Question:
I know Pettine has reportedly indicated he's not interested in a HC gig. And there seems to be near-unanimity on the board that, if possible, he should be kept around as DC.
Let's assume Mike gets fired at the end of the season. What if Pettine wants in on HC consideration?
Curious about what folks think.
I have no problem with it but he needs to overhaul some of the coaching staff on both sides of the ball
I wouldn't hate it but I think you attract the best offensive mind by offering them the HC position. If Pettine is HC, he has to find a diamond in the rough to take the OC position and that guy has to control Rodgers.
It's just easier to go with an Offensive guy for HC and keep Pettine on as DC. Maybe we're all wrong, but the assumption is he just wants to DC and doesn't want the headaches associated with HC.
HC is a crapshoot....many more have failed than have achieved great success. This is true in all sports. Most look good on paper and at their introductory pressers they usually look and say the part. What makes one better than the next?
Tread carefully.
Beto is unemployed.
BrainDed posted:PackerPatrick posted:However, I am not sure Rodgers is ready to change his mindset of what HE likes to play.
This is why I want McDaniels and not Riley. He walks into the door with instant credibility. He has gameplanned with Tom Brady and won over and over again. If there is any candidate out there that can tell Aaron, you have to change, it's McDaniels.
McCarthy was essentially unknown/unproven and he got Favre to study like he never had before in his career.
Pikes Peak posted:HC is a crapshoot....many more have failed than have achieved great success.
Wolf hired Ray Rhodes. Fine to make a mistake if you realize it and quickly take corrective action, as Ron did.
Grave Digger posted:Fandame posted:Thread title still makes me hopeful every time I open X4 that MM was sent packing...
Carmichael from NO. If he can do what he's doing now with the 39-year-old Brees, pretty much young or no-name receivers and a good back, why couldn't he recreate it in GB? Think about it: at halftime yesterday, they had only 10 three-and-outs all year. He's doing something right (or maybe it's Payton, but who knows the real truth about any assistant?).
The worry, IMO, is that Carmichael is just like all the assistants we've seen come from GB to be mediocre or worse HCs. That's pretty much what happened with Lombardi and Detroit. I don't think they're doing it with "no name" receivers either, Michael Thomas is a franchise WR in the mold of OBJ and Julio. Ben Watson has been around forever at TE, plus we're seeing high picks Kamara and Smith get involved as well. They're a talented group, Payton and Carmichael aren't making something out of nothing.
Mark Ingram is no slouch either.
ilcuqui posted:Question:
I know Pettine has reportedly indicated he's not interested in a HC gig. And there seems to be near-unanimity on the board that, if possible, he should be kept around as DC.
Let's assume Mike gets fired at the end of the season. What if Pettine wants in on HC consideration?
Curious about what folks think.
I would think that if Pettine is interested you have to consider him. He knows the players well and has had the defense playing hard even with the 5 million injuries they have been dealing with.
I almost wonder if now would be a good time to look towards a more defensively minded coach and hire a good OC.
Then there is the name I really want to see and it is for the name only. Jim Bob Cooter!
I think Henry "You can call me Gutechrist"'s head would explode if you hired a guy named Jim Bob Cooter.
Bring in Condoleezza Rice before the Browns scoop her up.
Clean house. Time to purge every remnant of the Sons of the Monongahela. If Winston Moss is anywhere near 1265 after this season, we have system wide failure.
Hungry5 posted:BrainDed posted:PackerPatrick posted:However, I am not sure Rodgers is ready to change his mindset of what HE likes to play.
This is why I want McDaniels and not Riley. He walks into the door with instant credibility. He has gameplanned with Tom Brady and won over and over again. If there is any candidate out there that can tell Aaron, you have to change, it's McDaniels.
McCarthy was essentially unknown/unproven and he got Favre to study like he never had before in his career.
Fair point, but I will counter with the fact that Favre and Rodgers couldn't be any more different. Both in style and in approach.
ilcuqui posted:Question:
I know Pettine has reportedly indicated he's not interested in a HC gig. And there seems to be near-unanimity on the board that, if possible, he should be kept around as DC.
Let's assume Mike gets fired at the end of the season. What if Pettine wants in on HC consideration?
Curious about what folks think.
I wouldn't hate it, but they would have to pair him with an OC who was outstanding. I will give Mark Zimner credit in Minny, hiring Shurmur and DeFillippo as OC's has proven to be really good moves.
Agree, if this team had a better OC and one who could/would call the plays, then we would not be having this discussion. Sure, not firing Capers is on MM but with the new front office structure that probably would have happened if it had been in use back then.
Angry bald man as HC, bring back Van Pelt as OC?
DH13 posted:I think Henry "You can call me Gutechrist"'s head would explode if you hired a guy named Jim Bob Cooter.
Thunderbird posted:Grave Digger posted:Fandame posted:Thread title still makes me hopeful every time I open X4 that MM was sent packing...
Carmichael from NO. If he can do what he's doing now with the 39-year-old Brees, pretty much young or no-name receivers and a good back, why couldn't he recreate it in GB? Think about it: at halftime yesterday, they had only 10 three-and-outs all year. He's doing something right (or maybe it's Payton, but who knows the real truth about any assistant?).
The worry, IMO, is that Carmichael is just like all the assistants we've seen come from GB to be mediocre or worse HCs. That's pretty much what happened with Lombardi and Detroit. I don't think they're doing it with "no name" receivers either, Michael Thomas is a franchise WR in the mold of OBJ and Julio. Ben Watson has been around forever at TE, plus we're seeing high picks Kamara and Smith get involved as well. They're a talented group, Payton and Carmichael aren't making something out of nothing.
Mark Ingram is no slouch either.
No, never said they didn't have any talant. They do. It's just that the names aren't as familiar yet. In many ways, NO's roster in some ways looks a lot like GB's, but GB's is younger in some spots:
* NO DBs/CBs have 21 yrs; GB's have 20. Each team has five. Take away Tramon's 12 and we're younger.
* NO LBs have a total of 29 yrs; GB's have 32. (CMIII has 10). NO has six LBs; GB has nine.
* Watson is in his 15th year with the other TEs at 6 and 2; Lewis his 13th, Graham 9th, Kendricks 8th, Tonyan rook.
* Kamara is in his 2nd year; Jones is in his 2nd year.
* Ingram is in his 8th year, other RB in 3rd year; Carson and Williams are in 2nd year.
* WRs Thomas is in his 3rd year, Carr in his 2nd, Smith and Kirkwood are rookies; Cobb is in his 8th year, Adams his 5th, Davis his 3rd, and MVS, ESB, and Moore are rookies.
* Brees is in his 18th year; Rodgers is in his 14th.
* Payton been NO HC since 2006; MM been in GB since 2006.
I'm not sure what it all means other than it appears GB is a bit younger in some spots. But right now, Payton is getting more out of his team than MM is for sure.
So what else is new?
Mike Leach. Everybody is playing his game. He's still the evil genius.
If it doesn't work, it will still be a riot to watch, and the press conferences are the bomb.
With MM, just like Sherman, it just gawd awful to watch.
Or, some NFL loser with a moderate IQ.
I'd take Leach. Problem though, current GBP WRs are all too big.
I think the players would be behind Pettine getting the job. AR has spoken highly of him, he must have earned the respect of the defensive players as they witness the improvements he has brought to that unit.
I would be ok with Pettine because I think I would be inclined to have a defensively minded coach for a change. That and you can see the effort he has the D playing with even if they are short handed.
Leach is a sociopath, barely fit to coach college kids much less professionals. His "pirate ship" bull$hit wouldn't fly in an NFL locker room...jeenyous or not.
I think that's exactly why he suggested him.
Chongo posted:Leach is a sociopath, barely fit to coach college kids much less professionals. His "pirate ship" bull$hit wouldn't fly in an NFL locker room...jeenyous or not.
What's the line between eccentric genius and sociopath? Leach's offense would be quite a sight in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers throwing it 70 times a game! 
The new piece of art work in @Coach_Leach office has made it nearly impossible to have a serious meeting 👀😂. #GoCougs #JoinTheHunt pic.twitter.com/Fvyx2YeIjK
— Pat Chun (@pat_chun) November 14, 2018
FLPACKER posted:I think the players would be behind Pettine getting the job. AR has spoken highly of him, he must have earned the respect of the defensive players as they witness the improvements he has brought to that unit.
AR has spoke highly of MM.
He HAS to speak highly of MM, did not have to go out of his way to praise Pettine. Pettine has taken the defense from near the bottom to currently 12th. He appears to be a leader of men......yes he got fired in Cleveland, I think another coach who has turned out pretty well had the same thing happen to him
In Cleveland Pettine had success as defined by that sorry franchise
I'd want a coach who knows how to use TEs in the offense.
The Heckler posted:I would be ok with Pettine because I think I would be inclined to have a defensively minded coach for a change. That and you can see the effort he has the D playing with even if they are short handed.
Not me. I want Pettine as DC for a few more years to see exactly what his defense could do. Right now, I feel he is limited in what he can do with the players at the positions they are in. I really love how Fackrell has blossomed under Pettine. Let Pettine have a few more drafts or FA picks where he can get they players he wants for his various schemes and once that part of the team is working, then maybe talk of giving him a shot at HC.
Grave Digger posted:ilcuqui posted:Question:
I know Pettine has reportedly indicated he's not interested in a HC gig. And there seems to be near-unanimity on the board that, if possible, he should be kept around as DC.
Let's assume Mike gets fired at the end of the season. What if Pettine wants in on HC consideration?
Curious about what folks think.
I wouldn't hate it, but they would have to pair him with an OC who was outstanding. I will give Mark Zimner credit in Minny, hiring Shurmur and DeFillippo as OC's has proven to be really good moves.
I would never give Zimmer credit for anything other than being able to find his way out of the locker room with both those eye patches on. Sorry, but I never give credit to anything viking related. It would dilute my hate for purple.
PackerPatrick posted:Agree, if this team had a better OC and one who could/would call the plays, then we would not be having this discussion. Sure, not firing Capers is on MM but with the new front office structure that probably would have happened if it had been in use back then.
What does Philbin actually do? If MM is calling all the plays, is Philbin's offensive scheme even being half used? If MM stays, take away the play calling from him and give it to Philbin or hire a new OC who would call plays for the offense. It seems like we are wasting Philbin's time as OC.
Johnny Z posted:Mike Leach. Everybody is playing his game. He's still the evil genius.
If it doesn't work, it will still be a riot to watch, and the press conferences are the bomb.
With MM, just like Sherman, it just gawd awful to watch.
Or, some NFL loser with a moderate IQ.
Me and Juanny Zamboni have been on the same page for years.
mrtundra posted:I would never give Zimmer credit for anything other than being able to find his way out of the locker room with both those eye patches on. Sorry, but I never give credit to anything viking related. It would dilute my hate for purple.
Normally I would agree with you, but in this instance I think he deserves some kudos. He's done a better job hiring assistants than MM honestly. I would love to see a merging of MM's scheme and someone from the Andy Reid tree.
Leach would be worth the hire just for the press conferences.
Who is the OC for the chiefs? They know how to play to their players strengths (sort of like what Pettine does on defense) and adapts the West Coast offense to the times. Play calling is quick and designed to put the players in a position of strength.
