Well, at least no more dumbass Cellcom ads to suffer through.
That Chmura post.....Hoooooo boy that’s something. Rodgers carried Mike and his merry band of assistants for years.
If Rodgers is actually the problem and got his coach fired then it stands to reason Brett Hundley should have completed at least 1 TD pass inside Lambeau Field in 5 starts, right?
bandit posted:Henry posted:I'd like to add to the stupidest post in history. Mark Chmura for the duhhhhhh. Idiot.
“Aaron’s not going to come out of this looking good. Aaron might be happy, but Aaron, to me, looks like the prima donna basketball player in the NBA that wants his coach fired. There were rumblings last week — cause I listen to a lot of the national media — that were saying Aaron Rodgers is difficult to coach, whether that’s because he’s smart or whatever the case may be. He might be happy, but I don’t think he comes out of this looking good. He got his coach fired.”
That's what Chris Carter said, that Rodgers will be under 3x the pressure no matter how he plays. or to that affect, it all on Rodgers now.
Ummmm. It’s pretty much all been on Rodgers for a long, long time. Nothing changes. Unless of course the new HC takes a lot of that stress off Rodgers. It’s a novel concept.
I haven't seen it mentioned, but I'm wondering about the impact of the death of his brother on MM. That could've caused him to reevaluate his priorities and maybe he wasn't putting as much into it anymore.
I’ve always said - the best football analysis comes from guys that hang out in hot tubs with underage girls.
Cigar, Cigarettes, Timpranillo.
I hope, that Murphy has given the lion share of this search process to Gutekunst. I hope, that getting to start now only means publicly, and that they already have/had a list. I hope, Riley is high on that list. I hope, they talked to Pettine about the future.
Yup, I hope the decision to let Mike go was made a while back with only the date left open. And I hope that because that decision was made they have a plan and a list and a road map to get there.
By the way, can teams talk with currently employed NFL coaches? Now? For instance, the guy in NE may well be coaching till Feb and who know who will be left by then.
Apparently, Defillipo and Pettine have a working relationship. Lincoln Riley would need a defense in the first place.
Someone on Twitter said the reason Pettine wasn't made interim is likely either because he didn't want the job (and the HC job later) or GB doesn't see him as an option for HC at all.
All of the talk about Riley...he's done some cool stuff at OU, but would he even WANT to come to the NFL? Seems like he has a pretty sweet gig right now.
https://sportsday.dallasnews.c...-season-kyler-murray
Grave Digger posted:Someone on Twitter said the reason Pettine wasn't made interim is likely either because he didn't want the job (and the HC job later) or GB doesn't see him as an option for HC at all.
I would think it's the first. Plus, he's probably not going to have a ton of familiarity with the offense as it stands being he's only been around for half a season.
I know Lincoln Riley is the new big sexy on everyone's lips, but the fact he has zero NFL coaching experience is highly concerning. Dealing with 17-22 year olds is exponentially different than dealing with 21-38 year old professionals.
It takes more than bitchin' new Nikes and travel swag to get guys motivated. I am skeptical of any college HC transitioning to NFL HC, not just The Big Link.
Agreed. I like DeFillipo, McDaniels or a guy like LaFleur as there some proof in the puddin'.
The only thing about McDaniels is it probably will be a challenge for Ginnyflips if he doesn't have full juice.
ChilliJon posted:bandit posted:Henry posted:I'd like to add to the stupidest post in history. Mark Chmura for the duhhhhhh. Idiot.
“Aaron’s not going to come out of this looking good. Aaron might be happy, but Aaron, to me, looks like the prima donna basketball player in the NBA that wants his coach fired. There were rumblings last week — cause I listen to a lot of the national media — that were saying Aaron Rodgers is difficult to coach, whether that’s because he’s smart or whatever the case may be. He might be happy, but I don’t think he comes out of this looking good. He got his coach fired.”
That's what Chris Carter said, that Rodgers will be under 3x the pressure no matter how he plays. or to that affect, it all on Rodgers now.
Ummmm. It’s pretty much all been on Rodgers for a long, long time. Nothing changes. Unless of course the new HC takes a lot of that stress off Rodgers. It’s a novel concept.
Disagree. AR may have been carrying this team for a long time, but until recently he hasn’t taken any heat for this dismal season.
I agree that it was time for MM to go and that he deserves much of the blame for the last several seasons, but he’s gone now...and so is TT...and Compers. If they don’t find a way to start turning things around next season, like it or not AR will be the last man standing, and he’s going to be the one taking the heat. There’s the pressure.
I think he's okay with it. Even for the season he didn't play.
Maynard posted:All of the talk about Riley...he's done some cool stuff at OU, but would he even WANT to come to the NFL? Seems like he has a pretty sweet gig right now.
https://sportsday.dallasnews.c...-season-kyler-murray
I know Riley is a hot name right now but does he even care if his team plays defense? Me personally I want a guy in there that at least understands you need to be solid in all parts of the game not just offense. I would pass on him.
I know this means nothing, but here is a list of former OU head coaches who also were head coach in the NFL.
Bud Wilkinson
Chuck Fairbanks
Barry Switzer
Howard Schnellenberger
I would say that Fairbanks was the only one who had modest success on his own. Switzer's success was all from inheriting Jimmy Johnson's team IMO.
More seriously, from those who follow these things more closely, what is the recent (last 10-20 years) track record of coaches making the leap from college to NFL top job?
Carrol in Seattle is the one success that comes to mind, but he did coach in the NFL before and his USC team was pretty much professional anyways.
According to Charles Robinson, some coaches have expressed interest in joining a Josh McDaniels led Packers staff.
Riley doesn't have the experience to be an NFL head coach. At least not yet. Not only has he been a head coach for just two seasons, he's never been in the NFL. McVay had extensive NFL experience (full time since 2010) and Doug Pederson spent 15 years in the NFL as a QB before spending 7 more in various coaching positions.
Just too many recent examples of amazing minds making the leap from college to NFL and falling flat on their face. This head coaching hire will determine if Rodgers gets another Super Bowl and I think it's too high risk to go with a college guy with no NFL experience.
Impossible! Green Bay is now a pariah for potential coaches.
I think we should hire the coach from St Cecilia HS in NJ as they have an exellent record of former head coaches that were also in the NFL.
bigdoggyjude posted:MM grew stale and refused to change. Systems centric coaches are a dying breed in NFL, for good reason. AR12 will assault DB’s again and soon and we will all be glad for it. It’s this simple and it was overdue for his forced change.
Systems centric coaches are a dying breed yet it's the newest breed of systems coaches that everyone is in a sweat over; McVay, Negy, Reid reinvented, even Riley in OU. MM was winning when he had a roster that could win their 1-on-1's vs a D. He'll probably do the same in CLE once they're done rebuilding. You can't hire a HC based on whatever scheme he brings. Schemes get solved fairly quickly. What has LAR, CHI or KC won yet? A HC needs to be exceptional in a lot more than designing plays, if he even does that instead of his OC. McDaniels seems like a good candidate but only for OC and we know he's not available for that position.
Need a HC that will instill discipline with this team and create a culture, not just a coach with a great scheme. Pettine is shifting the culture on defense, but the offense is just too much finesse and relies too heavily on momentum. Even Rodgers is guilty of being affected by momentum swings, when things aren't going well he's been off this year, and when things are working well he's sharp.
First call: Nick Saban
Second call: Vic Fangio
Third Option: John Harbaugh (if available)
Darkhorse: Kris Richard (Cowboys DB coach)
In any case, hire Kliff Kingsbury to run the offense.
Are people seriously worried about how Rodgers will handle this pressure? Really?
He replaced the most popular player in Packer history immediately after they had been to the NFC Championship game, had to deal with Favre going to play 3 more years, and got beaten by a Favre-led Vikings team. He was under more pressure in his first two years as a starter than almost any QB in NFL history.
If that didn't bother him, criticism from Hot-tub Chmura (who is always looking to elevate his frat buddy, Brett), Cris Carter, or Skip Bayless is unlikely to be a major issue.
One of McCarthy's biggest downfalls is his unwavering stubbornness. His refusal to deal with his failing assistants. His refusal to run the ball.
Again yesterday, the Packers were tied or leading most of the game. 50 passes and Jones runs the ball 11 times.
In the Seattle game, I believe it was, leading for 3 1/2 quarters. FOUR runs in the 2d half. First and goal, throw it 3 times.
He was his own worst enemy. Rodgers kept him employed, and when he's not playing at a MVP level, McCarthy's lack of coaching ability really shows.
Henry posted:Impossible! Green Bay is now a pariah for potential coaches.
Yeah right. 
This team has some really good players. Played competitively against some very good teams (should have beaten a few of them). Except for the Ray Rhodes fiasco, the franchise is known to give coaches a lot of time. The only negative to this job is a somewhat dysfunctional reporting structure (and only one Applebees). I highly doubt many potential candidates would be passing on the job.
Tdog posted:after sitting through that low energy, stale, no juice, fiasco yesterday......
FORWARD! Get on back to glory.
Interesting....they're playing exactly how I've felt since week 2. I wonder why that is?
Couldn't agree more. Back to Glory.....new motto for 2019.
Gute just has to fill the glory holes on the roster to get us where we need to be!
Grave Digger posted:Gute just has to fill the glory holes on the roster to get us where we need to be!
Henry posted:Agreed. I like DeFillipo, McDaniels or a guy like LaFleur as there some proof in the puddin'.
The only thing about McDaniels is it probably will be a challenge for Ginnyflips if he doesn't have full juice.
I like Josh McD as well. One of the things I really like he seems to have no problem going after pretty boy Tom when he gets whiny…
Grave Digger posted:Need a HC that will instill discipline with this team and create a culture, not just a coach with a great scheme. Pettine is shifting the culture on defense, but the offense is just too much finesse and relies too heavily on momentum. Even Rodgers is guilty of being affected by momentum swings, when things aren't going well he's been off this year, and when things are working well he's sharp.
First call: Nick Saban
Second call: Vic Fangio
Third Option: John Harbaugh (if available)
Darkhorse: Kris Richard (Cowboys DB coach)
In any case, hire Kliff Kingsbury to run the offense.
ok so i didn't want to get killed here, but i have a suspicion that the reason the cowboys d is playing lights out is a good draft and kris richard...but he's so raw...
Waiting for Winston Moss quote that it was time for a change in GB.
Richard had a pretty good run as Seattle DC with his defenses ranking 1st, 3rd, and 13th in points. The 13th ranking was in part, IMO, because of injuries to Sherman, Chancellor, Thomas, and Avril. Weeks 1-10, when they at least had the 3 DBs they allowed 18 ppg, weeks 11-17 they had already lost Avril, Sherman and Chancellor and then Thomas in week 15 and they allowed 23 ppg. He's a good coach.
YATittle posted:I haven't seen it mentioned, but I'm wondering about the impact of the death of his brother on MM. That could've caused him to reevaluate his priorities and maybe he wasn't putting as much into it anymore.
Ive been asking the same question for a couple years now.
Chongo posted:
Good piece from King. Most of the (manufactured) outrage from the media and former players about how MM got a raw deal with the early firing strikes me as pretty silly.
antiworst posted:McCarthy's lack of coaching ability really shows.
I really suggest that anyone pining over McCarthy, or wanting to place an inordinate amount of blame Rodgers read through this analysis on how McCarthy and McVay schemed vs the Vikings.
"McVay runs the most diverse offense in the league. He has a great offensive line in terms of individual talent, but he makes their jobs easier by constantly changing the point of attack. Opposing defenders never know where they are supposed to get to when the ball is snapped. They have to figure out where the ball is before they can chase it, allowing the offensive linemen to be proactive and attack their assignments with built-in leverage advantages. It slows down the pass rush and also disrupts the coverage by forcing false steps in the back seven, widening windows for the quarterback to throw into and making it easier for receivers to get open. Rodgers doesn't get any of that.
It's the difference between a stationary offense and a diverse offense."
"McCarthy probably has fewer than 15 route combinations in his playbook. It really is that basic. There is no creativity, effort or thought into the passing game. It's dropback and wait for Rodgers to do something that elevates everyone around him. He's only gotten away with it for so long because of how good Rodgers is. When Rodgers falls off slightly, it can crater the offense because there are no easy yards built into the scheme."
Hundley and Kizer may not be great, but there's a reason they looked as bad as they did...