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Why Nick Saban Coaching ... the Green Bay Packers Makes Sense

This article assumes Nick Saban covets a SB. I can't imagine it's challenging for him to be at Bama anymore, he's set up a machine that runs so smoothly he just has to oversee operations. Maybe he wants that, who knows.

The big positive, IMO, is the same thing that happened when Pete Carroll took over Seattle, it's a shake up of the NFL norm. Saban likely wouldn't come in with the same ol NFL program, it would likely be a combination of the Belichick style he knew from his previous work in Cleveland (which he implemented in Miami according to former players) and his understanding of the mindset that college players are coming into the NFL with. Coaches, at least college coaches, seem to want to work with him, so I can't imagine he wouldn't attract a quality staff. 

I think Arians is a good coach.  He looked good with Indy when he took over temporarily for Pagano and he looked good with the Cardinals.  Those are 2 franchises that have had plenty of bad times, so to me if you can succeed in those 2 places, you can't be too much of a dumbass. 

Chongo posted:

Seriously...I have no clue why that guy gets so much press as being a great coach. The guy is a clown who inherited a franchise that sucked so long, they had amassed a large talent cache, much like the Whiners under Harbaugh.

I think it was his job kind of resurrecting Carson Palmer's career for a short time after a brutal stint in Oakland. Plus he won a lot in AZ. He's a good coach, I think he's the offensive version of Rex Ryan though, good coach but his personality makes it difficult. When it's good it's really good and when it's bad it's really bad. 

Chongo posted:

Moss is an absolute slap-dick of a coach. 

Slap-dick is such an underrated term. 

My brother used to refer to one of his teachers as a dick-smack when we were kids.  Don't think I've ever head it anywhere else.

I was thinking the same thing about Saban as GD was. He has done it all and would there be a better franchise to win a Super Bowl with than at storied franchise like Green Bay? He just may be willing to not demand total control.

I don't agree with the Arians/Ryan comparison above. That is an insult to Arians.

Brainwashed Boris posted:

I think Moss wanted to get canned. Think of how much money he "earned" - Never understood why he was kept around. 

Lyins gave him the courtesy HC interview but I wonder if he'll get another coaching job in the NFL?

McCarthy will hire him again if he gets another HC gig. He forced all three of the defensive coordinators he hired to keep Moss on the staff as an assistant, he's going to do it again.

DH13 posted:

My brother used to refer to one of his teachers as a dick-smack when we were kids.  Don't think I've ever head it anywhere else.

was used a lot when I was in high school in the early 80s here in NE Wisconsin.
those were the days... 

Timpranillo posted:

ChilliJon posted:

Philbin shitcanned Moss. Joe fully dismissed Winstons Ass!!!!!

This is a very good thing regardless of whatever happens from today on. 

Philbin is the early leader in the clubhouse for Head Coach. 

What?  No. No. No. NoNoNoNoNoNo

Very early leader....?

Anyone that hands Winston Moss his "get the **** out" paperwork has my endorsement. Maybe head coach was a bit extreme. 

Chongo posted:

packerboi posted:

Arians has no interest in GB. Good. 

Bruce Arians said he only wanted to coach in Cleveland. He's sticking to that statement.

"No, not at all," Arians said. "If I ever return to coaching it will only be in Cleveland."

When Gelb noted that Green Bay is one of the more desirable openings to come available, Arians held to his stance.

"Yeah, it is," Arians said. "It's just I have no desire to coach in Green Bay."

Seriously...I have no clue why that guy gets so much press as being a great coach. The guy is a clown who inherited a franchise that sucked so long, they had amassed a large talent cache, much like the Whiners under Harbaugh.

Hey Bruce, Good luck beating out McCarthy for that Cleveland coaching job.

Don't worry Bruce - The Packers have no interest in you either.

Grave Digger posted:

Chongo posted:

Seriously...I have no clue why that guy gets so much press as being a great coach. The guy is a clown who inherited a franchise that sucked so long, they had amassed a large talent cache, much like the Whiners under Harbaugh.

I think it was his job kind of resurrecting Carson Palmer's career for a short time after a brutal stint in Oakland. Plus he won a lot in AZ. He's a good coach, I think he's the offensive version of Rex Ryan though, good coach but his personality makes it difficult. When it's good it's really good and when it's bad it's really bad. 

Harbaugh more impressive...it's a limited set of seasons with a franchise loaded with supporting talent.

Not saying Arians isn't a good coach, but he's not at the level so many seem to think IMO.

Listened to some NFL guys speak about Jim Harbaugh and whether he'd leave Michigan to return to the NFL and the Packers, beyond needing to pay him more then the 7.5 mil a year he's making at Michigan (why would he accept a lateral move or less $), most agreed he'd demand complete roster control. 

Something Murphy is highly unlikely to agree to. It would completely neuter Gutenheimer and I don't know what the hell the point of him being GM would be. 

They also described him a white hot comet when he comes into an organization. Hair on fire and an overload of energy. Then quickly burns out and with it, goes his welcome. 

I really don't see Murphy/Gute going that route either. 

I don't love Arians, I think he's a good coach, not a can't miss coach. I think his winning % and his work with Palmer are the reason the media talks about him. I think he bought a lot of goodwill coaching that season in Indy when the HC had cancer. 

I don't want Harbaugh. Vic Fangio propped up that team, just like he's propping up Chicago. 

ChilliJon posted:

R MaN posted:

That tweet sealed his fate. 

No. His performance sealed his fate. His tweet validated his unhappiness on being passed over on another free pass. 

His tweet got him a 4 week paid vacation. He was gone at the end of the year, just like Zook and a few others will be. MM has been protecting this guy for years. I wouldn't be surprised to see some compromising photos show up at some point on Instagram. 

Speaking of Zook, better keep your social media on lockdown if you want to keep your job for another 4 weeks. 

Is there a not miss coach?

Vince Lombardi

I’ll always love the story from John Madden (another historically great coach) about taking a bus ride to the middle of nowhere as a young hopeful coach to listen to Vince talk about football and Vince spent hours talking about one play. The Packer Sweep. Hours on the details of one play. 

And Madden walked out thinking, “I don’t know the first damned thing about coaching”. 

Grave Digger posted:

Moss got canned because Kenny Clark has as many sacks as every OLB not named Fackrell, combined. Other than the FackAttack, his position group has been awful. They don't set edges and keep containment against the run and they don't win 1on1's despite having the highest combined salary of any position group on the defense. He's done the least with the most of any coach on the team. So he was likely under the microscope anyway, being an asshole was probably the last straw. Whatever he was venting in public, I imagine he was saying more to his fellow coaches and players. Can't having a cancer in the locker room sewing discontent, even with the season basically being done. Since his buddy Alonzo Highsmith did not seemingly leave on good terms, I imagine he came into this season not thrilled to work for the Packers. 

I understand why Moss got cut, but in TC this year and last, many didn't even think Fack Attack would make the team.  He's progressed, I'm not sure if that is from Pettine or Moss.  Whoever, it's hard to not say that Fackrell has been playing alot better than the past couple of years.  

phaedrus posted:

pkr_north posted:

I thought the DL was doing ok...not so much, its one injury away (76) from being bad.  I didn't believe it until 76 was out last week, the DL can't do it with 97 only.  We def need to beef up on DL.  I look at what redskins did there, in the draft, they are way imprvoved up front.  i agree that DL (strength this draft), then CB - cuz 20 can't stay healthy - then LB/OLB pass rusher...but they are all needs.  OL is next, really weak.

This is what makes me "just an armchair talent guy."

So you've got:
1. DL
2. CB
3. LB/OLB
4. OL

Three positions prioritized higher than OL and I have OL #1.  Meanwhile, others would go with S or WR.  Some with TE.

This is just not a very talented team.

What are you talking about?  We have the best QB to ever play, so we should be in the SuperBowl every year, and win it every other year.  

Personally I think it's a confidence issue with Fackrell. I don't know what's been asked of him in the past vs. what they're asking him to do now, but it seems as though he's focused on doing 1 thing well instead of trying to do lots of things. He's just winning 1on1's, I think it's more on Fackrell than it is coaching. I think the emergence of Kenny Clark has been a huge boost for just getting him those 1on1 opportunities. The other OLBs seemed to have regressed, so I'm inclined to believe Moss is not the catalyst for change with Fack. 

phaedrus posted:

This is what makes me "just an armchair talent guy."

So you've got:
1. DL
2. CB
3. LB/OLB
4. OL

Three positions prioritized higher than OL and I have OL #1.  Meanwhile, others would go with S or WR.  Some with TE.

This is just not a very talented team.

I don’t think this is true. I think there are holes, of course. But you have a HOF QB, too 10 WR, talented RBs, an All Pro DL in Clark, solid starter in Daniels, and young talent in the backfield that is emerging. This cupboard is not bare. 

But like someone else mentioned- one guy on the OL makes the whole unit better, like it has in Indy. One pass rusher makes them all better, like in Chicago. That’s why I was so hopeful to get Mack- he’d have done for the Packers what he’s done for the Bears.

One or 2 impact guys and they’re on. This is not a rebuild. 

I would have given up more for Quenton Nelson than Mack. Nelson is a generational OL talent that doesn’t happen often. He’s not only good he’s an actionable voice to the entire OL. Best alpha OL guys are always C or G  

There are some good O lineman in this upcoming draft. But nothing like Nelson. You can pretty much pencil Q into All Pro for the next 10 years. 

Music City posted:

phaedrus posted:

This is what makes me "just an armchair talent guy."

So you've got:
1. DL
2. CB
3. LB/OLB
4. OL

Three positions prioritized higher than OL and I have OL #1.  Meanwhile, others would go with S or WR.  Some with TE.

This is just not a very talented team.

I don’t think this is true. I think there are holes, of course. But you have a HOF QB, too 10 WR, talented RBs, an All Pro DL in Clark, solid starter in Daniels, and young talent in the backfield that is emerging. This cupboard is not bare. 

But like someone else mentioned- one guy on the OL makes the whole unit better, like it has in Indy. One pass rusher makes them all better, like in Chicago. That’s why I was so hopeful to get Mack- he’d have done for the Packers what he’s done for the Bears.

One or 2 impact guys and they’re on. This is not a rebuild. 

Teams that have good talent are not 4  6 and 1.

Teams that are 4  6 and 1 need better everything.

This was not all MM's doing.

Getting better everything has started.

They can be 4-7-1 if the team has quit their on it’s coach... that’s happened before. 

Don’t just look at the coach. Look at his coaching staff. 

Anyone on this staff being considered elsewhere? 

Hasnt it been this way for years? 

Pettine might be the only guy on the staff sleeping well at night. He’s going to be fine. He worked his ass off. 

Grave Digger posted:

Personally I think it's a confidence issue with Fackrell. I don't know what's been asked of him in the past vs. what they're asking him to do now, but it seems as though he's focused on doing 1 thing well instead of trying to do lots of things. He's just winning 1on1's, I think it's more on Fackrell than it is coaching. I think the emergence of Kenny Clark has been a huge boost for just getting him those 1on1 opportunities. The other OLBs seemed to have regressed, so I'm inclined to believe Moss is not the catalyst for change with Fack. 

No, definitely not Moss. It's Pettine and the new scheme. Maybe some pharmaceuticals, too.   

The idea of Mike Shanahan in GB infuriates me. Why on earth would there be speculation he's linked to this job? I'd rather keep Philbin. If Murphy is considering talking to Mike Shanahan then he's a bigger twat than I already assumed he was. 

49ers’ HC Kyle Shanahan on the speculation linking his father, Mike, to the Green Bay Packers’ HC job: “I know he’s retired. So, they’d have to convince him very hard to come out of retirement.”

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 5, 2018

Packers' search for their next head coach should start with Northwestern's Pat Fitzgerald

Can't say I have an opinion on Fitzgerald one way or the other. Not sure we would be talking about him as a candidate if NW hadn't just made the B1G championship. Can't recall his name coming up in connection to NFL gigs hardly ever. 

Sure, I know the word on the street. Fitzgerald will never leave his alma mater. He is a Wildcat til he dies. He lives and breathes the program. He is a total family man, who loves being in his native Illinois, who will never leave the Chicago area. And, of course, I have heard, repeatedly, that the only job he would ever consider in the NFL is the Bears job, at the appropriate time. Whenever that might be.

...

I know that from 1978-2005 Northwestern won 96 games, and I know that, if they beat Utah in San Diego at the end of this month, they will have equaled that total in just 13 seasons under Fitzgerald. Trust me, in a year very short on hot candidates and can't-miss guys in the coaching world, he is as close to one as possible to just that from the college sphere.

"Total stud," as one long-time NFL scout put it. "I would hire him in a minute. But he's never leaving Northwestern."

"Everything about him would play in the NFL," said another NFL decision maker. "But I don't think that's what he wants. He's not going anywhere"

"He would be at the top of my list," said one NFL personnel man with a team considering a coaching change. "But I don't think we'd have much of a chance to get him. It's a lot like David Shaw at Stanford. Are they ever going to really leave?"

Murphy is going to **** this up unless Gutensavior stops him. 

PackerRuss posted:

Grave Digger posted:

Moss got canned because Kenny Clark has as many sacks as every OLB not named Fackrell, combined. Other than the FackAttack, his position group has been awful. They don't set edges and keep containment against the run and they don't win 1on1's despite having the highest combined salary of any position group on the defense. He's done the least with the most of any coach on the team. So he was likely under the microscope anyway, being an asshole was probably the last straw. Whatever he was venting in public, I imagine he was saying more to his fellow coaches and players. Can't having a cancer in the locker room sewing discontent, even with the season basically being done. Since his buddy Alonzo Highsmith did not seemingly leave on good terms, I imagine he came into this season not thrilled to work for the Packers. 

I understand why Moss got cut, but in TC this year and last, many didn't even think Fack Attack would make the team.  He's progressed, I'm not sure if that is from Pettine or Moss.  Whoever, it's hard to not say that Fackrell has been playing alot better than the past couple of years.  

That's a really low bar.  Moss is a stiff, always has been.

Perry tripped over Moss’ bar and has been moved to IR. 

Fitzgerald is a more meathead, less intelligent,less innovative, and massively less successful Jim Harbaugh. Try hard rah rah guys that will wear out there welcome quickly.

Those quotes sound like plants from an agent looking to get his client a new deal based on winning a horseshit Big Ten West. Wouldn’t trust anyone that thinks Fitzgerald is a total stud. 

Saw another column out there that recommended Jim Caldwell as a perfect fit for the job. Lots of ridiculous things making it to print.

Please no.

When asked about the possibility of coaching Aaron Rodgers Caldwell made no facial expression or blinked. 

Caldwell sleeps with his eyes open 

No no.  He just painted eyeballs on his eyelids.  He's actually asleep.  He is always asleep.

I’d take Brett Hundley as OC with Hornibrook throwing back shoulders to Hellen Keller before Fitzgerald. 

Even Helen Keller could see that MM's offense had grown stale.

ChilliJon posted:

When asked about the possibility of coaching Aaron Rodgers Caldwell made no facial expression or blinked. 

Caldwell sleeps with his eyes open 

Dark Shadows.

Fedya posted:

Even Helen Keller could see that MM's offense had grown stale.

Hateful.