I do remember. My point was that a year from now you’ll still be blaming MM for everything. It was a joke. Sorry you didn’t get it. Merry Christmas!
Jesus' fake birthday was yesterday. Kwanzza is firing up. Bust out that dashiki.
Strongest statement yet in favor of interim coach Joe Philbin comes from Davante Adams: "I'd love to see the search stop there."
It's to be expected that players are comfortable with familiarity. Continue to believe that a clean break from the MM era is the way to go.
There are reports being written that Rodgers is also supporting Philbin for consideration, based on this statement following last week's game:
"We want to play for Joe and give him the best opportunity possible."
My take is that he would say this and similar in an effort to keep everybody focused for the last game of this season and not necessarily stumping for Philbin.
But there are some that believe the opposite, apparently.
Here's one take:
Aaron Rodgers Encourages Packers To Fight For Joe Philbin's Job In Weird Statement
Joe seems like a good guy and someone players can respect. I don’t think he’s the right guy for this job (unless he overhauls the entire staff and hires a homerun OC) and while I’m sure players would like to see him retained I doubt any will be disgruntled if he isn’t.
Won't matter who the coaches are if the team is winning.
Hungry5 posted:Won't matter who the coaches are if the team is winning.
Is this the strongest statement yet for hiring someone off the street and saving some money?
The head coaching interviews are underway...
I will. This tells me their top candidates are white. They have to interview minorities.
****ing worst requirement in sports by bumbass ass entitled white ****s. And it gets uglier every ****ing year.
I don't want him in Green Bay, but Caldwell's a much better candidate than Philbin. At least he had some winning teams in Detroit.
The fact GB interviewed an African American who has zero chance of landing the job is a mother ****ing embarrassment to Green Bay, The NFL, and most importantly to Jim Caldwell.
Everything about this rule is complete bullshit. **** this NFL rule forever.
Philbin just seems like more of the status quo. Are Aaron and Devante just looking for a comfortable situation? Maybe Joe is better than MM with some of the details, but too much of the same.
The need to scrap the status quo and move toward innovation is here. And it has nothing to do with Joe Philbin.
Joe had a chance in Miami and he was a disaster. All players like the interim coach. He's the substitute teacher of coaching.
also interviewed Pagano...
Detroit is where careers go to die. Caldwell didn't do that bad in Detroit but per usual, the owners fu** everything up. He did well in Indy, not his fault Manning's neck required surgery.
He probably has little chance of getting hired but I like him way more then Philbin.
CoPackFan posted:also interviewed Pagano...
If they are looking to hire a defensive HC, might as well promote Pettine to HC.
I can't see GB going in that direction at this stage in Aaron's career.
Murphy will **** everything up.
ChilliJon posted:Murphy will **** everything up.
Oh no doubt...this already demonstrates he has no idea what he's doing...you zero in on your #1 candidate first(back channels etc) and make him say no...then and ONLY then do you "go down the list" of interviews. But if this is going to be a process of 10+ interviews, then he has no idea what he's doing. You should already know who you want.
Caldwell was 4-4 against MM and a miracle Hail Mary from 5-3. Certainly wouldn't consider him a frontrunner for the job but worthy of an interview with a better track record than Joe Philbin.
What if their is a candidate out there that no one expects is a candidate?? What if there is a current Head Coach that has always dreamed of the Packers HC job, but never had a chance to get it because McCarthy was there so long, so this Coach took a job somewhere else because he felt he needed to get his feet wet at some point. There are people out there that have said it's the greatest job in sports, that being the Packers HC is special..well, what if, Kyle Shanahan, or Sean McVay, or someone like that feels it's their "dream job" and are a candidate?? Now, is that likely?? No, probably not, but I guess we just don't know...it is an alluring job, and you just don't know what other HC's motivations are.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:ChilliJon posted:Murphy will **** everything up.
You should already know who you want.
Maybe they do but can't talk to him because his team is still alive in the playoffs.
I have very little faith in Murphy. Murphy needs to back TF off & let Gutey find the next HC. Let's see how this plays out.
This has all the makings of not ending well.
They can't interview coordinators yet because the season is still going. They won't be able to touch most of the top candidates until after they're out of the playoffs.
This is getting a head start on the process.
Chill TFO and stop acting like they've already signed Pagano and Caldwell to lifetime deals when these were likely warm-up interviews at best.
I'd like to have Pagano and Caldwell as coordinators, but as HC's they couldn't put together a complete team despite having franchise QBs in place. Caldwell would have Pettine and Aaron Rodgers in place and we know he's smart enough to get out of the way of a talented established roster (see 2009-2010 w/ Colts), but he's not the guy I want while the team is finding a new identity and building that roster. I don't think this is a big deal or a sign of things to come, I anticipate they will do a lot of interviews, these guys are just available right now. Doesn't seem like they are interested in college guys, again I think that was smoke coming from Riley and others camps to squeeze more money out of their schools.
I'd actually be more concerned if Murphy did not look at a variety of candidates. I'd just call that due diligence. There's going to be a flurry of interviews throughout the league as soon as the season closes. Hopefully, Murphy has been getting his "short list" together since the beginning of the year. These are just the warm-ups. You'd also want to have some options in case the guy you want says "no thanks".
Philbin....
IF Pettine was retained and allowed to fill his D coaching staff... (had a little sad when I saw Kevin Greene coaching for the Jets last weekend)
AND Zook and staff were canned...
AND an innovative OC was hired and allowed to hire all the coaches he wanted...
AND Philbin hired the right ST coach... (and I don't know who that is)
... I could maybe possibly just a smidge maybe be OK with Philbin as HC if he stayed out of the way and just drove the ship.
But a clean break feels more right than anything.
Ubetcha posted:I'd actually be more concerned if Murphy did not look at a variety of candidates. I'd just call that due diligence. There's going to be a flurry of interviews throughout the league as soon as the season closes. Hopefully, Murphy has been getting his "short list" together since the beginning of the year. These are just the warm-ups. You'd also want to have some options in case the guy you want says "no thanks".
I am not one just yet to say that Murphy will F this up beause right now you are going to see a bunch of retreads and has beens coming in for interviews. To me where we can judge him is who is brought in once teams are eliminated from the playoffs.
As for Philbin I am not real enthusiastic about him he just doesn't excite me that he can get the team to turn the corner and get back to where we are used to. But then again I don't know the first thing about Philbin and what Murphy's list of candidates looks like.
I dont remember anyone here getting all excited when MM was interviewed. In fact, I remember many here were wanting Jim Bates to be the head coach because he had done a pretty good job as DC under Shermans last year. He was rumored to want Marriuchi as OC and Favre was going to be happy again. The decision to hire MM worked out pretty well. I have no idea who would be good or not and have to trust Gute to bring in someone that will be good for the franchise.
FloridaRob that is very true about many (including myself) not being excited about MM being hired in 2006. When he was with the Pack in '99 as QB coach, Favre had his worst season since becoming a Packer and MM was ousted along with the rest of Ray Rhodes' staff. McCarthy did have some success with Aaron Brooks at New Orleans. Then McCarthy went to the 49ers where their offense was one of the worst in the league at the time the Pack hired him. He looked like a disaster in waiting, but overall did a very good job even though I think anyone who watched the Pack regularly the past 12 years would never call him a great coach.
No to Philbin. I am in the camp that believes the Pack will best profit from a different (more innovative) offensive scheme. Philbin seems to me to be an offensive coordinator whose playing card is the present scheme.
As to leadership and motivational qualities, I have no idea, but my guess is he is not stellar in those areas.
If we are considering a college coach, then we need look no further... 
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Timmy! posted:There are reports being written that Rodgers is also supporting Philbin for consideration, based on this statement following last week's game:
"We want to play for Joe and give him the best opportunity possible."
My take is that he would say this and similar in an effort to keep everybody focused for the last game of this season and not necessarily stumping for Philbin.
But there are some that believe the opposite, apparently.
Here's one take:
Aaron Rodgers Encourages Packers To Fight For Joe Philbin's Job In Weird Statement
Rodgers has always said he liked working with Philbin and he liked McVince's system. Not surprised at all he would lobby for Philbin along with other players, as MJ stated, due to familiarity. Yes, they could win with Philbin but my issue is Philbin's "familiarity" with the shit asst. coaches on this staff. I don't know how much Philbin changes up this offense, an offense that is stale and predictable regardless of new wrinkles. Maybe the message and decision making from McVince went tits up but keeping the same system in place just makes no sense. Does Philbin succeed with the same system but with better decision making? Possibly, but comfort factor and "silos" and all is the reason this team is where it's at right now. They beat the Jets, big ****ing deal. I'd be fine with Philbin if I knew he'd be cleaning house but I highly doubt that would be the case.
As far as "silos", good thing Murphy created more divisions within the organization since he couldn't handle all two of the previous "silos".
Philbin and Jim Caldwell are a lot alike IMO. Both are well liked "CEO-type" HCs who have to have a quality staff to succeed. I could get on board with Philbin IF he retained Pettine, hired a quality OC like Caldwell or even better Adam Gase (who will likely be fired in Miami), and really worked to put together a quality staff. I think Gute can deliver the talent, but we need quality coordinators to utilize them.