I'd like to point out that Trump Vodka, Trump Steaks, Trump Casinos, Trump Airlines and Trump university were not really failed business ventures, it was just Trump was to smart and his employees failed to execute his vision.
I'm also calling bullchit on this quote that was included in the story GD originally posted (added emphasis is mine):
....but has gone against Capers regularly over the years and spoke of the difficulty preparing for everything Capers might use. The coach and his colleagues always worried that they’d diluted their practice reps trying to be ready for everything they might see. It was a real problem.
I'm saying opposing OCs relished the chance to go against Capers' defense in Green Bay. Anyone think Carolina's OC thought it was a problem?
El-Ka-Bong posted:bull ****ing ****.
It sure as hell wasn't to complex for opposing offenses to scheme against it. These are football players who have played football all their lives and are paid to play football. This narrative that Dom was an excellent coach, just to smart for his own good is bull****. Either his scheme was **** or was an inept communicator of his scheme, doesn't matter, results sucked and that was on him. He wasn't ever going to get a squad of 11 Nick Collins, and if that is what you need to have success that is another indicator that you suck.
Wow you really hate Dom Capers like on a personal level. Let it go and realize there were failures on all levels including the DC. You're clinging to this insane narrative that he alone was causing all the problems. Capers is a well respected coach who likely has a tremendous amount of knowledge, you can still be that and fail. McCarthy is a fantastic coach and an offensive innovator who ran a sh*t show in SF, it happens every year and has since football was invented. Face reality and accept that you need talent to win, like a lot of good talent, like probably 8-11 really good players on your defense to be a really good defense. There's talent in GB, but they didn't play like it, they're grown men and the responsibility falls equally on them as it does on coaches. Everyone failed. Period. Move on and stop being a whiner.
for ****s sake, now it's "well, its really everyone's fault."
Timmy! posted:I'm also calling bullchit on this quote that was included in the story GD originally posted (added emphasis is mine):
....but has gone against Capers regularly over the years and spoke of the difficulty preparing for everything Capers might use. The coach and his colleagues always worried that they’d diluted their practice reps trying to be ready for everything they might see. It was a real problem.
I'm saying opposing OCs relished the chance to go against Capers' defense in Green Bay. Anyone think Carolina's OC thought it was a problem?
Stop pretending you know what these guys are thinking. You don't know sh*t about what opposing coaches thought. That's the weirdest thing to think you know for sure. Why would an anonymous coach say that on record if it wasn't true? That person would know...because he's fukking there in meetings getting a first hand account of what's happening.
El-Ka-Bong posted:for ****s sake, now it's "well, its really everyone's fault."
I will amend that, I think it's your fault entirely.
equally as bad of a take
I have terrible feeling this discussion ends with you admitting Dom Capers molested you at some point in your life. This level of irrational hatred has no other origin.
Still not getting a 'competition' trophy. Nope.
Timmy! posted:I'm also calling bullchit on this quote that was included in the story GD originally posted (added emphasis is mine):
....but has gone against Capers regularly over the years and spoke of the difficulty preparing for everything Capers might use. The coach and his colleagues always worried that they’d diluted their practice reps trying to be ready for everything they might see. It was a real problem.
I'm saying opposing OCs relished the chance to go against Capers' defense in Green Bay. Anyone think Carolina's OC thought it was a problem?
Anyone think Baltimore (had probably the worst offense in the league, next to Cleveland) wasn't confident when facing the Packers with Hundley? Look it up
Grave Digger posted:
Stop pretending you know what these guys are thinking. You don't know sh*t about what opposing coaches thought. That's the weirdest thing to think you know for sure. Why would an anonymous coach say that on record if it wasn't true? That person would know...because he's fukking there in meetings getting a first hand account of what's happening.
And you do?
And please explain how "anonymous" and "on record" work together.
And what's your take on Carolina's OC game planning against our defense?
What do you think is more likely; that he was wailing and gnashing his teeth at the prospect of facing our defense, or that he knew EXACTLY how to exploit our weaknesses?
You're welcome to believe the former; I'm going with the latter.
If you want to place blame....There is only ONE person who's at fault...Just one.
Mike McCarthy
That's it....that's the list
He had control over the coaching staff & it is 100% on him to recognize when the "outstanding football coach & that doesn't change" words are not getting through to young athletes.
I don't know who the player was, but assuming it's true, the young defensive Packer player who texted a local reporter to ask about his job security should make everyone smile around here (this text was before the new DC was hired).
Beyond Dom's predictable schemes and tired concepts, I was far more concerned about the lack of accountability on the team, but especially on defense.
That HHCD half assed it most of the season, that rookies signed to the Packers knew they could play out their entire contracts and not be cut, that guys like Fackrell and Rollins (before getting hurt) and before that Worthy and others could just go through the motions and still play, still suck up a roster spot, was frankly unacceptable.
According to those who have played under Pettine, he wants his guys to have fun and really enjoy playing for him. But those same sources also said he will ride their ass if they aren't cutting it or if he feels they aren't giving 100 percent.
That's a huge change IMO for the better.
I think teams gameplanning against GB didn’t look at the scheme, they looked at the players. Schemes are schemes, they know what’s to expect from a Capers like they do for every coach...there’s no surprises. Other teams look at players they can exploit, we had arguably the least savvy group of DBs in the entire league last year, they couldn’t challenge a QB hardly at all. It’s all about matchups.
Brainwashed Boris posted:If you want to place blame....There is only ONE person who's at fault...Just one.
Mike McCarthy
That's it....that's the list
He had control over the coaching staff & it is 100% on him to recognize when the "outstanding football coach & that doesn't change" words are not getting through to young athletes.
100%. Capers coaches the way he coaches, if it’s wrong (it was definitely wrong for GB) then MM needed to change things. He finally did and that’s really all that matters. I’m not sad to see Capers go, I just hope they solve ALL of the problems (which went beyond Capers), which it sounds like that is what we’re looking forward to.
Disagree....it's not that they couldn't challenge a QB....it's that they wouldn't!
Fair enough. That’s a personnel issue though that hopefully Gute and Pettine can solve.
Just re-read the Norvening thread. We we're bitching about this stuff in 2014.
It's maddening!
Grave Digger posted:I have terrible feeling this discussion ends with you admitting Dom Capers molested you at some point in your life. This level of irrational hatred has no other origin.
I do come off as the one protesting to much, don't I
Well I have strong opinions and I refuse to contain them. Im not sorry you’re offended.
The Capers days are bygone. The new prophet is here. Let us heal and move forward as one.
Capers wasn't the whole issue, for sure. A good part of it was hacks on the field. You can scheme against terminal ****ups on a team and look absolutely brilliant. Guy A has a tell, or always crashes inside against a certain look, or whatever? You exploit the hell out of that.
There was an interesting interview with Andre Patterson (Vikings D-Line coach) last night. When asked what happened when they faced Hundley and they were getting so much less pressure he said, flat out, they pulled back on the rush and instead went straight contain because the only way Hundley was going to make a play was with his feet. They literally had no concern for his arm actually beating them. It appeared other teams took a similar approach: Don't let him out of the pocket, make him beat you from there because he can't.
Grave Digger posted:Well I have strong opinions and I refuse to contain them. Im not sorry you’re offended.
I don't believe I was ever offended by your bad takes
Where did Dom Capers touch you? He can’t hurt you here, you’re safe.
It's not just that he touched me, but that his methods were so complex that he also made me let Colin Kaepernick throw for 412 yards once and run for an NFL record 181 yards and two touchdowns another time. Those scars don't heal easily.
Is that a euphemism for some kind of butthurt? Seems like it.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Just re-read the Norvening thread. We we're bitching about this stuff in 2014.
It's maddening!
And yet, they were on their way to #14 when the perfect storm of sh!t, stuff that no one could have ever predicted, happened.
If Rodgers doesn't tear his calf....I know they win.
Herschel posted:There was an interesting interview with Andre Patterson (Vikings D-Line coach) last night. When asked what happened when they faced Hundley and they were getting so much less pressure he said, flat out, they pulled back on the rush and instead went straight contain because the only way Hundley was going to make a play was with his feet. They literally had no concern for his arm actually beating them. It appeared other teams took a similar approach: Don't let him out of the pocket, make him beat you from there because he can't.
I don't know how that is enlightening to anyone. We could all see this from our couch.
Gaping personnel holes are gaping, and pro coaches can recognize one like a goober at the high stakes poker table.
Brainwashed Boris posted:If Rodgers doesn't tear his calf....I know they win.
If Rodgers doesn't tear his calf earlier that season, the Seattle game is over by halftime.
At 16-0, seemed like it was trending that way.
F**K!
packerboi posted:I don't know who the player was, but assuming it's true, the young defensive Packer player who texted a local reporter to ask about his job security should make everyone smile around here (this text was before the new DC was hired).
Beyond Dom's predictable schemes and tired concepts, I was far more concerned about the lack of accountability on the team, but especially on defense.
That HHCD half assed it most of the season, that rookies signed to the Packers knew they could play out their entire contracts and not be cut, that guys like Fackrell and Rollins (before getting hurt) and before that Worthy and others could just go through the motions and still play, still suck up a roster spot, was frankly unacceptable.
According to those who have played under Pettine, he wants his guys to have fun and really enjoy playing for him. But those same sources also said he will ride their ass if they aren't cutting it or if he feels they aren't giving 100 percent.
That's a huge change IMO for the better.
Goodson.