh Allen, Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Burrow, Rodgers, Stafford
Tier 2
Hurts, Tua, Stroud, Trevor Lawrence, Prescott
If you had to make a decision for one year and assumed everyone was healthy and salaries for equal, the guys in Tier 1 are all much better. The guys in Tier 2 are somewhat better.
There are others that are similar, but nobody really jumps out as being a difference maker relative to Love.
If you take salary into account, you are maybe just looking at the first 5 guys that I would trade for him for next year.
@Fedya posted:To be fair, you're used to Iowa QBs. Anyone would look good compared to that.
The kid's moved into the top 10 in the QB power rankings, just ahead of Mahomes. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/n...homes-out-of-top-10/
I don't think there's any question they will work out a 4 or 5 year deal next year.
Jordan Love has thrown at least FIVE explosive passes (16+ yards) in EACH of his last ten starts.
— Jacob Morley (@JacobMorley) December 28, 2023
That is the longest current streak in the NFL.
And the longest streak for the Packers since 2000.
*yes, something 12 never did in his career*
Per @packers dope sheet. pic.twitter.com/1RLRzCyAqd
All sorts of possibilities when he's got a competent defense to help him out.
This includes his first start vs. KC.
Through first 16 career starts
— NFL on CBS 🏈 (@NFLonCBS) December 28, 2023
Aaron Rodgers Jordan Love
28/13 Pass TD/INT 28/12
341 Completions 340
536 Attempts 548
6-10 W-L 7-9 pic.twitter.com/U7BUu57ReJ
Ok, I am down with a super bowl appearance and win in two years. The clock is ticking. McCarthy also replaced Bob Sanders as DC after ARs first year with Dom Capers just as it appears MLF is going to replace JB with someone else. It is wild to see the the similarities between AR and his first few years and what is happening with JL.
Not only Love's and AR's first 16 starts, but the stats between Love and Rodgers are almost mirror images for Rodgers in 2022 and Love this year (from Packers Post):
Comparing the Numbers
2022 Aaron Rodgers
542 ATT 350 CMP 64.6 PCT 3,695 YDS 26 TD 12 INT Y/A 6.8 91.1 QBR
2023 Jordan Love
514 ATT 321 CMP 62.5 PCT 3,587 YDS 27TD 11 INT Y/A 7.0 91.8 QBR
Rushing Comparison:
2022 Rodgers: Rushes 34 Yards 94 TD 1
2023 Love: Rushes 45 Yards 246 TD 3
Record Through 15 Games:
2022 Rodgers: 7-8-0
2022 Love: 7-8-0
300 Yard Passing Games:
2022 Rodgers: 0
2023 Love: 1
Games with 100 or Higher QB Rating:
2022 Rodgers: 3
2023 Love: 8
4th Quarter Comebacks/Game Winning Drives:
2022 Rodgers: 4
2023 Love: 3
It's kind of freaky how closely Love's and Rodgers' numbers align, yet some people still see Rodgers as far better than Love. Add in that Rodgers had much more experienced receivers compared to Love -- and Love has had an easier schedule -- and it makes them quite equal. What still needs to be determined is if Love can continue to improve his play to stay close to Rodgers' level. (I don't expect Love to equal or surpass Rodgers, but staying close will certainly be good enough.) How good Love has been this year has kind of snuck up on everyone, probably because we've all been watching the implosion of the defense for the past several games.
Jordan's personal secretary's last name is Lincoln.
Aaron's personal secretary's last name is Kennedy.
I would bet if Tom Clemens wrote a book entitled "The Art of Making Love" it would be a huge success.
@PackLandVA posted:Jordan's personal secretary's last name is Lincoln.
Aaron's personal secretary's last name is Kennedy.
Jordan’s best not go the the theatre and AR’s best stay out ofDallas.
Some of the difficulty people have comparing AR v JL first year is we have a career's worth of performance to color AR's first year with hindsight. With JL we have no idea if what we're seeing is the beginning of something great or the inconsistencies of a QB that will always be inconsistent. With AR it's almost retroactive confirmation bias looking back.
Not saying JL will or won't be great, just that it's almost impossible to compare the two's first year, other than with stats that we know don't tell the whole story.
Unless you've never seen either QB play and only watched their first year's as starter. How would we look at AR's first year if his career ended immediately after it?
@PackLandVA posted:Jordan's personal secretary's last name is Lincoln.
Aaron's personal secretary's last name is Kennedy.
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@DH13 posted:Some of the difficulty people have comparing AR v JL first year is we have a career's worth of performance to color AR's first year with hindsight. With JL we have no idea if what we're seeing is the beginning of something great or the inconsistencies of a QB that will always be inconsistent. With AR it's almost retroactive confirmation bias looking back.
Not saying JL will or won't be great, just that it's almost impossible to compare the two's first year, other than with stats that we know don't tell the whole story.
Unless you've never seen either QB play and only watched their first year's as starter. How would we look at AR's first year if his career ended immediately after it?
I watched a few games from Rodgers first season. He had a much stronger arm than Love does, most of his balls were lasers. He also scrambled a lot more. And Jennings was WAY better than any WR we have on this team by far. Even with their record it was obvious tho AR was the real deal. He didn't look as polished as he would become but he was very quick, decisive and pretty damn accurate.
Also, man Woodson and Nick Collins were amazing players. We have nothing like them currently at all.
@michiganjoe posted:I've been most surprised at how well he's taken care of the football, especially given the questions about his decision-making coming out.
This is what I remember best about Rodgers. In 2008, he was a first year starter, so it unfolded what type of qb he was week by week. He showed he could make plays, extend plays, improvise and distribute the ball. It wasn't until years two and three that it became clear how much better he was than Bert at protecting the ball and avoiding the huge mistake. He had a disdain for ints that is unsurpassed in history.
When Favre was winning his mvps, his td/int rate was stellar. 1994-1996 under Holmgren he had 110 tds to 40 ints. Just staggering numbers at that point in time. The only qb that matched that was Steve Young, who was also vg at avoiding costly mistakes. Rodgers came in and blew that away.
Early on, it became clear that Rodgers could be trusted with the ball far more than Brett. That trait alone would make him better overall than Favre. If there's one quality Love could take from Rodgers, I'm hoping it's that one. He's had his share of bad throws this year, but this last stretch, through wins and losses, his td/int ratio resembles that of AR. His biggest test yet is going into the purple dome, so we will see tomorrow night where he's at in his growth. Now I will stfu because I don't wanna jinx it for him.
@Pikes Peak posted:Jordan’s best not go the the theatre and AR’s best stay out ofDallas.
Rodgers turned the script. Instead of being assassinated he was the assassin of Dallas.
Another exceptional performance from Love against a good defense (and they left a ton of points on the field).
After tossing 2 picks against Pittsburgh, the Packers were 3-6. To that point in the season, Love had thrown 14 TDs and 10 Interceptions*. Since then, Love has thrown 16 TDs and 1 Interception. The Packers have gone 5-2. Also his QBR has been 108.5 or higher in all but 1 game.
Definite improvement as the season progressed, and against some good defenses, Anything more this weekend is gravy.
*after starting with 6 TDs and no INTs, he went 8 TDs and 10 INTs in the next seven games.
The confidence, decision-making, and decisiveness are vastly improved from earlier this year. Collingsworth did have a good line tonight when he said it looks like Love has added three years of experience since the first Vikings game. It's coming together for him and the young WRs.
It's cool to see the numbers as it gives you some way to compare AR and JL. However, beyond that, Love has handled this season with excellent poise. AR was definitely a leader until he wasn't. Seeing a young QB playing so well is awesome, but mindset and emotional maturity is such an asset. The fact that he's doing all of this with such young/no name skill position players makes it that much more impressive. It seems he has the leadership qualities that a franchise QB needs.
@ammo posted:As long as he doesn't pull a Favre/Rodgers there will be no reason to hate him.
We did not know what pulling a Favre or pulling a rodgers thing was until they did it. If Jordan pulls a love in 15 years we will have had another nice run.