Perhaps because with regard to athletics, I’m first chair here (😀) but I never played a damn competitive game without planning on winning it. Each season, the goal was to win EVERY DAMN GAME.
…and after we got blown out in the first game…the goal was to win EVERY DAMN GAME left. 😀
@Blair Kiel posted:Perhaps because with regard to athletics, I’m first chair here (😀) but I never played a damn competitive game without planning on winning it. Each the season, the goal was to win EVERY DAMN GAME.
I think the discussion here was sparked by the comment above about the Packers being in a rebuild. This is controlled by the GM who better have a realistic idea of what a team can accomplish.
When it comes to players, I played athletics through Division I and there were plenty of seasons where I knew we weren't going anywhere. To your point, I always prepared the same and started each game with the "hope" that we would win, but I was realistic about our chances. I think pro players are probably even more aware of how they stack up against others.
Oops, my bad
This thread is actually about Jordan Love, not how much Kiel Loves Kiel.
I shot marbles against the neighborhood bully and won.
I'm excited to see what the MLF offense looks like. I don't think Rodgers fully believed in the offense, forcing his own views into the play calling and execution. I imagine we'll see something close to SF, the same SF team that took Jimmy G to a Super Bowl and NFCC game, and Mr Irrelevant to a solid starter.
The season's success rests more on the defense. And I have no faith in the defensive coaching staff to make that happen.
One thing that will be interesting to watch is how they handle the play clock
Rodgers always took it down to the last second- and there were very good strategic reasons for doing that. ( drove some fans nuts)
But now we'll see Love running the plays that MLF called. We'll also see what happens when a 4 X MVP isn't there to decipher the defense pre-snap.
Lots of change for 2023
@Blair Kiel posted:Oops, my bad
This thread is actually about Jordan Love, not how much Kiel Loves Kiel.
Awwww, sweetheart. Bad memories of the cool kids putting you in lockers?
And if pussy-assed mods are going to delete my posts and rewrite them, you can ban my ass and then go fuck yourselves.
I miss Scoop.
@Blair Kiel posted:I miss Scoop.
You'll probably miss AR too.
@Blair Kiel posted:And if pussy-assed mods are going to delete my posts and rewrite them, you can ban my ass and then go fuck yourselves.
Wait.
Did I write that…or was it ghost-written?
@Satori posted:One thing that will be interesting to watch is how they handle the play clock
Rodgers always took it down to the last second- and there were very good strategic reasons for doing that. ( drove some fans nuts)But now we'll see Love running the plays that MLF called. We'll also see what happens when a 4 X MVP isn't there to decipher the defense pre-snap.
Lots of change for 2023
I am assuming that MLF will take away Love’s ability to audible. That will reduce the need to run that clock down.
@Blair Kiel posted:And if pussy-assed mods are going to delete my posts and rewrite them, you can ban my ass and then go fuck yourselves.
Henry could use the company.😅
I’m going to miss you the most!
@Blair Kiel posted:I’m going to miss you the most!
Goldie weeps
@Boris posted:I shot marbles against the neighborhood bully and won.
Where did you hit him?
@Satori posted:One thing that will be interesting to watch is how they handle the play clock
Rodgers always took it down to the last second- and there were very good strategic reasons for doing that. ( drove some fans nuts)But now we'll see Love running the plays that MLF called. We'll also see what happens when a 4 X MVP isn't there to decipher the defense pre-snap.
Lots of change for 2023
Rodgers didn't like a lot of unnecessary motion pre-snap. He instead preferred taking it down to the last second to see if he could figure it out. I am interested to see if we have more pre-snap motion to see what the defenses are up to, but the defenses are really, really good nowadays in disguising what they are in.
@GratefulPack posted:I am interested to see if we have more pre-snap motion to see what the defenses are up to, but the defenses are really, really good nowadays in disguising what they are in.
Its quite the cat n mouse game.
The challenge with some disguises is that in order to pull them off, some of the defenders are in aligned in difficult spots and have to run like crazy at the snap to cover their responsibilities - and offenses have used that against them.
When I looked at the Eagles game highlights, Love was using most of the play clock on his plays as well. There is a game strategy to that - if the offense is possessing the ball, the defense is resting on the sidelines.
The Packers had an amazingly productive offense in 2011, but they didn't possess the ball very long on each score. It was a blast to watch, but it puts immense pressure on the defense.
I think MLF / Love will still use as much of the play clock as they can, switching it up from time to time to catch the defense off guard.
@Satori posted:One thing that will be interesting to watch is how they handle the play clock
Rodgers always took it down to the last second- and there were very good strategic reasons for doing that. ( drove some fans nuts)But now we'll see Love running the plays that MLF called. We'll also see what happens when a 4 X MVP isn't there to decipher the defense pre-snap.
Lots of change for 2023
While burning TO's needlessly.
@GratefulPack posted:Rodgers didn't like a lot of unnecessary motion pre-snap.
He wanted to play chess with the opposing DC... and the better DC's played chess with him too.
DC knows: " If I line up like this, Rodgers will check out of the run and I can tell my guys to pin their ears back and go"
The pre-snap motions inform the QB as you noted, but they also force the defense to adjust on the fly. Its a fair bet that not all of them will see it the same and react the same. So you're getting intel and stressing the defense right before the snap.
And with the CBA-induced shortage of practice time - its really hard to run a complex defense against a motion team. So under duress they'll default to a more basic coverage and that flips the advantage back to MLF / Love and the offenses.
@D J posted:While burning TO's needlessly.
Yes, and maybe migrating away from the constant "let's burn 'em with 12 men on the field" trick. After a while, it just seemed more like a gimmick than real strategy....just my take on it. In other words, how about coming up with plays that work instead of trying to trick the defense...
It's great if you can out-hustle them, yes, but the focus should be on making plays.
@D J posted:When will Gary return to full strength? The 2024 season?
If you really want to be pessimistic, he’ll get his leg amputated next week. Happy?
Was listening to Nine to Noon with John Kuhn today. He took a couple of callers. The 1st said the Pack will exceed expectations and win 10 games. The next said it was unfair to put that much pressure on Love. He thought if the Packers win 5 games that would be great. So apparently they will suck at home as well as on the road. I'll go with 8 with a couple of late last play losses or 10 with a couple of last play wins.
@ammo posted:He ( Kuhn) thought if the Packers win 5 games that would be great.
Kuhn will always be a Rodgers mouthpiece; nothing rong with that
But Rodgers and Kuhn - need the Packers to suck next year - if the Packers don't fall apart without AR - that throws some unwanted shade their way.
Kuhn is a great guy, great Packer and very loyal.
If you like, you can hire him to speak at your next event event.
Sorry, bad writing. It was not Kuhn that said 5 wins, it was the next caller, Joe Poluka from Podunkville I guess. Kuhn thinks the Packer will go 9 wins or better.
Thx for the illumination Ammo, now we can hire Kuhn for a X4 chat
As long as he doesn't bring Brian Butch. We we'd never get a word in edgewise if Goldie came to the chat.
@Blair Kiel posted:Oops, my bad
This thread is actually about Jordan Love, not how much Kiel Loves Kiel.
It's not as if anybody else loves Kiel.
@ammo posted:As long as he doesn't bring Brian Butch. We we'd never get a word in edgewise if Goldie came to the chat.
I love Butch and everyone else on that show, but yeah Butch definitely is a talker especially when he gets excited about something. They do a really solid show in my opinion. Kuhn is very good as the lead host for it.
@Fedya posted:It's not as if anybody else loves Kiel.
I’m leaving.
Or I’m getting banned.
Irregardless, I’m taking you down with me.
If we all saved up for a couple months to toss in a $20 could we collectively get Kuhn to talk with us? Who among us should we trust to hold the money until we've collected enough?
@Blair Kiel posted:I’m leaving.
Or I’m getting banned.
Irregardless, I’m taking you down with me.
Didn't someone around here trademark irregardless?
@Shadow posted:Didn't someone around here trademark irregardless?
That would be Blair Kiel.
Other copyrights:
-“Because it’s football”.
-“You’re cute and all, but please go away.”
-“Hateful”
-“Icing cookies.”
-“Eeyore”
-“TM”
-“You people.”
Copyrights held by Sartori:
-“I have superior knowledge of the game of football…..and everything else.”
The over / under on wins is 7.5 so that "8" fits Ammo. Thinking about betting the over. The one thing that bothers me is Joe Barry.
(7) 1st rounders now on defense. We might see the 1996 Packer defense if we had any coaching.
Why haven't we heard what's up with Loves 5th year option?
Wasn't the deadline earlier today??
Edit: Teams must decide on to pick of a player's fifth-year option following the end of the player's third season but before May 3 of the following league year.
To me, the goal remains the same every year:
Win the home games and break even on the road. Now, 12-13 wins would be a lofty expectation, but there's nothing wrong with setting that goal.
Winning the division should also be a priority.
Division games (vs Fields, Cousins, and Stafford, for heaven's sake) should be where the defense really shines, dominates, and control the game, but I have no faith that Barry can make that happen.
One last thought, though certainly nothing new:
If our defense can keep us in games, Love will have a chance to win those, and that's how the Packers would get to 9-10 wins.
If he has to play catch-up, the 5-6 win predictions become more likely.
@Blair Kiel posted:Perhaps because with regard to athletics, I’m first chair here (😀) but I never played a damn competitive game without planning on winning it. Each season, the goal was to win EVERY DAMN GAME.
@Blair Kiel posted:…and after we got blown out in the first game…the goal was to win EVERY DAMN GAME left. 😀
Tell me about it.
My freshman year, we finished 0-11.
My sophomore year, we improved to 0-10-1!
We still had a goal to win every game, but had to be realistic when we played the high powered teams...