A rolling Winston gathers no Moss.
excalibur posted:A rolling Winston gathers no Moss.
ammo posted:And I thought Moss would be the Packers "Rooney Rule" interview. I guess that will be Jim Caldwell now.
He’s thrilled, which looks similar to happiness, sadness anger disgust, fear, surprise, shame, envy, and contempt
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Being completely pragmatic about everything that’s happened now.
The best coach isn’t a guy looking to squeeze the best out of Rodgers quickly without addressing all the shortcomings of this roster. And by shortcomings I mean OL and DL. Need a coach that is hell bent on fixing both lines and hires a staff that maximizes what’s in place with forward thinking offensive and defensive coordinators that compete for that coaches job.
That coach is Nick Saban with Pettine on Defense and a young wildcard on offense.
Saban has the hardware and stones to back down Rodgers if needed. And nobody understands the importance of good lines like Saban. He recruits the best every year for a reason.
He may not make the move. But he has the juice to keep Pettine, find the right genius on offense to work with Rodgers, and build a couple serious lines.
Saban would suck in Green Bay only because he couldn't pay his players as well
Green Bay needs to fix both lines. Starting with this patchwork bullshit offensive line. Quenton Nelson might be the best player drafted in the top 16 players selected other than Derwin James in 2018 (thanks again Randall and Rollins. ****!!!!!!!) Nelson is a human roadgrader in Indy. He’s improved the entire OL.
I guess I am not sure I understand why Saban is a guy to like. I think he’s one of the greatest college coaches ever, but I don’t know how that translates. How do you rate him with the advantage in talent he has.
Plus he’s getting up there in years.
I think they need to think beyond Rodgers. Young, innovative, gutsy, passionate.
Moss exemplified the environment of stagnant water that was one of MM's kisses of death in keeping underachieving assistants around way too long.
I really don't know if in posting those tweets, Moss knew that'd be his ticket out of here but I really don't care. He's gone, that's what matters, and that firing should have happened years ago.
Zook should be right behind him. But I guess I can wait another 4 weeks when that happens.
All moss did was throw his boss under the bus for supposedly not holding rodgers accountable.
All FLORIDAROB did is admit he hasn’t been paying attention for a long while.
We've got players on the DL.
I'd worry a helluva lot more about LBs first.
Cant accomplish anything without an OL. Or DL. Ever. Look at every great Packer team and look for a common theme. Or any team.
Inside out. It’s never ever going to change when it comes to football.
From Bob McGinn tonight:
Associate HC/LB coach Winston Moss, one of 3 assts who had been with Mike McCarthy all 13 years, was fired tonight. Presumably, it was for tweeting, in part, regarding the next coach, "Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a Lombardi/Standard!"
Think we just found out who Bob’s “NFC” insider has been all these years.
“In Part”...... **** off Bob McGinn and you’re silly brand of bullshit
Philbin shitcanned Moss. Joe fully dismissed Winstons Ass!!!!!
This is a very good thing regardless of whatever happens from today on.
Philbin is the early leader in the clubhouse for Head Coach.
R MaN posted:That tweet sealed his fate.
Ya think??
A great, great, great all time re-watchable movie.
I'm just going to say right now......
Packers will play very good on Sunday.
ChilliJon posted:Didn’t hear it. My guess is JT wants a guy that understands you will always win from the inside out in the NFL and if you build both lines perfectly then work away from the ball you will win.
Been that way for 60 years.
I want a great OL more than I want a great coach. A great coach will deliver a great OL and DL. Rodgers will deliver the rest.
It's maddening to watch opposing qbs, good ones and terrible ones, have a secure pocket vs the GB defense, and Rodgers this yr have the pocket collapse around him a good majority of the time. 12 had very little comfort zone this season, and most likely due to the knee hasn't pulled as many escape acts. Brady year in, year out has great o-line play. Build a strong line like that and imo AR lights up the league.
It just happened. At 4:00 AM EST on 12-5-18. After everything that’s going down it sunk in that MM is gone and other stuff is following like dominoes, and it felt like I took one giant shit. Very satisfying .
I don't think the D-Line is bad at all once we have all preferred starters.
Now, the O-Line....other than Buck 🍒 that needs to be fixed. Pronto!
PackerPatrick posted:excalibur posted:A rolling Winston gathers no Moss.
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Music City posted:I guess I am not sure I understand why Saban is a guy to like. I think he’s one of the greatest college coaches ever, but I don’t know how that translates. How do you rate him with the advantage in talent he has.
Plus he’s getting up there in years.
I think they need to think beyond Rodgers. Young, innovative, gutsy, passionate.
1st off, I'm not advocating Saban for the next head coach. Burt I can see how it could work. AR has like 5 years left. Saban is 68 and will only coach 5 years if that no matter where he is. Saban may want a Super Bowl victory to go along with his NCAA Championships. This could be his best chance. He is a guy who may get AR back on track like MM did with Favre. And many free agents would want to come and play for him. A hopefully a young assistant he could bring in will be groomed to take over and develop the next great Green Bay QB. Yes, it could work ala Jimmy Johnson. It could also go ala Steve Spurrier.
Orlando Wolf posted:Murphy won’t allow for moss to be shown the door.
So Murphy gave Moss a blindfold?
I thought the DL was doing ok...not so much, its one injury away (76) from being bad. I didn't believe it until 76 was out last week, the DL can't do it with 97 only. We def need to beef up on DL. I look at what redskins did there, in the draft, they are way imprvoved up front. i agree that DL (strength this draft), then CB - cuz 20 can't stay healthy - then LB/OLB pass rusher...but they are all needs. OL is next, really weak.
LBs need help before DL. Keep playing M Adam's to see if he is the depth they need.
ChilliJon posted:Philbin shitcanned Moss. Joe fully dismissed Winstons Ass!!!!!
This is a very good thing regardless of whatever happens from today on.
Philbin is the early leader in the clubhouse for Head Coach.
Didn't take Joe long to think about it either. Wonder if this was a Murphy/Gute recommendation or if his own doing. Kudos to him if he took the initiative. Why McCarthy made this guy his pet turd is beyond me.
I just perused some social media on Moss. I shouldn't have. A lot of Moss and MM apologists out there thinking Moss got canned just for speaking his mind.
Nevermind the picks like Datone Jones, Nick Perry, and even an underachieving CMIII (since 2014) he did nothing with. Plus the Jake Ryans, Brad Jones, etc who all looked very average.
And then for those who need the reminder, there's this. From ESPN. Dude was a complete prick in press conferences last summer. MM had no business tolerating that from a position coach. Inexcusable.
Moss put up an unusually combative public front, so much so that the Packers stopped putting him in front of the media this season despite making all members of the coaching staff available on a regular basis.
In his last news conference this offseason, he was asked why he was so unhelpful and he answered, "I can't help you."
Moss got canned because Kenny Clark has as many sacks as every OLB not named Fackrell, combined. Other than the FackAttack, his position group has been awful. They don't set edges and keep containment against the run and they don't win 1on1's despite having the highest combined salary of any position group on the defense. He's done the least with the most of any coach on the team. So he was likely under the microscope anyway, being an asshole was probably the last straw. Whatever he was venting in public, I imagine he was saying more to his fellow coaches and players. Can't having a cancer in the locker room sewing discontent, even with the season basically being done. Since his buddy Alonzo Highsmith did not seemingly leave on good terms, I imagine he came into this season not thrilled to work for the Packers.
That and having to work for Pettine. No one can tell me McVince made the decision on Pettine. I seriously wonder how much Moss ****ed up things even for The Wizard due to his buddy relationship with McVince and bullshit Assistant to the Assistant HC.
Funny thing is with Moss gone, this isn't a bad defensive staff.
ChilliJon posted:Philbin shitcanned Moss. Joe fully dismissed Winstons Ass!!!!!
This is a very good thing regardless of whatever happens from today on.
Philbin is the early leader in the clubhouse for Head Coach.
What? No. No. No. NoNoNoNoNoNo
Arians has no interest in GB. Good.
Bruce Arians said he only wanted to coach in Cleveland. He's sticking to that statement.
Predictably, after stated interest in joining the Browns, Arians name was linked to the latest coaching vacancy in Green Bay. The former Cardinals coach, however, quickly squashed any rumors about the 'no risk it, no biscuit' play-caller joining Aaron Rodgers in Wisconsin.
During an interview with Zach Gelb of CBS Sports Radio, Arians said he has no interest in replacing Mike McCarthy.
"No, not at all," Arians said. "If I ever return to coaching it will only be in Cleveland."
When Gelb noted that Green Bay is one of the more desirable openings to come available, Arians held to his stance.
"Yeah, it is," Arians said. "It's just I have no desire to coach in Green Bay."
packerboi posted:I just perused some social media on Moss. I shouldn't have. A lot of Moss and MM apologists out there thinking Moss got canned just for speaking his mind.
Oh the irony...
MM ran a tight ship where he didn't want people venting in public. He didn't want free-thinkers, which is what #12 is, and was probably the only guy who could get away with semi-airing dirty laundry at the podium.
I think that was one of the points of contention between McCho and the Diva.
Moss is an absolute slap-dick of a coach. I believe he was the reason we lost Kevin Greene, who when he was here, CM3 seemed to be at his peak.
Turds circling the bowl...one more flush...
FinnLander posted:Orlando Wolf posted:Murphy won’t allow for moss to be shown the door.
So Murphy gave Moss a blindfold?
Clearly times are a changing.
I think Moss wanted to get canned. Think of how much money he "earned" - Never understood why he was kept around.
Lyins gave him the courtesy HC interview but I wonder if he'll get another coaching job in the NFL?
In his last news conference this offseason, he was asked why he was so unhelpful and he answered, "I can't help you."
Sorry but I actually think this is hilarious. His performance isn't but some of his rapport with the media cracked me up. Couldn't tell if he was putting on a shtick to be a dick or if he just had that much difficulty with it.
packerboi posted:Arians has no interest in GB. Good.
Bruce Arians said he only wanted to coach in Cleveland. He's sticking to that statement.
Predictably, after stated interest in joining the Browns, Arians name was linked to the latest coaching vacancy in Green Bay. The former Cardinals coach, however, quickly squashed any rumors about the 'no risk it, no biscuit' play-caller joining Aaron Rodgers in Wisconsin.
During an interview with Zach Gelb of CBS Sports Radio, Arians said he has no interest in replacing Mike McCarthy.
"No, not at all," Arians said. "If I ever return to coaching it will only be in Cleveland."
When Gelb noted that Green Bay is one of the more desirable openings to come available, Arians held to his stance.
"Yeah, it is," Arians said. "It's just I have no desire to coach in Green Bay."
Seriously...I have no clue why that guy gets so much press as being a great coach. The guy is a clown who inherited a franchise that sucked so long, they had amassed a large talent cache, much like the Whiners under Harbaugh.
pkr_north posted:I thought the DL was doing ok...not so much, its one injury away (76) from being bad. I didn't believe it until 76 was out last week, the DL can't do it with 97 only. We def need to beef up on DL. I look at what redskins did there, in the draft, they are way imprvoved up front. i agree that DL (strength this draft), then CB - cuz 20 can't stay healthy - then LB/OLB pass rusher...but they are all needs. OL is next, really weak.
This is what makes me "just an armchair talent guy."
So you've got:
1. DL
2. CB
3. LB/OLB
4. OL
Three positions prioritized higher than OL and I have OL #1. Meanwhile, others would go with S or WR. Some with TE.
This is just not a very talented team.
