I'd be surprised if he is thinking about the INT record. I do believe he knows that INTs greatly reduce this teams chances for success. Problem is the sacks have been almost as debilitating as a turnover. So many on 3rd down.
Rodgers used to be money on the blitz, killing teams for trying it. That was with a different receiving corp though. Another year of chemistry might make a huge difference.
Hungry5 posted:I'd be surprised if he is thinking about the INT record. I do believe he knows that INTs greatly reduce this teams chances for success. Problem is the sacks have been almost as debilitating as a turnover. So many on 3rd down.
I guess it would not surprise me if he was thinking about it. INTs greatly reduce any team's chances of success; that's a given. But he's so hesitant to throw short and he's so off sometimes when he does that I think there's more to it than just young receivers. And anyways, how else do you make those young guys better? You talk to them on the sidelines, show and lead them, study film with them if necessary, and ultimately you throw to them. You can't pout just because you don't have your security blankets of Jordy and Cobb.
Hard to believe anything Adams is doing right now is “sloppy”.
.@tae15adams became the first #Packers receiver since Sterling Sharpe (1992-94) to record three consecutive seasons with at least 70 receptions & 10 touchdowns.https://t.co/ttwHqMoYjb
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) November 26, 2018
Sideline awareness may be a better term. His footwork off the line is a combination of Gregory Hines and the Flash. But I have seen him worked OOB from time to time.
McGinn has a scathing article on Rodgers. He wrote how he is constantly looking for the big play when just going thru his progressions would be enough to move the chains and keep the defense off the field. Basically, the same thing written here many times. He also hammered Jason Wilde as Rodgers confidante who never sees anythign he does as wrong. After that article it is safe to say Bob wont be getting a one on one with Rodgers anytime soon.
As much as I love Rodgers , the article is spot on. Whoever is head coach next year better be someone that can get him back on board with his mechanics in a similar way McCarthy did with Favre.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Rodgers used to be money on the blitz, killing teams for trying it. That was with a different receiving corp though. Another year of chemistry might make a huge difference.
I do think this has been an issue. There have been times when the young receivers are just not where they're supposed to be. I don't know how much offseason time Rodgers actually got to spend with this trio of rookie WRs to develop that chemistry.
Everything isn't Rodgers fault, he averages about 14 incomplete passes per game. Just speculating, but I think 1/3 of those are probably receiver mistakes, 1/3 are throwaways, and 1/3 are just bad throws. That's 4 or 5 bad throws a game, which is not a bad average honestly, I think it's just the opportunities that have been missed with those throws...3rd down, red zone, etc. Context is important. Aaron Rodgers is still a top QB in the NFL and it's important to remember that this "slump" (if you even want to call it that) is still just as good or better than every QB in the division.
Grave Digger posted:...is still just as good or better than every QB in the division.
Wow, are we really at the point where we view this as a positive and not an emphatic given?
Enough of this chemistry/trust BS. We see other teams plug in guys, play rookies at both QB and receiver and get results. Last night Watson thru 2 TD's to Thomas who just arrived.
Ill give you September even a week or so in October these guys are the cream of the crop, run the plays, throw the ball, it's not that hard. He may throw a INT or 2 and that's OK and to be expected. You know what's not expected, only 1 INT thru November.
I know most won't agree but I'm a hard grader.
Excuse this, excuse that....play ball. Is this a football team or a soap opera.
My point was just that if a receiver is supposed adjust his route and run an out route 3 yards deep and cut in and he runs it 5 yards deep, the ball is going to go where he's supposed to be. That's not the QBs fault. Apples and oranges with Thomas, he's a veteran who will execute exactly as he's supposed to. You would hope all players would execute like that, but rookies often don't and that's not unique to GB. We wouldn't see that kind of error with Adams, Cobb, GMo, or Graham.
I’m not saying it’s not an issue, I’m saying it’s used as an excuse.
It’s an issue, overcome it.
I think the best summary is this team is ****ed. Soup to nuts ****ed.
Well, except Angry Bald Man.
I wonder sometimes if Rodgers is so anal on some things that if the WR runs a 5 yard out and it is supposed to be a 3 yard out that Rodgers throws it to where he supposed to be instead of where he is to prove a point.
chickenboy posted:Grave Digger posted:...is still just as good or better than every QB in the division.Wow, are we really at the point where we view this as a positive and not an emphatic given?
I'm not sure why you cut off the beginning of the sentence? I said Rodgers in a slump is still better than any of the QBs in the division, not just that he's better than any QB in the division.
Floridarob posted:I wonder sometimes if Rodgers is so anal on some things that if the WR runs a 5 yard out and it is supposed to be a 3 yard out that Rodgers throws it to where he supposed to be instead of where he is to prove a point.
I don't think so, they're timing throws. He's not choosing to throw it short, it's where the play is designed to go. That's not an excuse, it's just a fact. We saw 3 or 4 times against MIN, I think it's just something that happens. The WR AND QB aren't going to be perfect every play, there's a reason above 60% completions is considered successful, at most 40% of the throws in a game aren't going to connect for whatever reason.
Pikes Peak posted:I’m not saying it’s not an issue, I’m saying it’s used as an excuse.
It’s an issue, overcome it.
You sound like some of the people I used to work with.
Me - "The test takes 48 hours (otherwise it's not a valid test) so you'll have the results in a bit over 2 days."
Them - "Can't you do it quicker?"
If they're looking at college I would make Nick Saban say no.
Hungry5 posted:Grave Digger posted:Everything isn't Rodgers fault, he averages about 14 incomplete passes per game. Just speculating, but I think 1/3 of those are probably receiver mistakes, 1/3 are throwaways, and 1/3 are just bad throws.
Something has to change.
That’s my point—AR would rather throw it away than even come close to risking an INT. Brees will let it go.
What is their sack comparison. AR has been under pressure all year.
DH13 posted:What is their sack comparison. AR has been under pressure all year.
Aaron thrives under pressure.
DH13 posted:What is their sack comparison. AR has been under pressure all year.
Isn't that for Danica and Mrs. Brees to compare?
Kliff Kingsbury's phone ringing off the hook from NFL
Hire Vic Fangio as HC, keep Pettine as DC, and hire Kingsbury as OC. Aaron Rodgers in the Air Raid...
I'm not understanding the love for Vic Fangio. I understand he's a great defensive coordinator, but we have one in MP. I really think GB needs a Head Coach with an offensive skill set.
Since 2011 he's only had 2 defenses that WEREN'T in the top 10 in points allowed and those two years were his rebuilding years in Chicago. The guy knows how to coach a defense. Let Aaron and a quality OC sort out the offense.
Grave Digger posted:If they're looking at college I would make Nick Saban say no.
I said Saban last year. But I imagine that he will want total control and I would never go that route.
James Jones says MM should stay, says Adams tells him offensive players just aren't making plays. I know many here are convinced MM is gone or are hopeful, but I think everyone should prepare for the possibility that Gute and Murphy agree with Jones assessment here and MM gets another year to sort it out.
"The grass is not always greener on the other side." -@nflnetwork analyst @89JonesNTAF laid out why the #Packers should not make a coaching change: pic.twitter.com/zDnxYYz0SG
— Rich Eisen Show (@RichEisenShow) November 27, 2018
I love James Jones.
But if Mike McCarthy diehards are pinning their hopes on Mac's return in 2018 on what James Jones says about his former head coach/source for information as a NFL Network guy, I think they might want to reconsider getting their hopes up too high.
For every James Jones there is a Mark Tauscher, Tom Crabtree, or Mark Chmura saying that if the Pack does not make the playoffs Mac is gone, because Gute does not want to waste another year trying to sort out the dysfunction.
I'm not a McCarthy "diehard", I'm not sure anyone here is. I'm not "pinning my hopes" on James Jones word, I just think Gute and Murphy will come to the same conclusion he did. It seems like a foregone conclusion around here that MM will be fired, I don't think it's a guarantee. I think they tacked that extra year on his contract for a reason, he's likely going to get 2019 to right the ship. I'm not for or against firing McCarthy. He's not irreplaceable, but I don't think he or his offense is this archaic dinosaur scheme that it's been portrayed to be. A lot of things have gone wrong this year, bad breaks and bad bounces and the entire team, coaching staff included, has underperformed...except Kenny Clark, I feel like like he's been outstanding. It's not as simple as changing the HC for things to improve right away.
JJ reminds me a bit of the members of the media who preached why the team needed to stick with Dom Capers. It's a bottom line business and the bottom line is that if MM had the answer to fixing the dysfunctional offense he would have done it by now. Time for a new voice and I'd put the odds of the team sticking with him at less than 10%.
Will Zook return with MM? That is the problem, MM has bad assistants and keeps 'em around.
The issue with James Jones is he hasn't been around this locker room in a few years. And yes, much can change in a short period of time.
Damarious Randall being shipped to the locker after having a hissy fit at halftime last year. Then booted out of here in a trade.
Ha Ha Clinton Dix becoming more and more vocal about issues, showing less and less effort and underwhelming play to a point where he's traded mid season.
Ty Montgomery going rogue when the game was on the line then also traded out of here
We're understandably focused on AR and the relationship issue with MM and him.
But there are also other cracks going on past the AR marriage. It's entirely possible MM has lost guys beyond number 12 and that chemistry is seeping much further then JJ or others realize
He indicated that Adams has spoken to him recently, at least that's what I got out of it
packerboi posted:The issue with James Jones is he hasn't been around this locker room in a few years. And yes, much can change in a short period of time.
Damarious Randall being shipped to the locker after having a hissy fit at halftime last year. Then booted out of here in a trade.
Ha Ha Clinton Dix becoming more and more vocal about issues, showing less and less effort and underwhelming play to a point where he's traded mid season.
Ty Montgomery going rogue when the game was on the line then also traded out of here
We're understandably focused on AR and the relationship issue with MM and him.
But there are also other cracks going on past the AR marriage. It's entirely possible MM has lost guys beyond number 12 and that chemistry is seeping much further then JJ or others realize
This.
If MM is kept, Rodgers will explode. It would take a new OC that Rodgers respects and he can get excited about the scheme. If MM stayed it's either a new OC or a massive overhaul of the offensive playbook to appease Rodgers and the critics right now and to play to this team's strengths (youth at WR and RB). They would also have to figure how to work around an OL that will be another year older and more banged up. MM would probably have to step totally out of playcalling and go more to total management. Anyone see him doing that sometime soon?
The other thing that would have to happen is that Zook has to go, along with any other dead wood in the assistant offices. Moss, probably, and others. Do you see MM willfully cutting his staff?