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@ammo posted:

Please give us some names of who they should pursue.

That’s a tired and lazy challenge. I don’t need to have a list of names in order to have the opinion that Greg Gard is a substandard coach. All I need to have for that is a little understanding of the game and a pair of fucking eyes. They’re independent discussions.

But here’s what I think they need: like Paul Chryst, the focus needs to be on securing in-state talent. Once Bo Ryan started doing that, the Badger program took off (Dekker, Showalter, Koenig). There’s more than enough in-state talent- ones that can meet the admissions standards, or whatever- that they can build a powerhouse program right here. I really don’t care to be the kings of Minneapolis- though hey, if you can keep that going, great- I want them to be the kings of Madison, Milwaukee, and the Fox Valley.

Then they need to actually budget to recruit in the state- aggressively pursue the top recruits. Bo Ryan’s program was FAMOUS for not really even having a recruiting budget. Allocate some of the VAST athletic program resources and support a full court press (pardon the pun) on the best in-state talent. That means direct connections and relationships with EVERY coach and AAU program in the state. Instead of bitching about AAU and arrogantly turning up your nose, embrace it. Be a player in the game.  

Then find a coach will be will committed to up tempo basketball. Instead of peach baskets and Naismith, think Westhead and Budenholzer- more possessions and let it fly. Above anything, this will be your greatest recruiting tool- a fun, high octane, pro style of play. But you need a coach that preaches the value of both ends. Striking that balance can turn UW into Gonzaga... and all with in-state talent.

I suggest they go after Bob Huggins.

After all, it appears as if he ate Andy Reid, so it'd be like a two-fer.

I mean, there are two coaching in the UW system right now having great success- Bob Semling and Pat Miller. That’s where they brought Bo Ryan from... from within the UW system. I don’t care about profile, and if their place in WI high school basketball is known, hey, pull the trigger.

Admittedly I know very little about these guys- my only point with these two names is you need to focus on WI, then work your way out.

Semling...

https://athletics.uwsp.edu/spo...hes/bob-semling/2600

Miller..

https://athletics.uwsp.edu/spo...hes/bob-semling/2600

They are both Smeling, the links. Thanks for posting though. Smeling’s resume is just like Bo’s. Hmmm!

Music City should head to Madison with his pitch and make it happen.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

Well....

I can't believe I forgot about that.

@Music City posted:

That’s a tired and lazy challenge.

So you say we need a new coach. I ask for names of someone better but that makes me tired and lazy.   Jesus H. Christ.  We know who the tired and lazy one is.   

As far as recuiting you want a new coach to recruit the best in Wisconsin but there may better players from out of state, not only Minnesota,  they should recruit. So which is it, an all Wisconsin team or a team of 4-5 star recruits?

Oh yeah @ammo- I know you... I know your style.

Here is what’s tired and old- asshats who don’t want to engage in the discussion- but rather shut it down- put a bullshit condition like “give me your list” in an attempt to avoid actually taking on the argument on merit.

It’s lazy because it doesn’t require them to argue against the point of view.

But I know how you and your ilk think- you don’t like discussion unless it’s in agreement with your own point of view. You want to muzzle everything that you either don’t like or, in this case, don’t understand. If you could, you would.

It’s not my fault you can’t see what is plain- that Greg Gard isn’t a good enough coach to lead a program that went to back to back Final Fours just 5 years ago. He’s not good enough to get them back. He’s so far over his head he’s wasted strong recruiting classes and talent, and he’s about to do it again. Top recruits leave the state EVERY YEAR because they don’t want to play in Gard’s bullshit version of the swing, and the ones that do join the program regress as they make their way through the program. Meanwhile, we get to watch unwatchable basketball and difference making players don’t want to be a part of it. And I don’t fuckin’ blame them.

So yeah- I want a coach who gets the program back where it was with Ryan- who has accomplished these things while also being one of the country’s best coaches. The Badgers never got out-coached. Now they get out-coached all the time- like today. Ryan did more with less talent than Gard has RIGHT FUCKING NOW, and when he had talent he went to BTB FFs.

The program needs change. They have talent. They don’t get better, and they aren’t being taught. Change my mind...

What’s troubling about Gard is he’s let a number of in state recruits get away and honestly I think the cat is out of the bag.  Decent prospects don’t want to come to Madison.

As for possible replacements, Dana Altman would have been near the top of my list prior to him getting a lengthy extension from Oregon.  Greg McDermott would be a decent candidate.  Same with Chris Beard.  

Wisconsin will rarely be able to compete with Duke or UNC for the really special Wisconsin High School players no matter who the coach is.

@Tschmack posted:

What’s troubling about Gard is he’s let a number of in state recruits get away and honestly I think the cat is out of the bag.  Decent prospects don’t want to come to Madison.

As for possible replacements, Dana Altman would have been near the top of my list prior to him getting a lengthy extension from Oregon.  Greg McDermott would be a decent candidate.  Same with Chris Beard.  

5-star, and most 4-star, prospects are not going to come to Madison. If they (or their entourages) think they are NBA-bound, they are going to go to Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, or a few other of those types of programs. There is probably a lot of under-the-table stuff with the shoe companies and agents and thankfully Wisconsin is never going to play that game, no matter who is the coach. Also, the players do actually have to go to class at places like Wisconsin. I know colleagues (non-sports fans) that work at Kentucky, Duke, and UNC who are thoroughly embarrassed by what happens there in terms of academics for these players.

We were justifiably disappointed in Nate Reuvers for his on-court performance this year, but the kid graduated in 3 years and will have a masters after this year. Pritzl ended up with a masters degree. Davison, Trice, etc. all graduated. Do you think Jalen Johnson, Diamond Stone, Kevon Looney, or Tyler Herro even remember a class they took in college?

I think we can all agree that the Badgers are never going to compete for one-and-dones, and I'm glad they don't. The question some like Music City ask is very relevant though and that's why player development seems to have regressed in the last 5 years. Davison and Reuvers weren't that much better as seniors than they were as freshman. You don't expect every player to be Frank Kaminsky and improve from a guy that can barely play in the Big 10 to a guy that will have a solid 7-10 year NBA career as a role player. However, you would hope you'd get some improvement. That hasn't happened.

I think the underlying problem (if you can call it that) is that the Badgers recruit a certain type of player. They value maturity and work ethic more than raw athletic ability. The problem is then that these guys are often close to finished products (other than strength as they age) when they get to Wisconsin as Freshman. Over the last decade, other than Frank Kaminsky almost all their players were already good as freshman. Nigel Hayes, Koenig, Davison, Reuvers, and to some extent even Sam Dekker didn't improve that much from their freshman years. Is that because they are already at 80% of their ceiling when they arrive or is that because Wisconsin has lost the ability to develop them? If it's the former, it probably doesn't matter who the coach is and you'll have to get a little messier in the recruitment wars to get some more NBA-level athletes that may bust. If it's the latter, then Gard should be replaced.

The Badgers had a number of decent prospects under Bo Ryan- many 4 star guys like Dekker, Krabbenhoft, Steinsma,  Jason Bohannon, Jon Leuer, Trevon Hughes, Bronson Koenig, Jordan Taylor, and obviously Brian Butch who was actually a 5 star guy.

Nate Reuvers is probably in that class but never improved.  

Maybe Herro wouldn’t have stayed but what about the Hauser brothers?   They had two different opportunities including transfer from Marquette and wanted nothing to do with UW.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

5-star, and most 4-star, prospects are not going to come to Madison. If they (or their entourages) think they are NBA-bound, they are going to go to Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, or a few other of those types of programs. There is probably a lot of under-the-table stuff with the shoe companies and agents and thankfully Wisconsin is never going to play that game, no matter who is the coach. Also, the players do actually have to go to class at places like Wisconsin. I know colleagues (non-sports fans) that work at Kentucky, Duke, and UNC who are thoroughly embarrassed by what happens there in terms of academics for these players.

I don’t buy this idea that there are only two categories of player: 4 year guys and one-and-dones. There are lots of layers. And of course recruiting in IL, IA, and MN (and anywhere else you can create an inroad) are important. But again, the program has lots of money, and all we get is lots of excuses. When your coach is at the Bo Ryan level (yes, this is the standard) you can get guys that “fit your program” and then catch lightning in a bottle.

But if you look around, Duke, Kentucky, UNC... not so good. Coach K? 74 years old. Willams? 70.  Calipari? 62. The time is now to create your own “Duke, Kentucky, UNC”. Your program has all the things that are needed infra-structurally: money, conference, profile, campus, prestige, recent success.

In 1990, sure- tough to build a program like that. But Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan did the heavy lifting. The legacy powers are shifting. Time to make a move. Then you might just keep a few of those in-state top guys.

So if Tony Bennett is that guy because he’s a legacy WI guy, pull the trigger. Roy Williams was winning at Kansas, yet he still took his “dream job” at UNC. If that’s the guy, so be it. Maybe not an up tempo guy like I’d like, but a guy with a natty is better than what we have now.

@Music City posted:

I don’t buy this idea that there are only two categories of player: 4 year guys and one-and-dones. There are lots of layers. And of course recruiting in IL, IA, and MN (and anywhere else you can create an inroad) are important. But again, the program has lots of money, and all we get is lots of excuses. When your coach is at the Bo Ryan level (yes, this is the started) you can get guys that “fit your program” and then catch lightning in a bottle.

But if you look around, Duke, Kentucky, UNC... not so good. Coach K? 74 years old. Willams? 70.  Calipari? 62. The time is now to create your own “Duke, Kentucky, UNC”. Your program has all the things that are needed infra-structurally: money, conference, profile, campus, prestige, recent success.

In 1990, sure- tough to build a program like that. But Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan did the heavy lifting. The legacy powers are shifting. Time to make a move. Then you might just keep a few of those in-state top guys.

So if Tony Bennett is that guy because he’s a legacy WI guy, pull the trigger. Roy Williams was winning at Kansas, yet he still took his “dream job” at UNC. If that’s the guy, so be it. Maybe not an up tempo guy like I’d like, but a guy with a natty is better than what we have now.

If Tony was a Madison alum I'd think it was slightly more likely. He grew up in Stevens Point and Green Bay. He was Ryan's assistant for 4 years in Madison, but I would doubt it's a huge draw for him.

For better or worse, I think Gard is safe for quite a while. I agree with you that his ceiling is pretty low, but he's certainly not a bad coach. He'll probably get you to the NCAA tournament most years and occasionally get to a Sweet 16. I think he's much more like Dick Bennett than we'd like to admit. Dick was at Wisconsin for 6 years and his teams did not win an NCAA tournament game in 5 of those 6 years. They caught lightning in a bottle during the Final 4 run with a team that barely made the tournament and it really came down to one signature game. They beat the #1 seed Arizona in a game that they had no business even being in (Arizona had Gilbert Arenas, Richard Jefferson, and Luke Walton). Other than that tourney run (and even during that tourney run), Bennett's teams were filled with try-hard guys that wouldn't have looked out of place at a good D2 or D3 school. In other words, a lot like Gard's teams.

As a kid that grew up going to UWSP games during the Terry Porter era, and that went to basketball camps run by both Dick and Jack Bennett it pains me to say this, but Bo Ryan was a MUCH better coach than Dick.

You could argue the only reason we got Bo was due to a one-minute stretch in the Georgia State game in the tourney. Dick stepped down 3 games into the 2000-01 year so that Brad Soderberg would replace him. Soderberg's team was 18-11 that year and were up 16 against Georgia State at one point and were up 5 with less than a minute left. Then, a Georgia State player hit and three and got fouled for a 4 point play. The Badgers turned the ball over and then Georgia State went ahead. Still, with 3 seconds left and the Badgers down 1, Verhaw gets fouled but misses BOTH FTs. That was the game. If Verhaw hits those, the Badgers win and there is a lot more pressure to bring Soderberg back.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/g...rally-stuns-badgers/

Ryan did the same thing Dick did by resigning partway into a year and set his assistant up for the job. Of course, Bo was really literally caught with his pants down and could see the writing on the way, but that's another story. As opposed to Soderberg, Gard squeaks out his first tournament game (a brutal to watch 47-43 win against Pitt and where at one point Wisconsin had scored 13 points in the first 18 minutes and was down 9), gets to the Sweet 16, and then gets the long-term deal. If Gard loses to Pitt is he back? Do they do a real search and get Tony or someone else? Maybe, but it didn't happen and they aren't going to do anything with Gard until he has 2-3 really poor years in a row. I think he's too good a coach to completely crater out, but not good enough a recruiter to get much better, so they'll be like this for many years to come.

Iowa getting their asses handed to them... B1G with a rather embarrassing showing in the 2021 NCAA Tournament. 2 #1s and 2 #2s and only Michigan has a shot to survive the first weekend.

B1G, as usual, highly overrated. Michigan will be knocked out tonight.

Down to the Big 2

I think context matters

When Dick Bennett arrived in Wisconsin it was still pretty much a wasteland for college basketball.   They had been to the tournament like once in 40 years.  It’s not like the bar was set really high.  

To me, the Badgers 2000 Final Four run was one of the most impressive feats in Wisconsin sports history, and a lot of credit goes to Bennett.  For sure, he was criticized for style of play but much like Vince Lombardi it was about simplicity and precision and execution.  It’s interesting how Bennett’s defensive schemes (packing the paint) have carried over into the pros - especially against teams defending Giannis lol.

Bo Ryan took an ascending program to entirely new levels and put them on the national map.   Yes, he had his issues but the Badgers got respect and in some cases were feared the way they got after it by taking on the personality of their head coach  - tough, in your face, and relentless.  Not unlike a certain guy that coaches in East Lansing.

Fast forward to Greg Gard and he got them to two Sweet Sixteen’s his first two years but since then?  1 tournament win.  That’s not good enough folks.  We can and should do better.

Bennett and Ryan proved that you can win and win big in Madison in hoops and they are in a decent spot.  Chicagoland, the Twin Cities, and exposure out East should net them decent recruits not to mention the state of Wisconsin and Iowa and nearby Michigan has decent recruits now and then.  The Kohl Center is a great facility as well.  So there really are no excuses why you can’t be decent but time is running short.  If Minnesota ever gets their act together they can win by farming talent out of the TWC.  Illinois and Iowa have improved dramatically and MSU and Michigan have basically closed off that state.  So how can Gard compete against that?   What’s his sales pitch?  He’s DOA before he even arrives and sits down at the dinner table with a kid and his parents.  

By the way, you think Oregon is a more appealing basketball destination than Wisconsin?  Yet there’s Dana Altman winning again.  He would have looked good in Madison but the Badgers blew their chance when he Ducks extended him a couple of years ago.  

Garza put it all on the line in this game... what an effort. Just didn’t have enough around him.

@Tschmack posted:

By the way, you think Oregon is a more appealing basketball destination than Wisconsin?  Yet there’s Dana Altman winning again.  He would have looked good in Madison but the Badgers blew their chance when he Ducks extended him a couple of years ago.  

Yes. Oregon sports has Nike money. It's a huge advantage.

Can we finally put to bed how great the Big Ten was this year?  

Wow, really good points here.  Really gets ya thinking.

I'm torn.  If not Gard, who?  I like Altman as well and plays a style that could attract different talent.  But, absolutely correct, can't compete with Nike money.

The Bennet/Soderberg and Ryan/Gard transitions are eerily similar.

Great point about student athletes truly are students first at UW.  In the end, isn't that what college is supposed to be about?  Get a degree while playing a sport?  If not, blow the whole mfing thing up and go to a farm system.

I hate to use "sources" but a buddy in Stevens Point mentioned the Hauser's didn't look at UW after Sam wasn't recruited by UW.  When they came for Joey, the writing was on the wall.  Ill will/feelings.  IMO that's how Marquette ended up with both. They offered Sam to get Joey.  (Kinda like Marq doing the same to get Ellenson).  Sam isn't a slouch, but at the time, Joey was viewed with the higher ceiling.  Now, Joey is a nice player, but wow, I think he regressed this year at MSU.

@Music City posted:

Iowa getting their asses handed to them... B1G with a rather embarrassing showing in the 2021 NCAA Tournament. 2 #1s and 2 #2s and only Michigan has a shot to survive the first weekend.

Guess I’m rooting for the 101 YO nun’s team.....Loyola-Chicago.  

@EC Pack posted:

Wow, really good points here.  Really gets ya thinking.

I'm torn.  If not Gard, who?  I like Altman as well and plays a style that could attract different talent.  But, absolutely correct, can't compete with Nike money.

The Bennet/Soderberg and Ryan/Gard transitions are eerily similar.

Great point about student athletes truly are students first at UW.  In the end, isn't that what college is supposed to be about?  Get a degree while playing a sport?  If not, blow the whole mfing thing up and go to a farm system.

I hate to use "sources" but a buddy in Stevens Point mentioned the Hauser's didn't look at UW after Sam wasn't recruited by UW.  When they came for Joey, the writing was on the wall.  Ill will/feelings.  IMO that's how Marquette ended up with both. They offered Sam to get Joey.  (Kinda like Marq doing the same to get Ellenson).  Sam isn't a slouch, but at the time, Joey was viewed with the higher ceiling.  Now, Joey is a nice player, but wow, I think he regressed this year at MSU.

So Wisconsin learned their lesson and applied it to the recruitment of the Davis twins?

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

So Wisconsin learned their lesson and applied it to the recruitment of the Davis twins?

Makes sense... especially if there’s some truth to the Hauser story.

Yeah, maybe.  I don’t have any LAX sources.  😂

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

Yes. Oregon sports has Nike money. It's a huge advantage.

UW has football... 90,000 seats with boosters and BTN revenue flow and a state of the art arena they didn’t pay a dime for. They also have the state of WI taxpayer, who foots the bill for everything. Get your money’s worth, WI taxpayers!

Sam Hauser has had arguably a better career than Joey Hauser.  Regardless, it’s amazing that Wisconsin didn’t even recruit Sam given he was Mr. Basketball in the state in 2016.  Some might say that’s more on Bo Ryan than Greg Gard, but Sam was on record saying he wanted to play closer to home.

Obviously now it’s water under the bridge, and Marquette screwed the pooch by playing him at the 4.  While Woj was a great recruiter, he was a terrible x and o guy.  Sam has gotten real coaching from Tony B and it shows. Instead of being a spot up 3pt guy, Bennett had him play more motion coming off screens and making shots.  Could you imagine that guy with UW??

I won’t be shocked if Sam finds himself in the NBA as a decent role player.  He’s got size and can shoot and is probably a much better athlete than people give him credit for.

As for Altman and Oregon, he’s a fish that got away.  Oregon wasn’t much of a program before he got there and they’ve done extremely well lately.

@Tschmack posted:

Sam Hauser has had arguably a better career than Joey Hauser.  Regardless, it’s amazing that Wisconsin didn’t even recruit Sam given he was Mr. Basketball in the state in 2016.  Some might say that’s more on Bo Ryan than Greg Gard, but Sam was on record saying he wanted to play closer to home.

Obviously now it’s water under the bridge, and Marquette screwed the pooch by playing him at the 4.  While Woj was a great recruiter, he was a terrible x and o guy.  Sam has gotten real coaching from Tony B and it shows. Instead of being a spot up 3pt guy, Bennett had him play more motion coming off screens and making shots.  Could you imagine that guy with UW??

I won’t be shocked if Sam finds himself in the NBA as a decent role player.  He’s got size and can shoot and is probably a much better athlete than people give him credit for.

Sam Hauser and Halliburton are two guys that probably would have gone to Wisconsin and made a huge difference. And they didn't even make an attempt for either.

On another Hauser note, how'd you like to be Wojciechowksi? You look like a genius recruiting both and then they both leave after they find out Markus Howard is coming back for another year because they don't want to stand around on offense and watch him jack up 20 shots a game. Howard comes back and averages 28 a game and is a first team All-American and you have a chance for a run in the tourney, but the COVID hits. The next year, you would have had both Hausers as upperclassmen, but they are both gone and now you go 13-14 and Marquette fires you. If he would have had all 3 in 2019-20 that's a powerhouse. If he'd have had both Hausers this year he still has a job. So, what really happened at Marquette for both of them to leave? Was it really just about not wanting to play with Howard?

Speaking of Marquette, if they get a real coach and someone that can recruit they will also put in dent in Wisconsin’s plans.  It helps when you have Dwayne Wade and Jimmy Buckets and Jae Crowder and Wes Matthews making it and playing well in the NBA.  

Woj can recruit, that’s for sure.

In the last 5 years, he’s had about a dozen 4 star guys and Ellensen who was a 5 star guy.  This years class looked pretty good as well.  

But you are right - as a coach he played guys out of position, didn’t prepare well, and obviously didn’t motivate and develop guys much.  I mean, Howard was an elite level scorer.  That 2018/2019 team should have made a deep run and they lose in R1 to Murray State by 21?   Yes the Racers had Ja Morant but damn.

Find out whatever he does to land these kids and do that!

I'm not saying this is the case but what if it leads to NCAA sanctions?   

And all I hear is Bo Ryan this and Bo Ryan that.  But he walked away, no one fired him.  And Greg Gard was his hand picked replacement.  If Ryan couldn't see Gard's shortcomings after working with him for years how good of an evaluator was Bo Ryan?

Sanctions?  What the hell are you talking about?   Are you suggesting Marquette was breaking the rules?  That’s funny because the NCAA could give 2 shits about the Warriors so guess not.  

Bo Ryan isn’t the first person to have a blind spot.  But dammit this is like Tesla or Apple promoting a middle manager to CEO to run it into the ground.

Where the fuck was St. Barry?  He’s the goddamn AD.  He should have opened up an official job search instead just handing the job over to Gard.  That’s not on Ryan.  Barry Alvarez could have stepped in at any time.  But he didn’t. So this is on him.

I clearly stated this is not the case, but M C said do whatever it takes to get the top guys.

Below is the top All State players from Wisconsin high school BB recently completed season.  Are any of these guys top propects?  I really have no idea on any of them.  I'm sure many of you follow high school sports more than I do  or maybe are from the home area of these guys and have watched them play.

FIRST TEAM

*Tyrese Hunter, 6-1, sr., Racine St. Catherine’s

*David Joplin, 6-7, sr., Brookfield Central

*Brandin Podziemski, 6-6, sr., Delafield St. John’s Northwestern Academies

Kamari McGee, 6-0, sr., Racine St. Catherine’s

Preston Ruedinger, 6-2, sr., Oshkosh Lourdes Academy

*unanimous

SECOND TEAM

Hayden Doyle, 6-2, sr., Brookfield East

Cam Palesse, 6-5, sr., Waukesha West

Jackson Paveletzke, 6-1, jr., Kimberly

Seth Trimble, 6-3, jr., Menomonee Falls

Donald McHenry, 6-4, sr., Milwaukee Academy of Science

THIRD TEAM

Cade Meyer, 6-8, sr., Monroe

Max Weisbrod, 6-3, jr., DeForest

Kobe Johnson, 6-5, sr., Glendale Nicolet

Joe Reuter, 6-5, sr., Chippewa Falls

Jayden Jackson, 6-3, sr., Whitefish Bay

@ammo posted:

I clearly stated this is not the case, but M C said do whatever it takes to get the top guys.

Below is the top All State players from Wisconsin high school BB recently completed season.  Are any of these guys top propects?  I really have no idea on any of them.  I'm sure many of you follow high school sports more than I do  or maybe are from the home area of these guys and have watched them play.

FIRST TEAM

*Tyrese Hunter, 6-1, sr., Racine St. Catherine’s (4-star, Iowa State)

*David Joplin, 6-7, sr., Brookfield Central (4-star - Texas)

*Brandin Podziemski, 6-6, sr., Delafield St. John’s Northwestern Academies (3-star, Illinois or Kentucky)

Kamari McGee, 6-0, sr., Racine St. Catherine’s (unrated, UWGB)

Preston Ruedinger, 6-2, sr., Oshkosh Lourdes Academy (unrated, D2 Offers)

*unanimous

SECOND TEAM

Hayden Doyle, 6-2, sr., Brookfield East

Cam Palesse, 6-5, sr., Waukesha West

Jackson Paveletzke, 6-1, jr., Kimberly

Seth Trimble, 6-3, jr., Menomonee Falls (4-star, Wisconsin has offered)

Donald McHenry, 6-4, sr., Milwaukee Academy of Science

THIRD TEAM

Cade Meyer, 6-8, sr., Monroe

Max Weisbrod, 6-3, jr., DeForest

Kobe Johnson, 6-5, sr., Glendale Nicolet (Senior, 3-star, USC)

Joe Reuter, 6-5, sr., Chippewa Falls

Jayden Jackson, 6-3, sr., Whitefish Bay

See above. Bolded names are 3-stars (plus one 2-star guy).

The #4 player (5-star) in the country is Patrick Baldwin and he got injured halfway through the year (a 6'10 kid from Sussex). He's going to play for his father, the UW-Milwaukee head coach or at Duke.

https://247sports.com/Season/2...hschool&State=WI

@Goalline posted:

. Michigan will be knocked out tonight.

Nope.

Thanks MP2.   Below is a link to a 24-7 article that gives quite a write up on the 2021-22 Badgers.   Not sure how accurate it is but it has a lot of info. 

https://247sports.com/Article/...ven-Crowl-162617378/

@scottgb posted:

Nope.

To be fair, I’m always wrong😅