New HC

There is one guy out there that could elevate this thing to where it needs to be in the next year or two, without a massive roster overhaul, and I have no idea, but i wonder if he might not quietly express an interest in the job...IF he has a desire to get back into football...that man is..Mike Holmgren. Yes, he's 70, but I think he could do it for 3-4 years and by that time Arodg should be just about close to the end anyway.

Also, you just never know who might be available...There COULD be a current Head Coach out there who has always dreamed about being the Packers Head Coach, but took a different job because he never thought the Packers job would be available anytime soon. Just saying, the Coach could be someone no one ever thought would be available.

Lincoln Riley in 2 years at Oklahoma:

• 2 Heisman Winners
• 2 #CFBPlayoff Appearances
• 2 Conference Championships

Can’t do much better than that. 🔥 pic.twitter.com/O42sAz2RHu

— CFB Kings (@CFBKings) December 9, 2018

If Riley makes the NFL jump he is going to have to change his philosphy and at least make some sort of commitment to defense.  HIs defenses at OU have been atrocious.  

Me personally I would pass on any Big 12 coaches you have to play some defense to win the NFL.

biggest challenge is working with rodgers.  so whether a defensive minded coach comes in and keeps philbin, or philbin is the coach, that is minimal change for ar, who has said he is under the impression that this is not going to be a complete teardown.  going to someone like riley would be a teardown.  even someone like mcdaniels would change alot of stuff.  i just think the brain trust will keep philbin and get more talent...that's how i honestly see this thing going.  if they didn't commit to 12, it maybe a different discussion.

The Heckler posted:

If Riley makes the NFL jump he is going to have to change his philosphy and at least make some sort of commitment to defense.  HIs defenses at OU have been atrocious.  

Me personally I would pass on any Big 12 coaches you have to play some defense to win the NFL.

IMO, I don't think the Packers have the luxury to go through the growing pains of a college coach as he transitions to the NFL. Nearly every one that has no NFL experience, it takes a couple years for them to adjust, etc. And many wash out and just can't make the jump to the big leagues.

With a 35 year old Rodgers, they need to win and win now. That almost certainly means making a hire with NFL experience. Whether it's a Matt LaFleur or a CarMichaeal JR or ________, the team needs to hit the ground running. 

The thing about Lincoln Riley, it's not exactly like he built it from the ground up. His daddy retired and handed him the keys to a Fortune 500 company. Those Heisman Trophy winners were already in the program when he took over.

I think he's a fine enough coach, but I'm not willing to entrust an NFL franchise to him yet. If Cleveland wants to roll those dice, go for it.

Carmichael has been someone I've long been a fan of...and he can bring Joe Lombardi with him as our OC...that's right...the grandson of Vincent Thomas back in Titletown!

after reading about the potential candidates the past week the one that is really intriguing is Matt LaFleur, OC of Tennessee

"Matt LaFleur should be on top of the Packers' list. He was the quarterbacks coach for the Atlanta Falcons in 2016 when the team reached the Super Bowl and he was the offensive coordinator for the Los Angeles Rams last year when they were one of the top offenses in the NFL. LaFleur has worked closely with current San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan over the years and he could make some magic with Rodgers and the Packers offense. "

Philbin wins out and it's his gig, and he'll keep Angry Bald Man. Rest of the staff is open for discussion. 

Come home Reggie and work with Gutekunst to build a deep team.

Strong endorsement from someone who was there and really has no reason to blow sunshine. 

WolfPack posted:

after reading about the potential candidates the past week the one that is really intriguing is Matt LaFleur, OC of Tennessee

"Matt LaFleur should be on top of the Packers' list. He was the quarterbacks coach for the Atlanta Falcons in 2016 when the team reached the Super Bowl and he was the offensive coordinator for the Los Angeles Rams last year when they were one of the top offenses in the NFL. LaFleur has worked closely with current San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan over the years and he could make some magic with Rodgers and the Packers offense. "

I like LaFleur. The fact that the Titans actually won gameS (with an S) with Blaine Gabbert at QB speaks to the quality of his coaching ability. He makes chicken salad. 

Hungry5 posted:

Philbin wins out and it's his gig, and he'll keep Angry Bald Man. Rest of the staff is open for discussion. 

 

Is Philbin's offense really much different than McCarthy's? I thought that was one of the main issues. I like Joe as a stabilizing factor in the interim but if they're going to fix this thing let's get some new ideas and blood that can help push this offense into something that can compete in the future. 

Ubetcha posted:

Is Philbin's offense really much different than McCarthy's? I thought that was one of the main issues. 

I haven't listened to one NFL pundit who thinks that Philbin has any chance of becoming the Packers next HC in 2019 and that includes even if they win out. 

Of course, weirder shit has happened in the NFL, but I think the Packers just want to go in an entirely new direction. Outside voices, new ideas, new concepts. Aside from Pettine (who can be considered new), I don't see any of these assistants sticking around. 

The Packers are likely to be starting Jason Spriggs, Justin McCray, Linsley, Lucas Patrick, and Bakh against a very good Bears defense in Chicago. Even with Bakh, that might be the worst offensive line in the NFL next week.

That is a recipe for a dominant defensive performance. If Philbin can generate offense with quick passes, etc. then he should be in the conversation as an offensive coordinator for some NFL team next year.

To be fair to the guys we are starting, it's not like our best 5 this year would dominate that DLine anyway...the Rams have one of the best lines in the league and they got worked over. It's a great DL. 

The reason you saw the O strategy change in the second half is you can really only run short quick hitters for a half before the D starts clogging the throwing lanes and playing press.  Everyone points to NEP but they don't run that strategy all game either.  Gronk kind of loosens it all up when healthy.  At some point you have to prove you can run the ball with success, and just once in a while pass block long enough for a deeper route to open up and hit.

I hope that Murphy et al don't completely pander to AR when it comes to the new coach.  Comfort is what has allowed this team to not reach it's true potential the last 5-6 years.  In my opinion a complete teardown is what the offense needs. AR is on the back nine of his career but he's still one of the most talented and cerebral QB's in the game.  I'm sure he can grasp a new offense.  The powers that  be must not be too shortsighted.  Rodgers is 35 and while we all have dreams of him playing high level football until he's 41 (aka Brady) the odds are that he won't.  The new coach needs to be someone who can win with Rodgers now but also be able to develop the next QB.

Though Peyton was a bit older, didn't he bring a lot of the offense from IND with him to DEN?

DocBenni posted:

I hope that Murphy et al don't completely pander to AR when it comes to the new coach.  Comfort is what has allowed this team to not reach it's true potential the last 5-6 years.  In my opinion a complete teardown is what the offense needs. AR is on the back nine of his career but he's still one of the most talented and cerebral QB's in the game.  I'm sure he can grasp a new offense.  The powers that  be must not be too shortsighted.  Rodgers is 35 and while we all have dreams of him playing high level football until he's 41 (aka Brady) the odds are that he won't.  The new coach needs to be someone who can win with Rodgers now but also be able to develop the next QB.

This post. Specifically “comfort” deserves its own thread. Probably more for the coaches but players as well. And drafting since 2014. 

Mike McCarthy went way too far down the road of reliance on Rodgers 5 years ago and that comfort is where Green Bay is today. 

That comfort made Rodgers the perceived problem he is today. Rodgers said everyone needed to be all in back in 2016. But comfort is tough to shake. 

DH13 posted:

Though Peyton was a bit older, didn't he bring a lot of the offense from IND with him to DEN?

Manning went to Denver at age 36 and was great from age 36 to 38. Ironically, he was terrible at age 39 (9 TDS/17 ints), but they won the Super Bowl in spite of him. 

DeFilippo isnt really in the running for our Head Coach is he?  

I hope not. I really don't see what all the hype is about there. I mean maybe if he wasn't in charge of play calling but why would you want a guy that sucks at play calling to be hired as a head coach? You should be good at your job to get promoted. 

In before “we should hire the offensive coordinator that just got fired by the Vikings.” Absolutely no.

Not really DeFilippo's fault Spielnuts got a woody for Kirk Frerotte.

That said, keep that WOP 1,000 miles from 1265.

Good bet he was on Mark Murphy's interview list. He can do that now if he still wants to. https://t.co/3bQ8Cj51xe

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 11, 2018

MM didn't set the world on fire as OC before his HC gig.  Not campaigning for DeFlip, just sayin.

Payton had playcalling duties yanked in the most unceremonious way with the Giants I believe. 

Nobody is better in the NFL at racking up garbage time passing yards than @KirkCousins8 #MINvSEA #Vikings

— Joe Thomas (@joethomas73) December 11, 2018

DeFillipo did well with the Eagles QBs last year, but much like Tom Clements he probably needs to stay a position coach instead of coordinator. 

Chongo posted:

Not really DeFilippo's fault Spielnuts got a woody for Kirk Frerotte.

That said, keep that WOP 1,000 miles from 1265.

Hey!! Kiel & I resemble that remark. 

Chongo posted:

Good bet he was on Mark Murphy's interview list. He can do that now if he still wants to. https://t.co/3bQ8Cj51xe

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 11, 2018

NO NO NO NO NO

Great article by Andrew Brandt about MM and the new HC position.

My sense is that the Packers have their eye on a candidate that they wanted to contact now, someone not currently working for an NFL team, rather than having to wait until January. Absent a candidate outside the league, why make this move now to simply interview NFL candidates under contract until after the season? I believe they did not want to reach out to a candidate while Mike had the position. I do not know who that candidate might be, but it’s likely a college coach who has time to interview before heavy bowl game/college playoff preparation begins in a week or so.

Murphy is also close with a search firm—the firm that brought Murphy to the Packers—and would be keenly aware of potential candidates inside and outside the NFL.

I also believe that the Packers want player input—yes, including from Aaron—on the next head coach. As anyone inside the league knows, the morning after the last game of the season, player parking lots resemble the start of the Indy 500; players are on to their offseason and untethered from the team. The timing of this Packers move gives the team a captive audience of the future coach’s pupils for the next few weeks; due diligence within their locker room can only help towards the future.

No! DeFlip was mentioned by someone, but it's hard to see it happening. He was the QB coach with Philly, not the OC. I'd rather have a guy who had more responsibility than for just QBs when I'm looking at a head coach. 

CBS Sports: "The ugly offensive performance was a combination of things that have plagued Minnesota all season long: an inability to establish the run, an inability to protect Kirk Cousins and an inability to play good offensive football against teams with a winning record." 

Let's see... can't establish the run, can't protect the QB -- just two of the absolute necessaries for a team to succeed. Zimmer should have fired his OL coach instead. And his QB makes dumb and dumber decisions when games are on the line. A backward throw?  And it's not like Zimmer can pick good OCs or give them time to succeed. This is his fourth OC since 2014. Next man up!

I always liked Bill Cowher and had hoped that he would make his way to Green Bay at one time....but I think he is too comfortable now in his cushy TV job....he's 61 years old,  so he's not to old to coach, but maybe his style is out of date? 

Henry posted:

Payton had playcalling duties yanked in the most unceremonious way with the Giants I believe. 

No hank, the cowboys

Henry posted:

Great article by Andrew Brandt about MM and the new HC position. 

 

 

Finally! A voice of reason and wisdom.

bandit posted:

Henry posted:

Payton had playcalling duties yanked in the most unceremonious way with the Giants I believe. 

No hank, the cowboys

He was OC of Giants before the Cowboys.  Fassel basically humiliated him and pulled his play-calling duties.  Hence his departure to Dallas with Parcells.

Now that you are right

Henry posted:

Great article by Andrew Brandt about MM and the new HC position.

My sense is that the Packers have their eye on a candidate that they wanted to contact now, someone not currently working for an NFL team, rather than having to wait until January. Absent a candidate outside the league, why make this move now to simply interview NFL candidates under contract until after the season? I believe they did not want to reach out to a candidate while Mike had the position. I do not know who that candidate might be, but it’s likely a college coach who has time to interview before heavy bowl game/college playoff preparation begins in a week or so.

 

Murphy is also close with a search firm—the firm that brought Murphy to the Packers—and would be keenly aware of potential candidates inside and outside the NFL.

I also believe that the Packers want player input—yes, including from Aaron—on the next head coach. As anyone inside the league knows, the morning after the last game of the season, player parking lots resemble the start of the Indy 500; players are on to their offseason and untethered from the team. The timing of this Packers move gives the team a captive audience of the future coach’s pupils for the next few weeks; due diligence within their locker room can only help towards the future.

 

Right so it’s Pat Fitzgerald.

Wait, is Bielema employed anywhere? He’s probably available. 

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

Great article by Andrew Brandt about MM and the new HC position.

My sense is that the Packers have their eye on a candidate that they wanted to contact now, someone not currently working for an NFL team, rather than having to wait until January. Absent a candidate outside the league, why make this move now to simply interview NFL candidates under contract until after the season? I believe they did not want to reach out to a candidate while Mike had the position. I do not know who that candidate might be, but it’s likely a college coach who has time to interview before heavy bowl game/college playoff preparation begins in a week or so.

 

Murphy is also close with a search firm—the firm that brought Murphy to the Packers—and would be keenly aware of potential candidates inside and outside the NFL.

I also believe that the Packers want player input—yes, including from Aaron—on the next head coach. As anyone inside the league knows, the morning after the last game of the season, player parking lots resemble the start of the Indy 500; players are on to their offseason and untethered from the team. The timing of this Packers move gives the team a captive audience of the future coach’s pupils for the next few weeks; due diligence within their locker room can only help towards the future.

 

Right so it’s Pat Fitzgerald.

Wait, is Bielema employed anywhere? He’s probably available. 

He was working for Billy up in Foxboro.....he was scouting out the best buffets.

Do you think GB has enough buffets to be a realistic option for him? 

No but we do have Applebee’s