Thanks Timmy, his bio is not all that impressive but he has done well there. He does have a background in coaching RBs so that’s interesting. Perhaps it’s the fact that he worked under Reid that makes him look good at KC.
Or maybe Reid actually is in charge of the offense and Eric is a glorified offensive assistant like Sherm Lewis or anyone that has worked for MM.
Or they have a slew of really good players.
I think Robert Tonyan would have 45 catches for 650 yards and 4 TDs if he played on a team that knew how to use TEs. My best argument for this is George Kittles. A 5th round pick in 2017 that’s tearing it up in SF with Shanahan. Every time Tonyan has been on the field he makes plays. He’s just never on the field. And probably won’t be now that Graham is going to play with a broken thumb. That should work out well.
Aaron Jones is top 20 for rushing yards. Only 35th in attempts. And leading the NFL in yards per attempt. But whatever.
Adams is going for 1,300 yards and his third consecutive double digit TD total. GB has talent all over the place. It’s all just very broken right now.
Add to that, Mercedes Lewis I think has one whopping catch all year. Ya, I understand he's a sun setting player in his career, but for fu** sakes that he's been utterly forgotten about in this offense is ridiculous.
Graham also just appears to be under used as well. I can't help but think more creative play calling would have gotten him better involved.
Timmy! posted:
I remember watching him play at Colorado. Good back.
packerboi posted:Add to that, Mercedes Lewis I think has one whopping catch all year. Ya, I understand he's a sun setting player in his career, but for fu** sakes that he's been utterly forgotten about in this offense is ridiculous.
Maybe he hasn’t earned AR’s trust.
Dang! Another day I open this thread only to find that MM is still at 1265. 
Yes, to Tonyan. Guy is fast and more like an H back and seems to be smart, but MM either can't figure that out or ripped the TE plays out of the playbook. Don't know about Tonyan's blocking though. Graham is too slow to get consistently open, and he's most useful if he's matched up in the EZ with a guy six inches shorter. Now with a broken thumb, we'll see if he can use his hands to block and/or catch. If Lewis is wide open, he catches the ball and plows forward, but it's so hit and miss. Kendricks... why is he even on the roster? We have four TEs but could get by with less than one the way they are used now.
mrtundra posted:I'd want a coach who knows how to use TEs in the offense.
Ironic.
McCarthy was a TE at Baker U, a NAIA school.
Asking for a friend, does everyone want AR to throw the ball and make plays (or not), or have Jones run the ball. There is only 1 ball to go around. I keep hearing you have to get the ball to Jones, because he is so DYNAMIC, but by doing that, it takes the ball away from Adams, our TE's, etc.
Sharing is caring. And it keeps the D from teeing off on our average Oline when all we do is pass, pass, pass. Some heavy pounding never hurts to soften up the DL, allow our OL to hit rather than being hit, slows the rush against our average OL, and it keeps Rodgers out of harm's way. Just because Holmgren had Favre at his best doesn't mean he ignored Bennet or Levens, and later, Green.
I agree! Our offense works better when we have balance. Our passing game is ranked 7th in the NFL at 290 yd/game, while our running game is ranked 17th at 109 yd/game. Seems pretty balanced to me.
But all I hear is hand wringing about how we're not running the ball, and giving the ball to 33, 85% of the time.
PackerRuss posted:Asking for a friend, does everyone want AR to throw the ball and make plays (or not), or have Jones run the ball. There is only 1 ball to go around. I keep hearing you have to get the ball to Jones, because he is so DYNAMIC, but by doing that, it takes the ball away from Adams, our TE's, etc.
I want Rodgers to be throwing the ball like 30-35 times a game at the most. He's averaging almost 40 pass attempts a game and that doesn't include all the times he's run the ball. So give the ball to Jones 5 more times a game, maybe 10 more in some games. Make some of those 5-10 extra touches happen on 3rd down. I promise good things will happen if we do this.
Whoever the next HC is better get on the bandwagon that the NFL has become a video game league. That's what the commissioner wants, that's what the owners want, and that's what the networks want because of FF and gambling. The more points the better. All rules changes and enforcements will favor scoring points.
PackerRuss posted:Asking for a friend, does everyone want AR to throw the ball and make plays (or not), or have Jones run the ball. There is only 1 ball to go around. I keep hearing you have to get the ball to Jones, because he is so DYNAMIC, but by doing that, it takes the ball away from Adams, our TE's, etc.
Feed Jones until it stops working. If Jones keeps popping off big gains, then defenses will have to start respecting the run which will make it much easier for 12 to throw the ball.
I don’t really care who makes the plays, but it makes no sense to have one guy (33) consistently making plays only to have the ball taken away from him.
Chongo posted:Whoever the next HC is better get on the bandwagon that the NFL has become a video game league. That's what the commissioner wants, that's what the owners want, and that's what the networks want because of FF and gambling. The more points the better. All rules changes and enforcements will favor scoring points.
and I've wondered for the past 10 years what would happen if a team went big road grader Oline and totally committed to running the football with both a pounder RB and a road runner RB if they'd take the league by storm. naturally, you'd hafta have a stout defense to go with it. and then basically keep the ball away from the other team and dominate time of possession.
I'll keep dreaming.
Chilijon:
GB has talent all over the place. It’s all just very broken right now.
Generally it takes a WR until his second year to really blossom. Packers are without #2 and 3 receivers and so reliant on two rookies, each drafted after the 4th round. Against the Patriots, WR's not named Adams totaled something like 24 yards of offense.
TE is a question mark to me, but I wonder if Graham has regressed due to age and the #1 TE on the field is more emphasized by defenses than WR's MVS and ESB.
I think the interior of the o-line is weak and gets collapsed fairly easily. RT is so so with the regression of Bulaga.
I don't see talent "all over the place." Maybe when the WR's other than Adams gain more experience, as is typical.
BDPLANT:
Feed Jones until it stops working. If Jones keeps popping off big gains, then defenses will have to start respecting the run which will make it much easier for 12 to throw the ball.
I couldn't agree more and stick with the run throughout the game unless a lopsided deficit mandates otherwise.
Teams are confusing our young WRs after they got more video on them, MM pretty much said so in his last presser. They are showing them different coverages, playing them differently at LOS, etc. It creates a disconnect between QB & WR, that is written in AR's body language.
Rams scored 31 points in the 2nd half Monday night. Chiefs scored 28.
Packers scored 3 points last Thursday.
If a defense is “confusing” WRs in 2018 then it’s a huge problem. If it’s happening it’s being allowed to happen. That can’t happen.
I don’t think they are confusing our WRs, I think the young WRs are just making the wrong adjustments. Some of it is probably mental errors and some of it is probably a lack of experience in anticipating what will happen and how to adjust. That’s why they generally say WRs need 3 years to fully grasp an NFL offense. Some guys get it right away, some don’t.
Put Williams in with Jones. Let Jammal lead block. Run some fakes. Give the ball to Williams on quick hitters al a Kuhn on short yardage. Pound and pound and some play action. It aint hard.
Packiderm posted:Put Williams in with Jones. Let Jammal lead block. Run some fakes. Give the ball to Williams on quick hitters al a Kuhn on short yardage. Pound and pound and some play action. It aint hard.
We do what we do. Which lately means blowing winnable games.
Why don’t we hire Vic Fangio as HC and retain Pettine. Defensive powerhouse.
Grave Digger posted:mrtundra posted:I would never give Zimmer credit for anything other than being able to find his way out of the locker room with both those eye patches on. Sorry, but I never give credit to anything viking related. It would dilute my hate for purple.
Normally I would agree with you, but in this instance I think he deserves some kudos. He's done a better job hiring assistants than MM honestly. I would love to see a merging of MM's scheme and someone from the Andy Reid tree.
As I said, I don't want to dilute my hatred for purple.
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Fair enough. I respect the hatred and feel it too. **** Coach Cyclops and his staff. At the end of the day Cousins will always lose important games, regardless of the OC, so I’m fine with where they’re at.
Maybe the rookie WRs just aren't that good. Sure there are quite a few examples of WRs picked late in the draft becoming good players, but the vast majority are either career backups or out of the league in a few years. The odds are against MVS and ESB.
There's also lots of examples of high WR picks not doing anything either.
See our divisional friends to the West and South.
Timmy! posted:
Would that be the immortal Eric sleeping with Bieniemy?
heyward posted:Maybe the rookie WRs just aren't that good. Sure there are quite a few examples of WRs picked late in the draft becoming good players, but the vast majority are either career backups or out of the league in a few years. The odds are against MVS and ESB.
The odds are pretty much against every player drafted into the NFL. Most of them fail. But taking 3 WRs in the middle of the draft in a WR friendly offense gives you better odds that at least one of them will become productive. I think two of them will.
Two of them? I'll take that bet.
CLE keeps improving and MM may not have his job there next year.
Randall is looking like a real stiff. If only we could put a finger on the problems in Green Bay.
If I had to guess, I doubt Dorsey has any interest in McVince.
Another day and MM was still here...
Maybe tomorrow?
I was extremely pissed on that call
Whoever replaces MM is going to have his work cut out for him in fixing AR's mechanics.
They have gone to shit. Silverstein wrote about it over the weekend so I paid extra attention and from a mechanics and discipline standpoint, both have gone down the shitter.
He's throwing across his body more and more now. He's no longer setting his feet like he used to. When he launches a deeper pass, it's almost all arm now. No setting, no using his legs to help propel his throws. WTF happened?
His discipline is just bad now as well. Another delay of game that's on Rodgers. Missing a WIDE open Adams on what would have been an easy TD, my Lord it's like someone put a body double in and kidnapped the real AR. And then there's again refusing to take the underneath stuff and just playing sand lot football.
I don't know if Rodgers has simply tuned out everyone on MM's staff or what. But a new coach has a lot to fix with him. And considering he's making 33 mil a year and has been a starter over 10 years, that's ridiculous he's let his mechanics get this bad.
Rodgers believes all the media bullshit and thinks he is a god.
Agree with him thinking he's above it all. How he gets his helmet on is a wonder...
I'm not excusing Rodgers' poor play, but the guy, since Week 1, has not been able to fully step into a throw, and indeed had to throw off his back foot. He should be healed by now, but his mechanics aren't out of whack because he reads his press clippings. Good grief.