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”Pettine’s hiring comes at a time when coaches have to make a philosophical call about their defensive schemes: Do they lean toward the simple, so players are sure about their assignments and adjustments, but the offense knows what’s coming? Or do they lean complex to maximize offensive confusion but with the greater risk of coverage mistakes?
“This is the decision making that can make or break coaches,” said an offensive assistant for an NFL team I talked with Wednesday.
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Capers was on the complex side, which produced good results in ’09 and ’10. But as the talent declined — Woodson and later Matthews to age, Nick Collins and Sam Shields to career-ending injuries — the coverage, assignment and technique errors grew. That probably as much as anything got Capers fired.
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By choosing Pettine, who runs Ryan’s defense, McCarthy is staying on the complicated end of the spectrum.
Multiple coverages, looks and blitzes present challenges, which the assistant coach talked through Wednesday. He hadn’t faced a Pettine defense for several years but has gone against Capers regularly over the years and spoke of the difficulty preparing for everything Capers might use. The coach and his colleagues always worried that they’d diluted their practice reps trying to be ready for everything they might see. It was a real problem.
But he’d still prefer to face that than a simpler defense that rarely blew coverages.”
It’s almost like opposing coaches think there were execution issues in our defense? Let’s hope Pettine can find the balance of complexity that causes problems for other teams, but is simple enough to allow our guys to execute properly.
he's gone now GD, you don't need to manufacture reasons he sucked so bad anymore
Hilarious Comment by Rex Ryan:
A year later, Pettine's meteoric rise culminated with the Browns' head-coaching job. He went 10-22 and was fired after two seasons.
“That record he has in Cleveland looks pretty good now,” Ryan said. “The guy there is going to have to coach 10 years to get that many wins.”
I swear NFL teams just make this shi* up in job titles. I didn't know this "job" existed:
Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein
#Packers assistant coach Joe Whitt Jr. will remain with the team in an elevated role of defensive passing game coordinator. It's a promotion for him and a logical move after not getting the D-coordinator job. Should help his career a lot.
Grave Digger posted:https://amp.packersnews.com/am...tter_impression=true
By choosing Pettine, who runs Ryan’s defense, McCarthy is staying on the complicated end of the spectrum.
Idiots. They should listen to what Jim Leonard had to say about Pettine's defenses being complicated.
Two words come to my mind when I think of him. Flexibility. His system will be flexible to find the most talented play-makers and the match-ups week in and week out. And then the Creativity, in order to put those guys in position to make plays on a consistent basis.
Responding to this flexibility and creativity causing communication problems, especially with youth - i.e. Capers' problem
You have to know your team and know who you're play-makers are, and your weaknesses. With youth you can't do everything. In BUF there was a ton of youth, the creativity was getting the play-makers into 1:1.
KILL - Keep It Likeable and Learnable - the anti square peg round hole
If Jim Leonard has formed his defensive philosophy based on what he learned from Pettine I'm all in on this guy. I for one can't wait for the 2018 preseason, season and playoffs. I'm also hoping Pettine is the reincarnation of Fritz Shurmer.
Nice article on Pettine.
El-Ka-Bong posted:he's gone now GD, you don't need to manufacture reasons he sucked so bad anymore
Seriously? I’m going to miss your brilliant analysis about everything from defense to the weather being Dom Capers fault.Your myopia taught me so much.
It's his fault I might need a toupe as well
DH13 posted:Wow, that's a helluva article by Bukowski. Wonder if he ever posts lottery number predictions.
I hope this is sarcasm. 
packerboi posted:I swear NFL teams just make this shi* up in job titles. I didn't know this "job" existed:
Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein
#Packers assistant coach Joe Whitt Jr. will remain with the team in an elevated role of defensive passing game coordinator. It's a promotion for him and a logical move after not getting the D-coordinator job. Should help his career a lot.
It's a position that's been around for years, both offense and defense.
*https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2017/2/13/14606176/vaughn-mcclure-atlanta-falcons-to-retain-defensive-passing-game-coordinator-jerome-henderson
*http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4749589/cowboys-name-matt-eberflus-pass-game-coordinator-for-defense
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztgesEwC8sg
I don't care as long as Super Secret Asst to the Asst HC Moss is gone.
SSA2AHC MOSS
Look at any recent team photo and you'll see about as many "coaches" as players. It's surprising teams don't have a personal coach for every player -- paid for by the team. The bottom one is 2017.
A good portion of defense at ANY level of football is emotion.
Some coaches get it...and some don't. If there is one thing you can say about the Ryan's.. they "get it"... so Rex's comments go a long way with me.
I'd love to see a dogpack style of bloodthirst come back to a Green Bay defense.
Oh happy day...this is as good of a change as we can hope for.
Things are looking up.
Packers are getting a Ryan, without all the Ryan collateral. Or so it seems.
The more I read and hear about Pettine, the more I like the hire. With his passion, ability to motivate, proven schemes, and willingness to evaluate each player and focus on their individual strengths/weaknesses, I think he's going to be a significant upgrade. I'm thrilled.
oldschool posted:A good portion of defense at ANY level of football is emotion.
Some coaches get it...and some don't. If there is one thing you can say about the Ryan's.. they "get it"... so Rex's comments go a long way with me.
I'd love to see a dogpack style of bloodthirst come back to a Green Bay defense.
Oh happy day...this is as good of a change as we can hope for.
Things are looking up.
I have said for years the one thing that is missing from the Packers defense is that "edge" or nastiness you see in other teams. They always seem to be going backwards on defense. But, I think that is going to change now everything I hear about this guy he gets max effort out of them and they play an aggressive style of defense. I for one will be so happy to see it if it happens and I agree I feel like things are looking up.
Grave Digger posted:https://amp.packersnews.com/am...tter_impression=true
”Pettine’s hiring comes at a time when coaches have to make a philosophical call about their defensive schemes: Do they lean toward the simple, so players are sure about their assignments and adjustments, but the offense knows what’s coming? Or do they lean complex to maximize offensive confusion but with the greater risk of coverage mistakes?
“This is the decision making that can make or break coaches,” said an offensive assistant for an NFL team I talked with Wednesday.
...
Capers was on the complex side, which produced good results in ’09 and ’10. But as the talent declined — Woodson and later Matthews to age, Nick Collins and Sam Shields to career-ending injuries — the coverage, assignment and technique errors grew. That probably as much as anything got Capers fired.
...
By choosing Pettine, who runs Ryan’s defense, McCarthy is staying on the complicated end of the spectrum.
Multiple coverages, looks and blitzes present challenges, which the assistant coach talked through Wednesday. He hadn’t faced a Pettine defense for several years but has gone against Capers regularly over the years and spoke of the difficulty preparing for everything Capers might use. The coach and his colleagues always worried that they’d diluted their practice reps trying to be ready for everything they might see. It was a real problem.
But he’d still prefer to face that than a simpler defense that rarely blew coverages.”
It’s almost like opposing coaches think there were execution issues in our defense? Let’s hope Pettine can find the balance of complexity that causes problems for other teams, but is simple enough to allow our guys to execute properly.
Capers was on the complex side, which produced good results in ’09 and ’10. But as the talent declined — Woodson and later Matthews to age, Nick Collins and Sam Shields to career-ending injuries — the coverage, assignment and technique errors grew. That probably as much as anything got Capers fired.
At the other end of the spectrum is Pete Carroll’s defense in Seattle, which is spreading through the NFL as his assistants get jobs elsewhere. It might be the simplest in the league, but his players know what they’re supposed to do each week because they don’t have so many combinations of matchups to remember. (Of course, having Michael Bennett, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor and Bobby Wagner matters, too.)
New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for using radically different game plans from week to week, even morphing between 3-4 and 4-3 alignments. But according to the aforementioned coach, Belichick’s plan in any given week isn’t complicated.
That’s what made Bradley, the former Seahawks coordinator and Jacksonville Jaguars coach, an interesting possibility before he re-signed with the Chargers on Wednesday.
“The best defenses are not the most complicated,” the assistant coach said. “They never have been. The best defenses are the simple ones that know their adjustments
You forgot some paragraphs. I think it's highly beneficial that Pettine was consulting with Seattle last year. Again, who cares if the defense is "complex" as long as the players get it and do it well.
I think you missed the point, I wasn't just copying the whole article. The complexity of Capers scheme was the problem, our guys struggled to execute his exotic coverages and blitzes. The point was I hope Pettine can find that balance of giving offenses a complex look, but make the scheme simple enough that our guys can execute. Hearing that he also runs a complex scheme makes me nervous, but it sounds like he's a sharp enough guy that he can make it work. I hope Perry and Whitt can do a better job conveying that scheme to our DBs than they did under Capers, because communication and being out of position were easily the biggest issues with our coverage this year. That falls on the assistants to iron that out and the players to understand and execute. I think Pettine will be a good fit, I wanted to bring him on as DC after he got fired by Cleveland.
Grave Digger posted:I hope Perry and Whitt can do a better job conveying that scheme to our DBs than they did under Capers, because communication and being out of position were easily the biggest issues with our coverage this year.
That won't be a problem if you believe Charles Woodson. I happen to believe Charles 100%
We can both be right. Whitt can still be a good coach, as Woodson says (which I believe him also), and still have done a bad job with getting our young CBs on the same page. The issue was also with the CBs themselves, a fukk up doesn't fall squarely on the coaches, players have a big share in that.
Grave Digger posted:I think you missed the point, I wasn't just copying the whole article. The complexity of Capers scheme was the problem, our guys struggled to execute his exotic coverages and blitzes. The point was I hope Pettine can find that balance of giving offenses a complex look, but make the scheme simple enough that our guys can execute. Hearing that he also runs a complex scheme makes me nervous, but it sounds like he's a sharp enough guy that he can make it work. I hope Perry and Whitt can do a better job conveying that scheme to our DBs than they did under Capers, because communication and being out of position were easily the biggest issues with our coverage this year. That falls on the assistants to iron that out and the players to understand and execute. I think Pettine will be a good fit, I wanted to bring him on as DC after he got fired by Cleveland.
Okay, agreed. I'm firmly on the wait and see approach because the "complex" label also stuck out at me. The two things I do see that I liked are Leonhard's comments on going simple if that's what fits the situation and the fact it does appear he will be much more hands on. More than anything I just want to see a DC get more out of young guys. I don't want to see Josh Jones become Brad Jones.
Still, I'll believe it when I see it.
Oh, and "silos" apparently is the new "synergy". Somebody needs to get their corporate balls kicked up into their corporate mouth.
Piece I read said that although Pettine employs relatively complex schemes he breaks it down into simpler concepts for the players so they can grasp it better. Dom was such an unmitigated disaster and traumatized the fan base so severely that a complex scheme now means confusion and blown coverages. Wait and see is the best approach and my guess is the struggle with complicated schemes may well be a Dom-specific issue.
Henry posted:Oh, and "silos" apparently is the new "synergy". Somebody needs to get their corporate balls kicked up into their corporate mouth.
I heard "silos" about 15 years ago in business. Referred to supply chains as well as jobs.
Fandame posted:Look at any recent team photo and you'll see about as many "coaches" as players. It's surprising teams don't have a personal coach for every player -- paid for by the team. The bottom one is 2017.
It's like lobbyists in Congress.
Personally I think the more complex you can be on defense the better. You have to have the right guys in place though who understand what you're doing and can execute. That's the biggest reason why 2010 worked, Nick Collins, Woodson, Williams, CM, Pickett, Raji, Jenkins, Bishop, and Hawk. all understood their jobs and got it done. There weren't a lot of blow assignments despite executing a pretty complex defense that allowed guys like Raji to be in a position to make a Pick 6...that's craziness to drop a 330 pounder into coverage. Seattle's defense is probably easy to figure out, but knowing what the defense is doing and beating it aren't the same which is why Seattle has been so dominant...their 11 are so good that you will probably lose one or multiple 1on1's on any given snap.
Fandame posted:Henry posted:Oh, and "silos" apparently is the new "synergy". Somebody needs to get their corporate balls kicked up into their corporate mouth.
I heard "silos" about 15 years ago in business. Referred to supply chains as well as jobs.
Silos are things you store grain/silage in as well as for falling to your death. That is all.
And missiles. Don't forget missiles.
Grave Digger posted:Personally I think the more complex you can be on defense the better. You have to have the right guys in place though who understand what you're doing and can execute. That's the biggest reason why 2010 worked, Nick Collins, Woodson, Williams, CM, Pickett, Raji, Jenkins, Bishop, and Hawk. all understood their jobs and got it done. There weren't a lot of blow assignments despite executing a pretty complex defense that allowed guys like Raji to be in a position to make a Pick 6...that's craziness to drop a 330 pounder into coverage. Seattle's defense is probably easy to figure out, but knowing what the defense is doing and beating it aren't the same which is why Seattle has been so dominant...their 11 are so good that you will probably lose one or multiple 1on1's on any given snap.
Just a thought but I really wonder if this equates to better success in FA? Just bring in guys with a motor and keep it simple.
Maybe, I think any scheme (offense or defense) where a player can accumulate stats to eventually land another big deal is what really attracts players. Seattle gives defenders opportunities to succeed because they have Dick Sherman, Earl Thomas, Bobby Wagner, Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, etc. You will get favorably matchups when you're on a line with Bennett and Avril. In contrast, if you're a good CB coming to GB they will just throw at everyone else and you will get fewer chances to grab the ball. That and guaranteed dollars are attractive to free agents, an area where GB has apparently been really stingy. Gute won't just have start pursuing players, he's going to have to make tweaks to how they handle contracts.
Grave Digger posted:The complexity of Capers scheme was the problem, our guys struggled to execute his exotic coverages and blitzes.
bull ****ing ****.
It sure as hell wasn't to complex for opposing offenses to scheme against it. These are football players who have played football all their lives and are paid to play football. This narrative that Dom was an excellent coach, just to smart for his own good is bull****. Either his scheme was **** or was an inept communicator of his scheme, doesn't matter, results sucked and that was on him. He wasn't ever going to get a squad of 11 Nick Collins, and if that is what you need to have success that is another indicator that you suck.
Pettine said Likeable and Learnable. If the players don't like it, why the ****.q would they want to learn it?
Dom was good, really good at times. But it is obvious the message got stale. Maybe he didn't change, or if he did change (nascar, etc...) he did a turrible job teaching it.
"Gute won't just have start pursuing players, he's going to have to make tweaks to how they handle contracts. "
100% agree. That article that was intended to praise Ball about his negotiating tactics was eye opening. Gute needs to tell Ball to adjust to the current market and it needs to be a high priority task.
Sure the agents think he is a swell guy because he remembers the wifes name. Fine, but if they are doing their job well, they are avoiding GB unless their is limited interest in the client. It's in the Players best interest to get that guranteed coin. I get that it's in the teams best interest to avoid it. The problem is that if your company, doesn't matter the industry, wants to attract the best employees you need to offer competitive salary package.
If Google is known to willing negotiate vacation time and give up to 8 weeks but Bing is known to take a hard line on 4 weeks only, i'm starting my employment search with Google. I'm not saying everyone deserves the guaranteed money, but we have to show the market that we are willing to play first. Then, maybe we start getting some applicants.
Edit - This doesn't absolve TT of the problem. Ball has been operating like this under his direction.