Tramon ?
FWIW, @HighRizer22 played for Pettine in CLE. He’s also coming off a terrific season for ARZ at the age of 34. Wanted Ted to sign him last spring. Maybe a reunion in 2018?
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) January 10, 2018
Heard some question whether his defense is too complex, which was also a criticism of Capers. Really think there was a bit of of a disconnect between TT and Capers on personnel that hopefully won't exist with the changes.
The only disconnect was between Capers and his players
What Boris said. Complex scheme is fine but get players on the same page. Intensive coaching needed. Most of the current assistants need to go.
His scheme wasn't complex. It was highly predictable. So much so, opposing players told Packer defenders they knew exactly what Dom was about to call (see Detroit game, see Carolina game where Cam told it to Clay's face, then proceeded to throw a TD).
Did any OC lose an ounce of sleep facing Capers? Highly doubt it.
The Capers/Lebeau 34 is known for being pretty complex.
I became numb this season when the other team had third and anything. Just depressing how consistently they converted.
Completely agree with DH13. It was just too easy to convert on 3rd down.
Henry posted:What Boris said. Complex scheme is fine but get players on the same page. Intensive coaching needed. Most of the current assistants need to go.
All?
packerboi posted:His scheme wasn't complex. It was highly predictable. So much so, opposing players told Packer defenders they knew exactly what Dom was about to call (see Detroit game, see Carolina game where Cam told it to Clay's face, then proceeded to throw a TD).
Did any OC lose an ounce of sleep facing Capers? Highly doubt it.
Most lost sleep, the way a kid losses sleep on Christmas Eve.
The inability to recognize and defend the screen pass was maddening.
Maddening.
Capers used a relatively complex scheme that involved attempting to disguise coverages and confuse the opponent. Problem was often the only ones confused appeared to be wearing green and gold. I do expect to see less of drafting square pegs and expecting the DC to fit them into round holes as was the case with TT.
Not to flip topics, but I'd like to see that same philosophy adopted on the offensive side too, for example the OL. Drafting a T or a guard or a C then telling him, "oh let's try you at a position you never played" is, well, stupid.
Barclay was a whipping boy with many Packer fans but he should never been a tackle. His best position was Center, and actually, he was fairly competent there. MM did a lot of square pegs into round holes on offense too.
The coach should make his scheme fit the players he has.
Pretty much everything I've read about Pettine is he does exactly that, weekly. Jim Leonard was on with Tauscher and Wilde this morning and he said Pettine was always scheming based on opponent and which players were healthy each week. Always looking to maximize match-ups.
No more 'We do what we do.' BS.
Grave Digger posted:That defense had the right players at key positions also. It has a smart veteran FS in Jim Leonard, two good ILBs (Bart Scott, David Harris), a good NT (Sione Pouha), and 2 good CBs (Revis, Cromartie). Calvin Pace was their best pass rusher and he only had 5 sacks. We have to get better at FS, CB, and ILB next to Mart. That’s the priority.
Player by player
- Leonhard / Burnett &/or Haha
- Scott & Harris / Martinez & Clay
- Pouha / Clark or Daniels
- Revis & Cro / Randall & Rollins or FA? (I think Rollins is better than most of you)
Color me Mr. Optimism but I don't think it's as far off as you're implying in your post here.
Hungry5 posted:No more 'We do what we do.' BS.
...and the heavens parted....& there was light
packerboi posted:Tramon ?
FWIW, @HighRizer22 played for Pettine in CLE. He’s also coming off a terrific season for ARZ at the age of 34. Wanted Ted to sign him last spring. Maybe a reunion in 2018?
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) January 10, 2018
For the veteran minimum as a camp body yes.
“He’s the smartest guy in the room,” Rex Ryan said.
Now there's a ringing endorsement. Right there with "he'll beat me in a foot race."
Brainwashed Boris posted:Player by player
- Leonhard / Burnett &/or Haha
- Scott & Harris / Martinez & Clay
- Pouha / Clark or Daniels
- Revis & Cro / Randall & Rollins King or FA or draft pick? (I think Rollins is better than most of you)
Color me Mr. Optimism but I don't think it's as far off as you're implying in your post here.
I think you'll see a different KK next season. He flashed ability and played hurt most of the year.
The complexity of scheme is bull$hit, and quite frankly, unnecessary. The best defenses are ones that play fast. The only way you can play fast is to have guys understand what they are doing.
If that means checking your ego at the door, and dumbing down the playbook, so be it. Buddy Ryan did that back in the 80's with the Bears when he had his leaders on D tell him guys didn't know what he was talking about.
That move alone elevated the Bears D to legendary.
Complexity is fine if you have the team that can digest it and executes it. If you don't have that, then you have the Domfense.
Yes, Good call DH13.
I wasn't going through our entire roster & I did forget about King. I hope his shoulder doesn't hold him back. He has outstanding confidence & I really like the way he plays
Leonard talks Pettine with Tauscher and Wilde
JL talked more about Pettine using a players strength versus complex schemes.
PackFoo posted:“He’s the smartest guy in the room,” Rex Ryan said.
Now there's a ringing endorsement. Right there with "he'll beat me in a foot race."
More from Rexy.
“This guy is going to give you the gamut. We have a philosophy, and Mike has it, it’s a 'KILL' philosophy -- keep it likable and learnable -- and that’s what we do, and that team is going to play fast and play physical, and I can’t wait to watch them.”
Ryan comes across as a buffoon, but he knows defenses, and I like this comment.
Hungry5 posted:Ryan comes across as a buffoon, but he knows defenses, and I like this comment.
And vajankles.
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DH13 posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:Player by player
- Leonhard / Burnett &/or Haha
- Scott & Harris / Martinez & Clay
- Pouha / Clark or Daniels
- Revis & Cro / Randall & Rollins King or FA or draft pick? (I think Rollins is better than most of you)
Color me Mr. Optimism but I don't think it's as far off as you're implying in your post here.
I think you'll see a different KK next season. He flashed ability and played hurt most of the year.
I think King played his best when he was in one on one coverage and not in a zone scheme. Hopefully, his shoulder is healed by the time camp comes around.
He was drafted to be a press-man cover corner because of his size and length. Tough to press with one good shoulder.
PackFoo posted:The complexity of scheme is bull$hit, and quite frankly, unnecessary. The best defenses are ones that play fast. The only way you can play fast is to have guys understand what they are doing.
If that means checking your ego at the door, and dumbing down the playbook, so be it. Buddy Ryan did that back in the 80's with the Bears when he had his leaders on D tell him guys didn't know what he was talking about.
That move alone elevated the Bears D to legendary.
Complexity is fine if you have the team that can digest it and executes it. If you don't have that, then you have the Domfense.
But but. NASCAR?
Goalline posted:PackFoo posted:The complexity of scheme is bull$hit, and quite frankly, unnecessary. The best defenses are ones that play fast. The only way you can play fast is to have guys understand what they are doing.
If that means checking your ego at the door, and dumbing down the playbook, so be it. Buddy Ryan did that back in the 80's with the Bears when he had his leaders on D tell him guys didn't know what he was talking about.
That move alone elevated the Bears D to legendary.
Complexity is fine if you have the team that can digest it and executes it. If you don't have that, then you have the Domfense.
But but. NASCAR?
Skidded off the track long ago.
Rex Ryan on Packers new defensive boss Mike Pettine: 'He'll be best coordinator in league'
Brainwashed Boris posted:Grave Digger posted:That defense had the right players at key positions also. It has a smart veteran FS in Jim Leonard, two good ILBs (Bart Scott, David Harris), a good NT (Sione Pouha), and 2 good CBs (Revis, Cromartie). Calvin Pace was their best pass rusher and he only had 5 sacks. We have to get better at FS, CB, and ILB next to Mart. That’s the priority.
Player by player
- Leonhard / Burnett &/or Haha
- Scott & Harris / Martinez & Clay
- Pouha / Clark or Daniels
- Revis & Cro / Randall & Rollins or FA? (I think Rollins is better than most of you)
Color me Mr. Optimism but I don't think it's as far off as you're implying in your post here.
Yes I think it's fair that Rollins is a better CB than most of us, Blair's soccer background might give him an edge. You're really reaching comparing Randall/Rollins/King to Revis and Cro. Those guys were in their prime and were dominant. Randall is the only guy I would trust to cover a #1 receiver and even then lets hope it's like James Jones circa 2015 #1 receiver. Burnett is the SS at this point, Dix doesn't have an ounce of the savvy and awareness that Leonard had. Rotate Clay at OLB and find a true ILB also, preferably a younger one that can grow.
I’d take BK over Rollins in a foot race. They’d both get smoked by Jesse Owens’ corpse though.
HHCD isn't even in Chuck Cecil territory. Will be interesting to see what happens with him now.
Very funny about Rollins.
Dix doesn't have an ounce of the savvy and awareness that Leonard had.
I think you need to go back to 2016 & watch him. Talk to me in January of 2019 & let's see where we are at.
Haha ain't going anywhere.
Every player will be accountable now.
It's more a matter of value as relates to the salary cap for guys like Burnett. That's Russ Ball territory.
R MaN posted:Rex Ryan on Packers new defensive boss Mike Pettine: 'He'll be best coordinator in league'
Rex isn't known for his over the top statements so this is really something.
I am a big fan of being able to run a defense that you can teach and guys can pick it up.
I used my beloved Fresno State as an example.
In 2016 our defense was horrendous. Coaches fired, new HC, new DC.
Hires the #1 DC in the CFL who is looking to break into the American game. Everyone that played for him or worked with him said he's an incredible teacher and game planner.
In one year, the turnaround was monumental, and Fresno State went from 1-11 in 2016 to 10-4 in 2017...with the same guys on defense. Throughout the season you would hear players after big performances say "Coach O is a great teacher, we play fast because we know where we are supposed to be. We make tackles because we are in the right positions."
A great coordinator who hires assistants that can teach, and get guys in the right position to make plays can elevate an entire squad. I'm hoping Pettine is that guy.
For those interested below is a 2016 to 2017 comparison using some key defensive stats. (Numbers are the national rank out of 126 FBS teams)
2016
Rushing D - 105
Passing D - 123
Total Defense - 68
Scoring Defense - 83
Sacks - 117
3rd Down Conversion D - 80
4th Down Conversion D - 120
Red Zone D - 59
Turnovers Gained - 126
Interceptions - 117
2017
Rushing D - 11
Passing D - 44
Total Defense - 15
Scoring Defense - 10
Sacks - 35
3rd Down Conversion D - 33
4th Down Conversion D - 5
Red Zone D - 75
Turnovers Gained - 44
Interceptions - 77
Music City posted:I know it was Cleveland and all... and their D was pretty good all things being equal, it seems a bit underwhelming. Apparently Fangio not interested, or maybe he wanted a bidding war.
Crazy part- Wikipedia already updated. Wtf...
A year later, Pettine's meteoric rise culminated with the Browns' head-coaching job. He went 10-22 and was fired after two seasons.
“That record he has in Cleveland looks pretty good now,” Ryan said. “The guy there is going to have to coach 10 years to get that many wins.” ESPN.com
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