I may be in the dark,but I don't see where Fackrell has 'turned the corner' or whatever. He's had 2 games with multiple sacks, and that's about it.
He might be good depth, but I don't think he's an answer to our OLB woes.
I keep hearing Saban over and over again.
ChilliJon posted:Fedya posted:Even Helen Keller could see that MM's offense had grown stale.
Hateful.
But funny.
Think about this. Many Packer fans are upset that The Packers drafted Vince Biegel instead of T J Watt. I thought both were about equal at Wisconsin. Biegel had Moss as his coach, T J Watt did not.
Looks like Pettine might get chopped too.
Why would Murphy say anything else? Putting keeping Pettine as a condition of the new head coach just narrows the possible field. After what that guy did this year, he won’t be unemployed long.
Not only is that site irritating AF because of the stoopid ads either popping up or blocking the text, but nowhere does it say that Murphy has indicated whether or not Pettine will be back.
12up owes me three minutes of my life back.
I'm not completely blown away by our defense. Geez, they ain't that good. We're just used to Dom.
Defense is around 13-15th in most categories, given their injuries I'd say it is quite an improvement over last year.
Pettine deserves the respect he earned. I don’t see that changing but at the same point of a new coach wants his own man then I’m sure all those involved understand this. I think there is a good chance he stays. What do we think McDaniels would do if offered job? I think he would keep Pettine.
Timmy! posted:I may be in the dark,but I don't see where Fackrell has 'turned the corner' or whatever. He's had 2 games with multiple sacks, and that's about it.
He might be good depth, but I don't think he's an answer to our OLB woes.
And both those games were against absolutely putrid O-lines.
lovepack posted:I'm not completely blown away by our defense. Geez, they ain't that good. We're just used to Dom.
It's about how the defense is being schemed even with huge gaps in personnel. It's the potential of what this defense will be when restocked. Even with the defense in the state it's in it's still better than The Wizard when he had a better supporting cast. This is all within the first year of Pettine's tenure.
Yeah, that's better. Add in you put any defense on the field more than the offense and they run out of gas.
ammo posted:Looks like Pettine might get chopped too.
Really a thin story without anything of substance to back it up. I agree that Murphy would be a fool to be making any gestures that Pettine somehow needs to be part of any new HC's staff. As for Pettine's accomplishments, he deserves credit for being a stabilizing factor after Dom and making the best out of a bunch of rookies and hold-overs. Still, he's only 1 year in and doesn't have the reputation or record of someone like a Fangio. I think a new HC would find it pretty easy to bring in their own guy as long as you're basically starting over.
His accomplishments from the Ravens and Jets speak for themselves. He's one of the best "young" DCs in the league. With that said, it's simply a matter of what the new coach wants. That's normal. The story is horseshit simply how it's trying to gin something up.
ChilliJon posted:Green Bay needs to fix both lines. Starting with this patchwork bullshit offensive line. Quenton Nelson might be the best player drafted in the top 16 players selected other than Derwin James in 2018 (thanks again Randall and Rollins. ****!!!!!!!) Nelson is a human roadgrader in Indy. He’s improved the entire OL.
McGlinchy is having a solid year at RT out in Frisco, too. Again, thanks Randall and Rollins.
I hope he stays. Bring in a HC/OC who can also show some energy and creativity and it could be the foundation of something really good.
Dave in GA posted:ChilliJon posted:
Philbin is the early leader in the clubhouse for Head Coach.
Oh no...no no no....we can do better...I hope
Philbin was almost invisible under MM. How much of the poor offensive showing this year is due to Philbin as OC? Did MM not use Philbin's plays? Let's see what Philbin does differently than MM would do in these next few games. Then we can get a better idea of where this offense is and if we should keep Philbin as OC or install him as HC or let him go.
I also think we should keep Pettine and give him more to work with in the draft and FA. His defense is a huge improvement over what we had in Compers. You have to remember that we did not draft a pass rusher last draft, which was a consensus position of need for the Packers. OL also was a consensus need that we passed on.
We didn't pass on OL. He passed on us.
You can't expect any different plays from Philbin. Maybe a different sequence or overall strategy but there is no time to install "new" plays at this point in the season. He can't change the cards he's been dealt, he can only play them differently.
ammo posted:Looks like Pettine might get chopped too.
That's f'ed up.
Declining to comment doesn't mean he won't be back. Fukking hack journos...getting as bad as the British.
Bruschi’s rationale for Rodgers potentially not wanting mcdaniels is entertaining.
DH13 posted:We didn't pass on OL. He passed on us.
You can't expect any different plays from Philbin. Maybe a different sequence or overall strategy but there is no time to install "new" plays at this point in the season. He can't change the cards he's been dealt, he can only play them differently.
If some of the news out there is correct, maybe AR won't audible out of the calls by Philbin, like he did with MM.
It'd be foolish to get rid of Pettine, but you've already heard me say that. Here's a take, I'm not sure has been discussed. I understand $$$ is not an issue, when it comes to paying coaches, but if you fire most everyone, there has to be a buyout in their contract. How does that work, if we are paying coaches not to coach (fired), and then try and pay top dollar to get the best coach out there? Is there some budget for coaches?
No, because it's not tied to the cap. Can't force a coach on a new hire. I'm sure the suggestion is there and it's up to the two coaches if they can work together. If they value Pettine more than other HC candidates they should probably make Pettine HC. Doesn't sound like he wants to HC again so it's up to whoever they hire.
I hope they suggest in interviews that the new guy at least takes a look at Pettine.
But retaining him can not be a deal breaker. They just canned the guy who hired Pettine, that says something.
I don't think it reflects poorly on Pettine that "MM hired him", if that is even 100% true.
Nagy/CHI kept Fangio on this year after Fox hired him a couple years ago. That's not typical but it can happen.
No one can tell me McVince hired Pettine. It was a forced hire at best.
FLPACKER posted:Defense is around 13-15th in most categories, given their injuries I'd say it is quite an improvement over last year.
That kind of chicken salad out of chicken shit would have made a world of difference over the last 3/4s of the time Capers was around
The Packers are 3rd in the NFL in team sacks. 3rd! All with Nick Perry and CMIII being utterly useless in this category despite being paid nearly 25 million a year to go get the QB.
They are also at the top at QB sack percentage rate. At one point about 2 weeks ago, they were 1st in the NFL.
That is amazing to me. And Pettine deserves a ton of credit for that.
| RK | TEAM | SOLO | AST | TOTAL | SACK | YDSL | PD | INT | YDS | LONG | TD | FF | REC | TD |
| 1 | Pittsburgh | 560 | 212 | 772 | 41.0 | 280 | 48 | 6 | 62 | 35 | 2 | 12 | 6 | 1 |
| 2 | Kansas City | 588 | 203 | 791 | 39.0 | 265 | 46 | 11 | 159 | 49 | 2 | 18 | 9 | 1 |
| 3 | Green Bay | 566 | 197 | 763 | 38.0 | 274 | 43 | 6 | 78 | 27 | 0 | 8 | 6 | 0 |
Also, no one can tell me Philbin firing Moss was "a tough thing to do".
Whatever happens the rest of this month & January. Pettine has to stay. He just has to. The players respond to him in a way that I haven't seen since 2010.
If we had seen this level of DC in 2014-2017 The Pack probably win another Lombardi
Henry posted:No one can tell me McVince hired Pettine. It was a forced hire at best.
I am telling you that I think M3 was involved in the hiring process and agreed that Pettine was the man for the job. No one can tell me different.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Whatever happens the rest of this month & January. Pettine has to stay. He just has to. The players respond to him in a way that I haven't seen since 2010.
If we had seen this level of DC in 2014-2017 The Pack probably win another Lombardi
1. No one can tell me that the new coach has to keep Pettine even though I would like him to stay on.
2. No one can tell me that I do not agree with you.
packerboi posted:The Packers are 3rd in the NFL in team sacks. 3rd!
I think we can all agree that today, I am every bit a waste of space and band width as I've ever been.
El-Ka-Bong posted:That kind of chicken salad out of chicken shit would have made a world of difference over the last 3/4s of the time Capers was around
We're 16th in points, the average over Capers tenure from 2011-2017 is 18th. Fun fact: GB is currently giving up 23.9 points per game, the average in the same span under Capers? 22.9.
chickenboy posted:Henry posted:No one can tell me McVince hired Pettine. It was a forced hire at best.
I am telling you that I think M3 was involved in the hiring process and agreed that Pettine was the man for the job. No one can tell me different.
The difference is no gives a shit what you think.
This is the equivalent of no one.
Grave Digger posted:Fun fact: GB is currently giving up 23.9 points per game, the average in the same span under Capers? 22.9.
Except the minor detail that scoring is dramatically up in the NFL in the last couple years due to rule changes that heavily tilt advantages to the offense.
So what Dom was giving up in points per game can't be compared to how things in the NFL are operating now.
In short, Capers sucks.
As most any football fan will tell you, watching NFL games in 2018 has been exciting. One reason is that scoring is on a record-setting pace. After 11 weeks, the NFL has been on a record pace for most points scored (7,791), most touchdown (895) and most passing touchdowns (570). On average, there are 48.4 points scored in a game, another record.