Henry posted:Yep, good point. We got the boobie prize instead.
Probably with a lot of input from the NFL office.
I am still trying to make sense of the silos and FO structure. I think that it all looks like chaos to me. Murphy sure does not mind all the attention he gets.
I think there is a lot of over reacting going on with Murphy's recent 15 minutes.
Grave Digger posted:What has he really fukked up though? Hes been hands off this entire time and TT/MM ran the program into the ground. There was no accountability from the top, but now we’re worried that there will be accountability? I don’t think he will interfere, I think it will be Gute and MFer’s team to sink or swim.
I’m no fan of the guy, I don’t think he’s proven anything at this point. He didn’t hire TT or MM and he wasn’t key to the SB win, he’s just been in the background with the business side. This was his moment to prove himself, this is officially his team. We’ll see, I don’t think he’s this boogie man that’s going to drive the team back into the 80’s. This set up is so common and it works elsewhere.
Just more evidence that he is the wrong person for the job. That he failed under the Harlan approach. That he has chosen to go with an approach with a high failure rate doesn’t fill me with more hope. He has become our Jerry Jones. Nothing positive about that.
Nobody can fire Jerry Jones. A board if directors can fire Murphy. This is a much better set up than the cowboys
There’s a lot of overreacting going on with all that’s happening.
Floridarob posted:If Murphy cleaned house afer the Seattle debacle we would have been screaming that he overreacted.
Except that he absolutely should have cleaned house after that shitshow. And the news coming out drip by drip about how dysfunctional things were confirms it more and more everyday.
Packer fans fear change more than the Republican Party does.
Murphy is a choad. Prove yourself not to be a ****ing moron and you'll get the benefit of the doubt. It's that simple.
Like I got a ****ing chance then
heyward posted:What has Gutekunst done that's good? Other than a strong day 1 of the draft, he swung and missed an awful lot in his first year on the job.
Astonishing lack of priority on offensive line with his draft. I'd love to hear an explanation from him.
Floridarob posted:I agree GD. I hope in two years we are talking about putting Murphys name in the Packers HOF. I have my doubts tho. If things go to hell, the board may be slow to move him out because he has really done a great job on the business side of the isle and made the team a lot of money. Of course, they could choose to take away the football operations side of his job description and he could pout for a year like Sherman did.
He waited too long to blow it up and when he did, he waited a year too long to include MM in the blow up.
We lost about 4 years. Even though the Packers made the NFCC, the chronic poor defensive play just too compelling.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Like I got a ****ing chance then
Affirmative action for morons.
Rusty posted:Packer fans fear change more than the Republican Party does.
Agreed Boris. I took the bait. Shame on me. Original Comments edited out.
Christ Almighty. Football, people... not politics. Please!
Matt LeFleur is the new MLF!
Goalline posted:Grave Digger posted:What has he really fukked up though? Hes been hands off this entire time and TT/MM ran the program into the ground. There was no accountability from the top, but now we’re worried that there will be accountability? I don’t think he will interfere, I think it will be Gute and MFer’s team to sink or swim.
I’m no fan of the guy, I don’t think he’s proven anything at this point. He didn’t hire TT or MM and he wasn’t key to the SB win, he’s just been in the background with the business side. This was his moment to prove himself, this is officially his team. We’ll see, I don’t think he’s this boogie man that’s going to drive the team back into the 80’s. This set up is so common and it works elsewhere.
Just more evidence that he is the wrong person for the job. That he failed under the Harlan approach. That he has chosen to go with an approach with a high failure rate doesn’t fill me with more hope. He has become our Jerry Jones. Nothing positive about that.
Where are you getting that this set up as a high failure rate? Seattle, Pittsburgh, and NE have had this exact set up for years and there’s been no issue with owner meddling, accountability, or talent acquisition. Entrusting EVERYTHING to a single person (the GM) doesn’t make sense anymore with how quickly everything changes and how much you have to win EVERY area of an NFL front office to keep up. Our single GM couldn’t keep up, well now we have someone whose only job is to oversee the salary cap, contracts, and operations. A single person to oversee talent acquisition. A single person to oversee coaching and player development. There are GMs that can handle overseeing all of it, but those aren’t easy to find and having a crap GM that fukks everything up can set a team back as quickly as having a crap HC.
Murphy does take a lot if heat. But other than former panther owner Jerry Richardson, what other owner/defacto owner has played the game, been a part of the players union, worked for the union, and then acted as an owner. He has his people he wants in place for the 1st time. The past set up with one guy on charge ran its course and the past few years left a lot to be desired. Give Murphy a chance to fail first.
Although not a fan of the current admin structure, I give Murphy credit for making the change and attempting to get things back on course. His biggest mistake was thinking he could trust all football operations issues to TT and never doubt a thing. All of his focus was on the corporate projects. So I guess he's a fail from that standpoint. But, I'm sure he never dreamed that TT could "lose it" so quickly. It happens and it's unfortunate as it's set this franchise back. Labeling Murphy evil incarnate is ridiculous but the spotlight is on him now and we'll see if he knows what he's doing soon enough. Until then, I'm excited to watch this thing get rebuilt. R-E-L-A-X...enjoy the ride.
Become a legit contender again then we'll talk. Murphy, Mayo LaFrog, GinnySpindles . . .
Proof is in the 
Ok, this is great. Mark Murphy's mother complains about the pass rush and takes Internet rumors as gospel. A true Packers fan... pic.twitter.com/MEB4tms4w9
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) January 13, 2019
After denying requests during HC search, the #Dolphins now are permitting respected STC Darren Rizzi — a candidate for head job before Miami settled on Brian Flores — to speak to other teams, per source. They’d like to retain him. #Vikings, #Packers among teams that have called.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) January 13, 2019
Wonder how the Monkey Boy and Dorell interviews went. Would be good gets I think.
Hopefully dipstick Murphy didn't alienate a guy like Monken with his totally unprofessional comments during the MLF Press Conference.
Floridarob posted:Nobody can fire Jerry Jones. A board if directors can fire Murphy. This is a much better set up than the cowboys
It’s our saving grace.
Music City posted:There’s a lot of overreacting going on with all that’s happening.
Everyone else but me 
Rusty posted:Ok, this is great. Mark Murphy's mother complains about the pass rush and takes Internet rumors as gospel. A true Packers fan... pic.twitter.com/MEB4tms4w9
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) January 13, 2019
Is Nagler trying to stay relevant? At least he has one follower.
Henry posted:Rusty posted:Ok, this is great. Mark Murphy's mother complains about the pass rush and takes Internet rumors as gospel. A true Packers fan... pic.twitter.com/MEB4tms4w9
— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) January 13, 2019Is Nagler trying to stay relevant? At least he has one follower.
There is a pretty good one about half way down. ( Even his mother knows That he Must improve the Pass Rush, but he continues to pay top moneyfor Nick Perry
C'mon Mike listen to your mom. )
mothers always right
Hopefully we dont hear from Murphy anymore until he announces his retirement or he creates a packer legends theme park around lambeau.
Campen is gone to Cleveland. MLF will hire a new OL coach.
James Campen will become the Cleveland Browns associate head coach/offensive line coach, according to league sources. So the Packers are losing their longest-tenured assistant coach. New Packers coach Matt LaFleur will hire a new line coach.
I'm guessing the associate HC title sealed the deal. Later Cogbot.
Henry posted:I'm guessing the associate HC title sealed the deal. Later Cogbot.
So he's Cleveland's Winston Moss. Good luck trying to throw Baker Mayfield under the bus.
Maybe blasko can take over. 2 years under Campen hopefully taught him something
No, the rest of that offensive staff can go too.
I'm reading Todd Monken is also going to CLE as OC.
Monken is headed to Cleveland. Lots of faith being tethered to Baker Mayfield. Not sure that’s a wise decision.
LaFleur wants to keep a zone blocking scheme in GB, but it's been reported he also wanted to tweak the scheme and make some changes to how GB did things under MM and Campen.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Well, when Charles Woodson says something, I listen. He knows a bunch of shit inside at 1265. CW wanted Dom gone & so MM unceremoniously let Woodson go even when he still had some game left in the tank. Dom's message was obviously growing stale with younger guys but Woodson still took the high road after they let him go.
Hey MM, Thanks for the Super Bowl but after that you can GFY! You "highly successful football coach" - go back to taking toll money.
I'm getting more pissed by the day as this bullshit comes out. Complete effing waste.
Don't want to say that I told you so, but I told you so.