MM (with Murphy's blessing) returned to Lambeau on Tuesday to talk /say farewell to his staff, and again on Wednesday to talk with the team. Classy.
Linky:
Grave Digger posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:That kind of chicken salad out of chicken shit would have made a world of difference over the last 3/4s of the time Capers was around
We're 16th in points, the average over Capers tenure from 2011-2017 is 18th. Fun fact: GB is currently giving up 23.9 points per game, the average in the same span under Capers? 22.9.
What was it in the playoffs?
The other issue is the current D is playing with a "less than optimal" offense on the other side of the ball. Would be interesting to see time of possession avg for Capers v. this year.
A lot easier to keep the opponents point total down when the offense is functioning normally. Need to view this year's defense within the context of the dysfunctional offense.
Dom never would have got the results that Pettine did.
DurangoDoug posted:MM (with Murphy's blessing) returned to Lambeau on Tuesday to talk /say farewell to his staff, and again on Wednesday to talk with the team. Classy.
Linky:
Leaks?
packerboi posted:In short, Capers sucks.
Henry posted:What was it in the playoffs?
26.9 from 2011 to 2016.
26.1 overall from 2009 to 2016.
Capers was not good, but both he and Pettine are dealing with a lot of the same problems.
DurangoDoug posted:MM (with Murphy's blessing) returned to Lambeau on Tuesday to talk /say farewell to his staff, and again on Wednesday to talk with the team. Classy.
Linky:
It's classy on part of MM and the organization. Bet Moss doesn't get the same treatment. 
packerboi posted:Except the minor detail that scoring is dramatically up in the NFL in the last couple years due to rule changes that heavily tilt advantages to the offense.
So what Dom was giving up in points per game can't be compared to how things in the NFL are operating now.
In short, Capers sucks.
As most any football fan will tell you, watching NFL games in 2018 has been exciting. One reason is that scoring is on a record-setting pace. After 11 weeks, the NFL has been on a record pace for most points scored (7,791), most touchdown (895) and most passing touchdowns (570). On average, there are 48.4 points scored in a game, another record.
We are on pace to see over 12,400 points scored this season, roughly 700 points more than the average point total from 2011-2017. That works out to roughly an extra 3 points per game. I know it seems like this defense is much improved because we're seeing a different, more physical style of play than we've seen in the past, but the talent barrier is still holding this defense back. Again, Capers wasn't good, but he wasn't the only problem.
I see that. It's hard not to get excited by some of what we've seen on D this year but at the same time some of those stats are the same as they ever were. And we've seen chunk plays given up by the secondary too often also, like before. Capers also ran into the same issues MM did with becoming predictable and players losing urgency. You see the parts of the D that are working better and can only assume others will follow with a bolstered roster.
Grave Digger posted:
Chunk plays in the run defense, chunk plays in the pass defense,........ 3 and 23 to a 2-9 team from Arizona in December......
Fandame posted:DurangoDoug posted:MM (with Murphy's blessing) returned to Lambeau on Tuesday to talk /say farewell to his staff, and again on Wednesday to talk with the team. Classy.
Linky:
It's classy on part of MM and the organization. Bet Moss doesn't get the same treatment.
That’d be funny as shit. The Packers are soooo classy they should have Moss back to address team, then Dom, then Mike Sherman. They could hold an event in the Atrium and open it up to the public. Charge $100 a head. Great Murphy sound bite to boot. Pro-Shop could sell t-shirts.
Biggest difference in this defense is that Pettine believes that you defend the pass first, while Capers believed it was the run.
I'd love to know the dynamic inside 1265 through 12 games as to who held who accountable. I think many here agree the offense, including 12, has been nothing short of broken thus far. But as that pertains to friction between the units, who was speaking up and was there blame being laid amongst the coaching staff? Was the inability for MM and 12 to get on the same page even more damaging than simply the ineptness of the offense? Did MM look at Pettine working with chickens**t and still a solid unit and see Pettine as a threat? As opposed to the Capers era in particular? Was Moss vocal in laying blame on the offense and AR in particular, as the defense was constantly placed in bad situations each and every week? I'm not playing any side, I'd just be curious to understand the inner workings here. Someone mentioned Philbin's less than active role after 12 weeks- another topic for debate. While we may never know, the way it's played out could be nothing more than a stale system that's been tuned out, and coaches opinions of different units that spun out of control and MM just couldn't hold things together like he'd done in the past. Regardless, the dysfunction had settled in under MM's watch. I think the firing of WM may just have been a lucky break that mgmt. couldn't pass up. And as such, a bonus extraction of more dysfunction.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:What was it in the playoffs?26.9 from 2011 to 2016.
26.1 overall from 2009 to 2016.
Capers was not good, but both he and Pettine are dealing with a lot of the same problems.
Really? I didn't realize Pettine had offense helping out like in 2011.
WM got fired because he tweeted that idiocy about "offensive Guru" & "holding 12 accountable" basically trying to undermine Philbin & Rodgers. I guess he did it because he's pissed about being passed over for the interim job. You know, since he was "Assistant Head Coach" and all.
I wish WMM (What, Me Murphy) had let Moss be interim. Pressers would've been fabulous after the games. Not to mention guaranteeing a 4-11-1 record
watch, they are gonna leave philbin in. with pettine as dc. just have a hunch.
Yes, the fact that Moss was assistant HC isn't getting reported anywhere that I have read. Best kept Packer secret.
If we go after an offensive guru that isn't Philbin, I vote for UCF HC Josh Heupel. He continues to impress where ever he goes. When he was a player at Oklahoma he could pick apart a defense. When he was the OC at Missouri he took a nationally ranked 124th offense and in 2 years they were the 7th nationally ranked offense. He Lock got along well and Lock benefited from him. He is 40, can relate to younger players well, and is very smart and can have meaningful discussions with AR about game plans.
The funny thing about the Asst. HC title for Moss was it was supposed to protect him from being hired away. McVince WAAAY overvaluing a stiff assistant.
The search net may have to be extremely wide. Pete Dougherty says the Packers HC position is not the best one out their and comes with lots of baggage.
Packers Job Alluring But Browns is Better
My feeling is the Packers need to find a HC to work with Rodgers now but also one who can set the table for long term success as AR's playing career winds down. They'll need a coach who can find and develop AR's replacement eventually. The framework is there is GB and always has been. So candidates who are fickle about any AR issues need not apply.
Sorry but I will never in this lifetime believe the Browns job is better than the Packers job. Sure, there are some old Packers front office types in Cleveland and they have some good young talent but the Browns owner is a nut job who meddles continously.
I guarrantee you no matter what turds the media tries to stir the Packers job is considered a crown jewel in coaching circles.
Key point in Dougherty's piece:
Aaron Rodgers has had two sustained stretches of mediocre play in the last four years. The first was a 19-game run in 2015 and ’16, when he put up an 8-11 record and 88.9 rating. The other has been this season’s 4-7-1 stretch with a 99.3 rating, which helped get Mike McCarthy fired Sunday night.
Packer's job offers a HOF QB, but there are some questions at the position.
Browns look like a team on the rise with a talented young QB, a GM that has a strong track record, and a lot of young rising talent. I'm sure it's an attractive job. On the flip side they have an owner who is a stone cold idiot and their talented young QB seems to have an uneven personality and is still incredibly unproven. You're basically starting over with him and you can't be sure how personalities will mesh and how he will work in your system (unless you're Lincoln Riley). People are making a big deal of Bruce Arians not wanting the GB job as if he's saying Cleveland is better, but maybe he just WANTS to be in Cleveland and it has nothing to do with the attractiveness of any other job. I know it's odd to think someone WANTS to be in Cleveland, but that seems to be the case.
GB has a HOF QB with several more years left, a young GM that isn't set in his ways yet, and veteran talent at multiple key positions. It's also a team just 2 years removed from an NFCC appearance.
This is frickin' hilarious.
Traded away all their good players...Randall, Monty, HaHa Clinton Dix. The three best players on the team. Can't make this shit up. He's played better than any Safety we've had this season and I'm still glad we traded him. Fukkin tool.
Arians has said before the GB job was even open that the only job he was interested in was CLE. He has his own reasons for only wanting to coach there.
It is true that the GB position has some unique challenges but what team doesn't. As far as MM is concerned, he may be a good fit for JAX if he can find a good OC. They will probably look for a new HC if they continue down their current path.
JAX needs a QB also. They have pieces in place, Dom Capers could do wonders with that defense!
Gravedigger:
GB has a HOF QB with several more years left
I think there is a possibility that by the time the roster has been improved to where it needs to be, Rodgers has little time left.
pkr_north posted:watch, they are gonna leave philbin in. with pettine as dc. just have a hunch.
Probably....why?
Because the final record is going to be 8-7-1
just have a hunch.
I'm expecting a blowout of Atlanta to kick it off.
Grave Digger posted:
GB has a HOF QB with several more years left, a young GM that isn't set in his ways yet, and veteran talent at multiple key positions. It's also a team just 2 years removed from an NFCC appearance.
It is almost hard to believe that this team (and the Falcons for that matter) where in the NFCC two seasons ago. Here were the Packers starters for that game:
Rodgers, Montgomery, Adams, Nelson, Cobb, J. Cook, Bakh, L. Taylor, Linsley, TJ Lang, Bulaga,
Daniels, Guion, Peppers, J. Thomas, Jake Ryan, CM3, Randall, Hyde, Gunther, Burnett, Dix.
For this week's game, the Packers will start 5/11 of the same guys on offense and 1/11 guys on defense.
That's a lot of turnover in less than two years.
pkr_north posted:watch, they are gonna leave philbin in. with pettine as dc. just have a hunch.
I would agree if the last 7 days hadn't happened. I don't think they fire MM after last Sunday's game if they weren't ready to be bold in their HC search.
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Cleveland is a better job...because Baker Mayfield has played less $hitty than those that came before him. Oy vey...
MichiganPacker posted:Daniels, Guion, Peppers, J. Thomas, Jake Ryan, CM3, Randall, Hyde, Gunther, Burnett, Dix.
Fukk that is a depressing starting 11.
ha ha ha, cleveland is a better job, now that's crisp. doesn't anybody remember who the owner is?
The Heckler posted:Sorry but I will never in this lifetime believe the Browns job is better than the Packers job. Sure, there are some old Packers front office types in Cleveland and they have some good young talent but the Browns owner is a nut job who meddles continously.
I guarrantee you no matter what turds the media tries to stir the Packers job is considered a crown jewel in coaching circles.
The Browns is a no-lose coaching situation. You have a young team with a good GM and lots of draft picks. If you come in and turn that around you become a coach of legend in the NFL. If you flounder, you can always blame the owner and well, it's the Browns, nobody expected success anyway. People aren't going to blame the coach.
If you go to the Packers and flounder, people will blame you for wasting Rodgers career. If you win you will have to share the spotlight with Rodgers.
Obviously the Packer job gives a coach a much better chance to actually win. When I hear Arians say he only wants the CLE job, I hear a coach who wants all the credit for winning, none of the downside for losing. I hear an ego driven coach, not one who wants his best shot at a ring.
Find me a coach who wants a ring above his own ego and put him in the FO at Lambeau.