The deadline to pick up Love's 5th year option of just over 20 million is Tuesday.
@Pakrz posted:The deadline to pick up Love's 5th year option of just over 20 million is Tuesday.
That was one of the unspoken deadlines regarding the Aaron Rodgers trade. With Rodgers gone, they can now commit that money to Jordan’s 5th year option.
It sure sounds like they're going to pick up Love's fifth year option, but the comments seem odd....
@Pakrz posted:The deadline to pick up Love's 5th year option of just over 20 million is Tuesday.
Brian Gutekunst says they’ve had preliminary discussions about Jordan Love’s fifth-year option, but Packers haven’t yet exercised it. Deadline to do so is Tuesday.
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) April 29, 2023
“It’s a lot of money for a guy who hasn’t played, but at the same time we’re moving forward with him.” pic.twitter.com/aGictkHOnK
Everyone knows that the Packers have no choice but to pick up Love's 5th year option, so any suggestion to the contrary is grade school level posturing.
And yeah, guaranteeing Love $20M+ in 2024 "is a lot of money for a guy who hasn’t played," but it ain't Love's fault the organization chose not to play him in 2022 -- even when #12 was ineffective and broke his thumb.
Guess Gute just felt an need to let Jordan know who the new big man is in Green Bay now that the bad man has been shipped off to New York.
@SteveLuke posted:Everyone knows that the Packers have no choice but to pick up Love's 5th year option, so any suggestion to the contrary is grade school level posturing.
And yeah, guaranteeing Love $20M+ in 2024 "is a lot of money for a guy who hasn’t played," but it ain't Love's fault the organization chose not to play him in 2022 -- even when #12 was ineffective and broke his thumb.
Guess Gute just felt an need to let Jordan know who the new big man is in Green Bay now that the bad man has been shipped off to New York.
Wrong.
Gute very much has a choice to not pick up the 5th year option on Love if he chooses not to. They can always do what they did with AR and sign him around November (they did this in 2008) after he's played a number of games as a starter and have a much better idea of where he's at as a starter.
They can also transition tag or franchise tag him in 2024 if they must until a long term deal is agreed to.
They are not handcuffed here with no options. If for some reason Love really struggles in 2023 (I do not expect this) and they DO NOT tag him, the Packers can always move on from him with no dead money and draft a QB in a much better QB draft class in '24. And if Love would be that bad, it would also mean the Packers aren't winning more than 3-4 games so they will have a premium pick.
As Michael Rodney pointed out a couple of months ago:
If Love bombs as the starter, there’s no harm done. He goes on his way, and Green Bay can draft his replacement with what would likely be a top-10 pick in 2024. And if he plays well or at least shows legitimate potential, Gutekunst has the option of extending him during the season or, if worse comes to worst, using the franchise tag to keep him from going to another team. Shelling out an extra $12M for the quarterback of the future would be a heck of a lot easier to accept than guaranteeing $20M to the next DeShone Kizer, the prospect Love reminded me of most while watching tape in 2020.
Again, I do not expect that to happen. I think MLF and Tom Clements are going to very much set this kid up to be successful and I think Love will show plenty that he's read to be the next franchise QB.
@packerboi posted:Wrong.
Gute very much has a choice to not pick up the 5th year option on Love if he chooses not to. They can always do what they did with AR and sign him around November (they did this in 2008) after he's played a number of games as a starter and have a much better idea of where he's at as a starter.
They can also transition tag or franchise tag him in 2024 if they must until a long term deal is agreed to.
They are not handcuffed here with no options. If for some reason Love really struggles in 2023 (I do not expect this) and they DO NOT tag him, the Packers can always move on from him with no dead money and draft a QB in a much better QB draft class in '24. And if Love would be that bad, it would also mean the Packers aren't winning more than 3-4 games so they will have a premium pick.
As Michael Rodney pointed out a couple of months ago:
If Love bombs as the starter, there’s no harm done. He goes on his way, and Green Bay can draft his replacement with what would likely be a top-10 pick in 2024. And if he plays well or at least shows legitimate potential, Gutekunst has the option of extending him during the season or, if worse comes to worst, using the franchise tag to keep him from going to another team. Shelling out an extra $12M for the quarterback of the future would be a heck of a lot easier to accept than guaranteeing $20M to the next DeShone Kizer, the prospect Love reminded me of most while watching tape in 2020.
Again, I do not expect that to happen. I think MLF and Tom Clements are going to very much set this kid up to be successful and I think Love will show plenty that he's read to be the next franchise QB.
That seems like a waste of the 5th year option. The idea of the 5th year option is to get the player on the cheap for one more year. The franchise tag will be double that and there’s zero chance they will expose him to other teams by doing the transition tag on a future franchise QB.
@Goalline posted:That seems like a waste of the 5th year option. The idea of the 5th year option is to get the player on the cheap for one more year. The franchise tag will be double that and there’s zero chance they will expose him to other teams by doing the transition tag on a future franchise QB.
That's assuming Love works out, which is probably more likely than not but hardly guaranteed. The franchise tag is 32 mil. 5th year option is 20+ mil. So it is not double, it's a 12 mil risk not to tag him and even then, it would have to come to a point where Love and the FO can't come up with a long term deal where they are forced to tag him.
I don't see that happening. I think they work out a deal for him, likely 3 years mid-season this year. If he really looks like a franchise QB by the end of that deal, Love will deservedly get his huge pay day.
Also, while it's 2 different players and 2 different situations, I am also guessing Gute feels a bit burned picking up Savage 5th year option. He's on the hook for 8 million this year for a player who got benched last year and moved out of the safety position and moved to slot.
@packerboi posted:That's assuming Love works out, which is probably more likely than not but hardly guaranteed. The franchise tag is 32 mil. 5th year option is 20+ mil. So it is not double, it's a 12 mil risk not to tag him and even then, it would have to come to a point where Love and the FO can't come up with a long term deal where they are forced to tag him.
I don't see that happening. I think they work out a deal for him, likely 3 years mid-season this year. If he really looks like a franchise QB by the end of that deal, Love will deservedly get his huge pay day.
Also, while it's 2 different players and 2 different situations, I am also guessing Gute feels a bit burned picking up Savage 5th year option. He's on the hook for 8 million this year for a player who got benched last year and moved out of the safety position and moved to slot.
12 million? Hmm! I might have to rethink my position.
@packerboi posted:I don't see that happening. I think they work out a deal for him, likely 3 years mid-season this year. If he really looks like a franchise QB by the end of that deal, Love will deservedly get his huge pay day.
Can' they work out a longer term, say 3 -4 years before the Tuesday deadline? Wouldn't that be the best for both the Packers and Love?
@packerboi posted:Wrong.
How dare you contradict FRONT OFFICE GUY.
@ammo posted:Can' they work out a longer term, say 3 -4 years before the Tuesday deadline? Wouldn't that be the best for both the Packers and Love?
For next year’s cap, yes.
@ammo posted:Can' they work out a longer term, say 3 -4 years before the Tuesday deadline? Wouldn't that be the best for both the Packers and Love?
They could. Virtually no one would agree it's good idea. Because if Love shits the bed in 2023, you are really on the hook with Love for years to come beyond a 5th year option. And his cap number this year is minimal. So there is no hurry from the FO standpoint to do that right now.
My guess is the Packers want a sample size, likely 8 games ish before they decide to give him a long-term deal. Thats roughly what Ted wanted out of AR before committing to him. And Gute is very much a disciple of Ted.
Give him a 3 year deal, less money than the 5th year option with a voidable 3rd year but all 1st and 2nd year money guaranteed with an agreement to a longer term deal if he plays well the 1st half of 2023. Win win for both.
The next great Packer QB might just be in next year’s draft after the Packers earn a top 10 pick and trade up using the Jets’ 1st rounder.
Eeyore
I think the Packers have a chance to be a decent, even playoff team. Love is not a rookie. Doesn’t have a lot of game snaps, but he’s not green. The Packers will become run first, try to control the clock and minimize TOs. Unfortunately, they’ll need a very inconsistent defense to do its part. But if a few things go their way, Packers could be a pretty good team.
@D J posted:So they had to pay him [Jones] one year early, big deal. Love isn't worth $20 million and if he proves he is capable then pay him.
And Jones had a lot more NFL playing time under his belt.
Had they given him the fifth year, they could have had him much cheaper this year. I believe his four year deal is for $160 million.
@PackLandVA posted:I think the Packers have a chance to be a decent, even playoff team. Love is not a rookie. Doesn’t have a lot of game snaps, but he’s not green. The Packers will become run first, try to control the clock and minimize TOs. Unfortunately, they’ll need a very inconsistent defense to do its part. But if a few things go their way, Packers could be a pretty good team.
Playoffs?
Dude.
Why is everyone only giving 10 a short leash? Be prepared for it to take 2-3 years of full time play to turn into anything…12 was bad his first year but as long as there is glimpses…I say they give him a 3-4 year mid level deal.
@Pakrz posted:Playoffs?
Dude.
You must over value the division or the conference or both.
@YATittle posted:Had they given him the fifth year, they could have had him much cheaper this year. I believe his four year deal is for $160 million.
If Love plays well the Packers will have to pay him too. It is only a one-year difference. Paying Love $20 million with virtually no experience is foolish.
@packerboi posted:Brian Gutekunst says they’ve had preliminary discussions about Jordan Love’s fifth-year option, but Packers haven’t yet exercised it. Deadline to do so is Tuesday.
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) April 29, 2023
“It’s a lot of money for a guy who hasn’t played, but at the same time we’re moving forward with him.” pic.twitter.com/aGictkHOnK
It's worth watching Gute's press conference for full context. This was his response to Bill Huber asking a hypothetical follow up question "What would be the reason not to?" after he said he was still working through it and they only had preliminary discussions about Love's option because they were so focused on the draft. In the last 7 days they traded the cornerstone of the franchise for the last 15 years and prepared for this year's draft. It makes sense the option would be on the bottom of the task list.
Brace yourself ..They're going to exercise the 5th year option.
Let's see if the guy can stay healthy and play well.
$20M for a starting QB isn't that bad in today's NFL.
@Pakrz posted:You dispute the possibility?
I’m eternally optimistic about everything except Fedya’s movie thread.
@PackLandVA posted:I think the Packers have a chance to be a decent, even playoff team.
I believe a goal.of "playoffs" should certainly be in the locker room.
Will they make it there?? 🤷♂️
But every locker room needs a goal
The Packers are not in a rebuild. The pieces are there. Grant it, they lost a big piece last week, the most important piece. But they have playmakers on both sides of the ball. Plenty of teams are playoff worthy with average QB play. And Love may be better than average.
The division and NFC are not powerhouses.
There should be a different environment/attitude around the team this year. No more pressure to get the trophy while the window is open. Probably a better environment for young guys to learn. A defense on paper that "theoretically" could keep them in games. A running game that is bringing back all the pieces. On the down side, the division is getting tougher and nobody has any idea what Love is going to bring to the table. No reason not to go into the season with a goal of at least 9-10 wins.
If I were a better man, I'd take the over in Vegas.
@YATittle posted:If I were a better man, I'd take the over in Vegas.
No argument there.
@PackLandVA posted:The Packers are not in a rebuild. The pieces are there. Grant it, they lost a big piece last week, the most important piece. But they have playmakers on both sides of the ball. Plenty of teams are playoff worthy with average QB play. And Love may be better than average.
The division and NFC are not powerhouses.
No team with Rashan Gary, Jaire Alexander, David Bahktiari, Elgton Jenkins, Kenny Clark and Aaron Jones should be preparing for a season in which they miss the playoffs. That would be inexcusable!