Gute yesterday, “After we talk to Mike we have to name an interim. Has to be Philbin... right?”
Murphy “Technically Winston Moss is next in line. He is the assistant head coach”
Gute “........”
Murphy “..................”
Both together “Bwaaaaaaaaaahaaaaa Haaaaaaa BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAAAAA”
Loved that and thanks for posting. The videos embedded helped illustrate the points. MM is from another era and is using things that don't work under the current rules.
This press conference is just odd.
Mark Murphy (who has control over the coach) and Brian Gazoontight (who controls the rest of the team) are just going back and forth.
Mark stammers through a bunch of non-answers, and then Brian actually answers the question to the extent he can or wants to.
This whole bifurcated front office is bizarre.
I really don't want Mark having a say in hiring. I have a lot of confidence Brian.
Goldie posted:Aaron wouldn't deliberately throw a game would he?? Nah, he wouldn't would he??? Nah, he wouldn't.
Imagine had Crosby made that kick. Dead man walking.
excalibur posted:Goldie posted:Aaron wouldn't deliberately throw a game would he?? Nah, he wouldn't would he??? Nah, he wouldn't.
Imagine had Crosby made that kick. Dead man walking.
I imagine it would have postponed the loss for another 10 minutes.
Murphy made it crystal clear. He’s hiring the next HC with Gutes input. Whatever that means.
Murphy is so going to screw this up.
12 should sit the rest of the year. He hasn't been right.
what is there to prove at this point?
a head coach to hire and 2 first round draft picks. gotta hit on these. These next 6 months will be crucial for the guys at the podium
ChilliJon posted:Murphy made it crystal clear. He’s hiring the next HC with Gutes input. Whatever that means.
Murphy is so going to screw this up.
Did you hear Murphy say that he doesn’t want to get a big ego or anything. But he was a ad for several years and hired a lot of coaches and has been in the nfl most of his adult life.
Riley would be hired to coach the offense. And as I mentioned a few weeks ago they should tell Riley that Pettine would be his DC. No sense changing defense again.
I did like he kept saying "we" not "I" when talking about hiring potential coach.
That's an easy one to slip at least once if it really is "I" not "we".
Jelly posted:12 should sit the rest of the year. He hasn't been right.
what is there to prove at this point?
Nope, he plays unless he is hurt....why else would anyone go to a game? And a Bear beatdown hurting their seed would be delicious.
He is a football player, football players play football.
I kinda like the idea of Harbaugh as coach with a offensive genius OC. though that would take alot of cheddar 
Grave Digger posted:Need a HC that will instill discipline with this team and create a culture, not just a coach with a great scheme. Pettine is shifting the culture on defense, but the offense is just too much finesse and relies too heavily on momentum. Even Rodgers is guilty of being affected by momentum swings, when things aren't going well he's been off this year, and when things are working well he's sharp.
First call: Nick Saban
Second call: Vic Fangio
Third Option: John Harbaugh (if available)
Darkhorse: Kris Richard (Cowboys DB coach)
In any case, hire Kliff Kingsbury to run the offense.
Said Saban lat year. But I think that he will want complete control should he step back into the NFL, and I would never go that route.
I wonder Joe P's emotions, coming full circle back to the place he lost a son.
Joe Philbin says he'll call the plays.
Hard to say what Saban would want, I'm sure he would at least want final say of the 53. I think he would want a similar set up to what Belichick has, which it's hard to say what BB's front office role is beyond having final say.
Sorry but I would drop the Saban idea. He isn't leaving Bama and he is the classic case of a guy who is a college coach and should stay there.
And also if Murphy doesn't want a gigantic ego ummm leave him off the list.
I am not so sure on Riley he has had what 2 years as a college coach and his defenses are atrocious.
Not a Saban guy but he is the best coach in the land other than Billy, you have to call the best there is. Have to.
I wonder what the QB Room will look like now that MM is gone? Will Gute deal Kizer? I never felt at ease with Kizer as our #2 QB. I do like him more than Hundley, though.
mrtundra posted:I wonder what the QB Room will look like now that MM is gone? Will Gute deal Kizer? I never felt at ease with Kizer as our #2 QB. I do like him more than Hundley, though.
Maybe see how he performs with a coach that knows what the hell they are doing on offense before dealing him?
Pikes Peak posted:Not a Saban guy but he is the best coach in the land other than Billy, you have to call the best there is. Have to.
Hard pass.
I don't think Saban is just a college guy. He did well with the Dolphins 1 year and fukked up by not signing Brees, signing Culpepper instead which doomed the second year. Supposedly he did well instilling the right attitude with his team, people are obviously bitter about how he left though. Had he signed Brees and stayed I think he would have been very successful. Control is the biggest issue, I think he would leave Bama though.
Henry posted:I think if you look at the absolute night and day scenario between the defense and offense, you again see the clear delineation of where McVince was failing. There is nothing left of that defensive roster and still those guys were hustling until they couldn't hustle anymore. The offense, not so much.
As many mistakes as they made, broken coverage, poor tackling, missed assignments, they STILL managed to keep the team in quite a few games. Gave the offense many opportunities even as they became more and more gassed into the second half. Heck, how many 3 and outs has the O essentially doomed their own defense in most of these losses.That's the effort thats been lacking for a good while now in GB.
So maybe things weren't imploding and word wasn't being filtered out from Rodgers camp?
Aaron Rodgers said he's frustrated about the things that have come out about his relationship with Mike McCarthy.
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 3, 2018
"Like any relationship we've had amazing times and times when we butt heads," Rodgers said. "We accomplished a lot together." https://t.co/nNw2IeB0aS
GratefulPack posted:Henry posted:Impossible! Green Bay is now a pariah for potential coaches.
Yeah right.
This team has some really good players. Played competitively against some very good teams (should have beaten a few of them). Except for the Ray Rhodes fiasco, the franchise is known to give coaches a lot of time. The only negative to this job is a somewhat dysfunctional reporting structure (and only one Applebees). I highly doubt many potential candidates would be passing on the job.
I'll just assume you don't understand sarcasm about "furious coaches".
Glad MM isn't getting shit on, he's not a bad guy. He won a lot in GB and ran a good program for most of his time. Regardless how you assign credit for winning, he ran the program that Rodgers worked in and it was a successful partnership. I don't think it's right players had to find out this way and he didn't get to address the team. I think he and the players deserved that. Not handled well by Murphy.
#Packers players saying they found out about McCarthy firing on Twitter and TV. McCarthy did not get a chance to address the team.
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) December 3, 2018
T Bryan Bulaga said negativity about McCarthy was unwarranted. “You knew you were going to be in it every year here. Plus, he’s a great man. It was an honor to play for him.”
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) December 3, 2018
Grave Digger posted:So maybe things weren't imploding and word wasn't being filtered out from Rodgers camp?
Aaron Rodgers said he's frustrated about the things that have come out about his relationship with Mike McCarthy.
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) December 3, 2018
"Like any relationship we've had amazing times and times when we butt heads," Rodgers said. "We accomplished a lot together." https://t.co/nNw2IeB0aS
WRONG!!! RODGERS HAS SECRETLY BEEN PUTTING LEAD CHIPS IN MCVINCE'S GRINDERS SO HE WOULD BECOME AN IDIOT AND RUN THE SAME OFFENSE OVER AND OVER SO RODGERS COULD TAKE OVER THE FRANCHISE FOR HIS OWN EVIL PURPOSES!
Timpranillo posted:Finish out the season, and clean house. You can't demand the new guy keeps any coach. Would be great to keep Pettine, but you have to let a head coach make his own decisions on all assistants.
I agree with you, that the HC is going to want his guys, but I think the organization has to make it known that Pettine stays. That's why firing MM was such a clusterF@#$
Timpranillo posted:Pikes Peak posted:Not a Saban guy but he is the best coach in the land other than Billy, you have to call the best there is. Have to.
Hard pass.
I second that. There's not a whole lot of recruiting that can be done in the NFL. Sure, there is some recruiting for free agents, but overall that is pretty limited. Saban is an incredible recruiter and certainly a good coach, but without that superior recruiting, I am not sure he'd be anything special in the NFL.
Timpranillo posted:Hundley and Kizer may not be great, but there's a reason they looked as bad as they did...
EXACTLY! Yeah, Hundley sucked but when McVince thought he could just plug Hundley in and then kept doing the same thing for 4 or 5 games, that was enough for me. He didn't just flop, he failed in spectacular fashion.
Henry posted:WRONG!!! RODGERS HAS SECRETLY BEEN PUTTING LEAD CHIPS IN MCVINCE'S GRINDERS SO HE WOULD BECOME AND IDIOT AND RUN THE SAME OFFENSE OVER AND OVER SO RODGERS COULD TAKE OVER THE FRANCHISE FOR HIS OWN EVIL PURPOSES!
Agreed, we've been on the same page so much lately, spooky. Next thing you know you're going to be sipping white russians with me, Dom Capers, and Mike McVincethy.
Rodgers calls MM a friend, said he's sad to see him go, and that he hopes the appearance of a fractured relationship wasn't the cause his firing. Doesn't sound like a guy who was fed up with MM. Said he's not excited about a rebuild, but doesn't see it as a full rebuild.
Honestly I think if MM had hired an up and coming position coach as his OC instead of a retread like Philbin I don't think we would have encountered these problems. MM surrounded himself with a poor staff it seems.
Grave Digger posted:IMO, all about ticket sales for Murphy. Fans saw the difference firing Hue made, maybe he’s gambling that making a move now will get some butts in the seats the rest of the year. If he sticks with MM then ticket sales suffer, fans will tune out the team completely.
Who cares about tix sales. The Packers have 60K people in line wanting season tix. If this decision was made due to financial considerations, we are in worse shape than any of us can imagine.
MM surrounded himself with a poor staff it seems.
This
Capers
Zook
Slocum
Insert other names here.
Bob Sanders, Winston Moss
Grave Digger posted:Rodgers calls MM a friend, said he's sad to see him go, and that he hopes the appearance of a fractured relationship wasn't the cause his firing. Doesn't sound like a guy who was fed up with MM. Said he's not excited about a rebuild, but doesn't see it as a full rebuild.
Honestly I think if MM had hired an up and coming position coach as his OC instead of a retread like Philbin I don't think we would have encountered these problems. MM surrounded himself with a poor staff it seems.
What else is Rodgers going to say in public? Rodgers has in the past publicly and slyly questioned MM's game plans, said Adams should get his number called far more often, said a few years ago he's bored with the easy throw, "our typical lull," etc., etc. Now that MM is on the street, of course Rodgers is going to be more conciliatory. He's not going to kick a good guy when he's down.
But here's what Philbin/Rodgers should do with MM's playbook:
ChilliJon posted:I think Murphy would have preferred to let Mike finish the season. But the heat on Mike was already on high and would have been full afterburner this week following yesterday. Murphy had no choice but to make the change. There’s no way you can let coaches and players answer questions about coaching changes the next 4 weeks that everyone knows are coming.
Mike gets to hang with the family and start the process of what’s next. He’s got time. Green Bay gets a jump on their HC search. Philbin gets a 4 week audition but it’s inconceivable he’s the choice.
Im no Murphy fan but he made the best decision for all involved yesterday.
I don't like the outcome, but good take.
PackerRuss posted:Timpranillo posted:Finish out the season, and clean house. You can't demand the new guy keeps any coach. Would be great to keep Pettine, but you have to let a head coach make his own decisions on all assistants.
I agree with you, that the HC is going to want his guys, but I think the organization has to make it known that Pettine stays. That's why firing MM was such a clusterF@#$
Disagree 10000%. You can’t expect to bring in a guy to run the show but make him take a guy he didn’t choose.
