Self edit: point made.
I remember how fans and media in Philly laughed when GB hired Rhodes. That would be the same response from fans and media in Miami if Joe got the job. It's time to move on from the sad Sherman/McCarthy coaching tree.
Interviewing Jim Caldwell seems clever. He coached against them 4 years, had 4-4 record head to head. (He was a miracle Hail Mary from being 5-3.) Gives #Packers chance to learn something about themselves from someone who knows them well. For that, they comply with Rooney Rule.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) December 27, 2018
From @gmfb: The #Packers got a head start on the coaching search process, interviewing former coaches Jim Caldwell (62-50 record even with the 2-14 post-Peyton year) and Chuck Pagano (hear him, Packers fans https://t.co/dKOFpE15TL) pic.twitter.com/ppt1ckP2zH
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 27, 2018
He says 10-12 interviews.
What are the tampering rules in regards to interviewing college coaches? I'm assuming it's the same, season needs to be over and permission to interview? I guess if they announced Caldwell and Pagano interviews they would announce any college candidates.
I don't think there are tampering rules between the NFL and college. I think they're free to interview anyone they want from college, but the coach might get Jeff Jagodzinski'd for actually interviewing.
I think that for college coaches they have to be careful if news of an interview gets out. The reason for that is rival coaches will use anything they can to sway recruits and they will tell them that the coach will be leaving soon and I am not going anywhere.
Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley says he’s not interested in the NFL right now https://t.co/6QnP5nja2s
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 27, 2018
And coincidentally they will soon announce a big fat raise for Riley.
Henry posted:phaedrus posted:Sandy Hook is a hoax, a false flag. No one died, these are all crisis actors.
Please tell me Phaedrus did not actually post that comment.
He didn't. Anytime he feels the need to interact with me this is what he'll get. As we both know, he's already made his conspiracy theories quite clear.
New HC, I get the high low search aspect of Caldwell and Pagano but if it becomes some old boys network search they might as well just hire McVince back.
Regardless of how extreme the differences between posters might be, using a fake post related to Sandy Hook is beyond any reasonable boundary. I hope the mods consider removing it.
RochNyFan posted:Regardless of how extreme the differences between posters might be, using a fake post related to Sandy Hook is beyond any reasonable boundary. I hope the mods consider removing it.
A fake post when this is exactly what he's stated on this board? The fact he's even ****ing here is gracious. He's going to wear it.
Henry posted:He didn't. Anytime he feels the need to interact with me this is what he'll get. As we both know, he's already made his conspiracy theories quite clear.
New HC, I get the high low search aspect of Caldwell and Pagano but if it becomes some old boys network search they might as well just hire McVince back.
Am I misunderstanding this? I thought you said he did not post that.
You are misunderstanding this. He's posted his thoughts on Sandy Hook being a hoax. On what can only be called overly magnanimous on my part, I haven't engaged the **** at all. POS made the mistake to think he could address me or engage me in any fashion. I will wear his ****ing hide like a Buffalo Bill suit and every response is going to be the same.
That's your first and last explanation as to why I'm going to skin that ****er if he isn't walking on eggshells around me.
He's really not worth the band width Henry.
Ok I may be just hyper-sensitive here but if it turns into a high-low search then it just confirms to me the Murphy is out of his league. There should be no need to parade in every guy who is available. If you are running and NFL team and are competent you should be able to weed out the low and focus in on a few guys that you want. This is not a franchise that has nothing to offer. I am scared Murphy is looking for the guy with the best mission statement.
Henry posted:Agreed. I've made my point. I'm done.
Is this your "I'm leaving" post? 
He should have had a pretty good idea when he showed Mike the door.
One thought on guys like Caldwell, Pagano, etc being interviewed. If the Packers are going to hire say a Pete CarMichael or a Matt LaFluer as their new HC, it makes sense to interview seasoned coaches with extensive HCing experience because these same guys may get paired with a rookie HC .
CarMichael JR as HC with say Caldwell as his OC/QB Coach? Not like it's not happened before. Maybe a seasoned guy in his 50's or 60's would be fine being a coordinator at this stage of his career. Less stress, less bullshit, and this way the Packers have interviewed these guys already and know more about them.
Fedya posted:Henry posted:Agreed. I've made my point. I'm done.
Is this your "I'm leaving" post?
You need to lay off Kiel's boxed wine stash.
packerboi posted:One thought on guys like Caldwell, Pagano, etc being interviewed. If the Packers are going to hire say a Pete CarMichael or a Matt LaFluer as their new HC, it makes sense to interview seasoned coaches with extensive HCing experience because these same guys may get paired with a rookie HC .
CarMichael JR as HC with say Caldwell as his OC/QB Coach? Not like it's not happened before. Maybe a seasoned guy in his 50's or 60's would be fine being a coordinator at this stage of his career. Less stress, less bullshit, and this way the Packers have interviewed these guys already and know more about them.
The more I read on Carmichael the more it seems like he's a Sherm Lewis type candidate. Nobody has made a serious overture as HC over his career likely because he really doesn't have much control in the offense with Payton running the show.
Floridarob posted:I dont remember anyone here getting all excited when MM was interviewed. In fact, I remember many here were wanting Jim Bates to be the head coach because he had done a pretty good job as DC under Shermans last year. He was rumored to want Marriuchi as OC and Favre was going to be happy again. The decision to hire MM worked out pretty well. I have no idea who would be good or not and have to trust Gute to bring in someone that will be good for the franchise.
My thoughts exactly. When MM was hired I had to googander the name just to figure out who he was. Then after reading his bio I checked to make sure it wasn’t April 1.
I don’t pay enough attention to college or NFL OCs and DCs to have an educated opinion on who would be a good choice. I wonder if Philbin wouldn’t be more of the same. I like Pettine as DC and I hope he remains. He said he liked being a DC and wasn’t interested in another HC job, but that coulda just been the right thing to say at the time.
The one guy I’m not impressed with is McDaniels. There is no perfect candidate and everybody has their negatives, but for some reason I have a bad feeling about that guy.
I’m just gonna trust that Murphy/Gute know what they’re doing.....nothing I can do about it anyway.
It's because McVince was a chicken salad guy. Yeah, the 49ers offense wasn't a ringing endorsement but he did good work when in NO and working with individual players. At one point, McVince was an innovator.
I think GD's suggestion of Matt LaFluer is an apt comparison and I hope he gets a long look.
McGinn has a new article tonight quoting James Jones and Brady Popinga. they are saying the Packers need to hire a defensive minded coach and then get out of Aarons way and let him run the offense. James Jones who is close to Aaron was really pushing that set up. Similar to the way Peyton Manning ran the Colts and Broncos. Rodgers is smart enough to do it. I am not sure i disagree with that. The only bad thing is that if something happens to Rodgers there is nobody there that can run the offense and the year is screwed.
Caldwell ran that set up in Indy so maybe that is another reason he was interviewed.
Bring Van Pelt back as OC and let them run the thing.
I agree with Jones and Poppinga. I don’t think Peyton ran the offense on his own though, Tom Moore was a great OC who was smart enough to collaborate with Peyton. Get a defensive coach, hire a good OC who build the offense with Rodgers.
Hate to say it but that's what Philbin's and Rodgers relationship sounds like even before he was hired by Miami so you know who Rodgers is lobbying for. If it works, great. I'd rather Philbin stays as OC if that's the case.
Floridarob posted:McGinn has a new article tonight quoting James Jones and Brady Popinga. they are saying the Packers need to hire a defensive minded coach and then get out of Aarons way and let him run the offense. James Jones who is close to Aaron was really pushing that set up. Similar to the way Peyton Manning ran the Colts and Broncos. Rodgers is smart enough to do it. I am not sure i disagree with that. The only bad thing is that if something happens to Rodgers there is nobody there that can run the offense and the year is screwed.
Caldwell ran that set up in Indy so maybe that is another reason he was interviewed.
Bring Van Pelt back as OC and let them run the thing.
This is a really good read. It's a long read. But it explains exactly why you wouldn't want Rodgers running this offense. And worse, hiring a "yes" man in Van Pelt or a MacAdoo who ran a carbon copy of MM's offense in NY.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/22988392
Rodgers mechanics show he's regressed in his discipline and how he's setting his feet and seeing the field. As good as his numbers were against a depleted, penalty fest shit show that were the Jets, once again you see Rodgers throwing passes that's literally all arm. Twice on those passes his feet were literally off the ground. Now that impressed the announcers last week, and yes it shows Aaron's arm strength. But those are not mechanics that are going to allow you to play until your 40.
He also, again, missed seeing or flat out refused to take the underneath stuff that was open. More sandlot style football. More waiting and waiting and waiting for guys to come open.
And as this article points out, this is the ONLY offense Aaron knows. And it's seriously flawed, out dated, and doesn't highlight a players best attributes like the Rams do.
Rodgers needs a new ideas, a new vision, a modern day offense and someone who can get his mechanics right again.
packerboi posted:Floridarob posted:McGinn has a new article tonight quoting James Jones and Brady Popinga. they are saying the Packers need to hire a defensive minded coach and then get out of Aarons way and let him run the offense. James Jones who is close to Aaron was really pushing that set up. Similar to the way Peyton Manning ran the Colts and Broncos. Rodgers is smart enough to do it. I am not sure i disagree with that. The only bad thing is that if something happens to Rodgers there is nobody there that can run the offense and the year is screwed.
Caldwell ran that set up in Indy so maybe that is another reason he was interviewed.
Bring Van Pelt back as OC and let them run the thing.
And worse, hiring a "yes" man in Van Pelt or a MacAdoo who ran a carbon copy of MM's offense in NY.
Again, hate to say it but that sounds a little bit like Philbin's and Rodgers relationship. I know winning makes everything great but it's time to clean house.
Henry posted:Hate to say it but that's what Philbin's and Rodgers relationship sounds like even before he was hired by Miami so you know who Rodgers is lobbying for. If it works, great. I'd rather Philbin stays as OC if that's the case.
Philbin didn’t build this system with Rodgers though, he’s executing a system someone else built with Rodgers. Again I think Philbin or even Caldwell would be fine actually IF they brought in quality coordinators to actually build and execute the schemes. They’re CEO types who run good programs and are probably good coaches and good motivators.
I have a hunch that Murphy is going to copy Pittsburgh again like he did with the FO reporting structure. I think he’s going to look for a young defensive mind in the mold of Mike Tomlin. Kris Richard is a guy that fits that mold IMO.
I don't trust Philbin to find good assistants considering the staff he currently inhabits.
Henry posted:I don't trust Philbin to find good assistants considering the staff he currently inhabits.
I think Philbin is a great team player. I think he sits well in Rodgers head because their most success came when McVince's system was at its peak, and Philbin was the good guy and they all enjoyed riding the wave together.
That cannot be the case if Joe were to be the new hire. Oversight of 53+ guys requires a stronger presence at the top. They need someone to come in and hold 12 accountable for his part- everything- the individual performance, the offense as a unit, and his role as a leader overall as the senior guy on the roster. Philbin may be a great buddy, but I don't see him as the type to lay down the law, least of all to the franchise guy.
If AR doesn't understand this, that his window is shrinking, that his mechanics for various reasons need to be honed again, then we could very well be witnessing another Bert. He should ask Brady whether it's better to have high fives and jokes or someone to hold him to the highest standard. He's got the most talent I've ever seen in a qb, but it will be disappointing if they don't hold him accountable and set their sights on another title. Honestly, I don't see Philbin as a guy who can take on that task. Not a slight on him, but they need to do their homework and get the right guy up to and beyond AR.
GratefulPack posted:Ok I may be just hyper-sensitive here but if it turns into a high-low search then it just confirms to me the Murphy is out of his league. There should be no need to parade in every guy who is available. If you are running and NFL team and are competent you should be able to weed out the low and focus in on a few guys that you want. This is not a franchise that has nothing to offer. I am scared Murphy is looking for the guy with the best mission statement.
Its going to be ok trust me. We are just a bunch of noobs posting on a fan site and we have no idea what is going on at 1265 or what the actual interaction was with the coaches who came in to interview. We also have no clue if Murphy is out of his league or not. I actually think it is a good thing to me that he is kicking the tires on coaches he might be remotely interested in than just putting all of his eggs in one basket.
Ron Wolf who is at Lombardi St Hood around here actually screwed up the Ray Rhodes hire. Hopefully the dynamic duo of Murphy and Gute will do better than that.
This was a good article from Silverstein earlier this month regarding how Ron Wolf went about the process. He pointed out that " I discovered after Ray Rhodes that I needed to interview a lot of people until you get the right guy.” Prior to hiring Holmgren, Bill Parcells was his guy until Parcells health became an issue.
And to his credit, he realized that he screwed up and didn’t waste any time fixing the problem.
Interesting their own in house guy turned down the DC position to go to Indy.