NFL Network and others report Matt LaFleur new Packers Head Coach

Well, when Charles Woodson says something, I listen. He knows a bunch of shit inside at 1265. CW wanted Dom gone & so MM unceremoniously let Woodson go even when he still had some game left in the tank. Dom's message was obviously growing stale with younger guys but Woodson still took the high road after they let him go.

Hey MM, Thanks for the Super Bowl but after that you can GFY! You "highly successful football coach" - go back to taking toll money. 

I'm getting more pissed by the day as this bullshit comes out. Complete effing waste.

Pakrz posted:

Henry posted:

Jesus ****ing Christ.  Moss is such a titanic POS.  Good job McVince you ****ing putz.  Good riddance.

Seriously, the more we find out the more that ****ing guy should've been fired years ago.  Jesus ****, what a god damn waste of a generational talent.  

I’ve been calling for Mr. Fat-n-Happy to be fired for years. He ain’t worth a ****. 

Originally, I just thought McVince burned out on ideas.  Not an uncommon thing, we've seen it before.  But the more shit we find out about how he "administered" his coaching staff the more it becomes apparent he was the ****ing cancer on this team.  It becomes a bit shocking when you really start to see how completely overrated he was, that McVince, greatest of coaches the like of Lombardi and Belichek.  Jesus ****.

Okay, I'm down with Monken even more. 

APC’s Paul Noonan expanded on Monken’s offensive philosophy recently. It seems logical that his approach and focus on explosive plays would mesh well with LaFleur, who also values picking up chunks of yardage at once. In addition, Monken would likely bring some Air Coryell and Air Raid influences to the table, which could further diversify the Shanahan-style West Coast system that LaFleur will implement

Henry posted:

Pakrz posted:

Henry posted:

Jesus ****ing Christ.  Moss is such a titanic POS.  Good job McVince you ****ing putz.  Good riddance.

Seriously, the more we find out the more that ****ing guy should've been fired years ago.  Jesus ****, what a god damn waste of a generational talent.  

I’ve been calling for Mr. Fat-n-Happy to be fired for years. He ain’t worth a ****. 

Originally, I just thought McVince burned out on ideas.  Not an uncommon thing, we've seen it before.  But the more shit we find out about how he "administered" his coaching staff the more it becomes apparent he was the ****ing cancer on this team.  It becomes a bit shocking when you really start to see how completely overrated he was, that McVince, greatest of coaches the like of Lombardi and Belichek.  Jesus ****.

With these tidbits coming to light one needs to ask a couple of questions, was anyone in GB watching games the last few years?  And is anyone in GB even awake?

Murphy sure the hell wasn't.  

I know the new coaching staff offers optimism but to me the looming failure of Murphy is ever present.

It is a very human trait to get complacent.

That's more than complacency.  That's incompetence.

Aaron Rodgers covered up WAAAAYYYYY more than I ever envisioned. 

Incompetence....to the N'th degree

Ted Thompson = Super Bowl winning GM.  Put together that championship team.

Aaron Rodgers = Super Bowl winning QB.  Enough said.

McVince and The Wizard = Apparently along for the ride.

PackerPatrick posted:

I understand the numbers were not great but I thought Witt was one of GBs better coaches. He looked like a coach that did not let things slide. I don’t see him as one of the staff that would allow complacency. So, I thought he would be retained. If this decision was indeed a FO decision I think it may have been a bit too hasty.

MM was with the Packers for 14 years. His offense became stale and deserved to be fired.   He was only great because of Rodgers. 

Joe Whitt was with the Packers for 11 years.  He coached Tramon, Sheilds, and Woodson so he was a great coach.  The Packers secondary regress dramtically over the past 3 seasons, but began to turn around this season.   Whitt is a good coach and should be retained. 

 MM should have fired Whitt when the seconday went to hell in 2016. 

It's almost unheard of for a position coach to be with the same team for over a decade. I'm fine with ML bringing in his own coaches as long as he knows what he's doing. Does he? We'll find out soon enough.

ammo posted:

PackerPatrick posted:

I understand the numbers were not great but I thought Witt was one of GBs better coaches. He looked like a coach that did not let things slide. I don’t see him as one of the staff that would allow complacency. So, I thought he would be retained. If this decision was indeed a FO decision I think it may have been a bit too hasty.

MM was with the Packers for 14 years. His offense became stale and deserved to be fired.   He was only great because of Rodgers. 

Joe Whitt was with the Packers for 11 years.  He coached Tramon, Sheilds, and Woodson so he was a great coach.  The Packers secondary regress dramtically over the past 3 seasons, but began to turn around this season.   Whitt is a good coach and should be retained. 

Joe Whitt wasn't HC running the entire team nor did he call defenses.  All he did was take UDFAs like Williams and Shields into top tier players and worked with guys like Heyward and Hyde, who were either out of position or incorrectly released to go on and have excellent careers.

 

 MM should have fired Whitt when the seconday went to hell in 2016. 

 Whitt is gone.  I've have no issue with a new coach picking his own guys but hearing it might have been a FO decision sure makes one scratch their head.  If he was facilitating the same poison as McVince, then yeah, shit can him.  I just don't see it considering he and Pettine worked well together.

Totally agree. This is only a problem if the decision came from upstairs, and by upstairs I mean Murphy. I can't imagine Gutekunst forcing a coach to fire an assistant.

FLPACKER posted:

Not being in meetings and on the field for practices, it is really difficult to know which position coaches are good teachers, which is really what they have to be. Even the best teachers have some students who fail, hard to tell if it is the teacher or the pupil. 

I 100% and whole heartedly vouch for joe Whitt jr for any team out there needing to fill their staff.. Great teacher, and coach, that players can trust.. hard to find that combo💯 @NFL @ESPNNFL @espn @AdamSchefter https://t.co/dZO8Vnvou8

— Charles Woodson (@CharlesWoodson) January 12, 2019

All you need to know about Moss was the fact days after he was fired he goes on TV and tries to throw 12 under the bus. Granted it wasn’t as damning as it could have been, but when was the last time a position coach got a sit down on national TV to give his 2 cents? He threw the minimum amount of shade toward 12 and the Packers to keep people from thinking he was just an embittered nutter.

I have my issues with McVince, however, the guy was always professional. He got heated from time to time with media, but he was always under control. Moss was a cancer...that MM never saw that or chose to ignore it shows a major lack of good judgment on his part as a leader.

The thing that gets me is McVince saw Moss as some highly rated up and comer that would get a HC job so he made him asst. HC.  How many legit interviews did Moss have?  More like, how many jobs was Moss in the running for?  Zero?  Now, we see the guy wasn't only a worthless coach but a ****ing cancer.  Then he brings in guys like Cignetti and other flop assistants to be yes men.  So while McVince was a professional in his own right his management was even worse than imagined.  

Seriously, what a monumental mess this team has been.  What a god damn waste.

"Do what the coach sez".  What if the coach is a ****ing idiot.  

Packdog posted:

Whitt made his hay off of Tramon and Sam Shields, then had Charles Woodson there who would make any coach look good. Beyond that a lot of "what ifs" and "WTF's" . Was that him or just some bad talent ?

Exactly! Amazes me that Dom got full blame for the fact that every time one of our DBs left the Packers they were automatically so much better. What about their position coaches?

McGinn has a blistering article today on Murphy. Basically is saying he is the de factor owner/gm and Gutey and MLF are just his pawns with the press conference the Murphy I am great show.  I think it will take us two years to know if the current set up will work. If it all goes to hell then the board will have to step in and the whole process starts over. The bad thing to that is Aaron and Me are then two years older. Hopefully McGinn is wrong...

Didn’t Moss interview a few times over the last few years? I thought he interviewed with Oakland for HC? Probably courtesy or Rooney Rule interview. Either way, not defending him, he consistently presided over underwhelming position groups and was a real turd at the end of his time. Is there any player from the 80’s The U teams that HASN’T turned out to be a turd? 

Firing Whitt doesn’t make sense unless Whitt requested his release. He said last offseason he wants to call plays, retaining Pettine means he wouldn’t get that chance. 

I’m not a believer in Murphy, but I don’t hate the moves he’s made over the last year. Reorganized the FO for more accountability, so far so good with his GM hire, fired MM which was clearly due, and he’s made a good (on paper) HC hire. We’ll see how things shake out over time, and it’s fair to criticize the fact that he waited too long to intervene, but within the last year he’s made the moves that needed to be made. Gotta give the guy some credit where it’s due.

Henry posted:

Ted Thompson = Super Bowl winning GM.  Put together that championship team.

Aaron Rodgers = Super Bowl winning QB.  Enough said.

McVince and The Wizard = Apparently along for the ride.

LOLOL

I agree that MM’s offense grew stale and his seemingly blind loyalty to his assistants was ultimately the cause for his undoing.....and I jumped off the Dom train several seasons ago, but now the HC and DC don’t get any credit for winning a SB????

That’s awesome! Keep up the good work. 

TT may have built that championship team, and he deserves credit for that, but where’s the post SB talent? He, like the rest of the staff, was around longer than he should have been.

Complacency. It happens. Now it’s over. Hopefully LaFreauear can right the ship and get this team back to playing respectable football. Hopefully Gute will bring in a few more Alexander-type rookies and a few less Jimmy Graham-type free agents. Hopefully Murphy will stay out of the way and not screw it all up. 

As for Whitt, I could care less that he’s gone. The Packers secondary has been an absolute joke for close to ten years now. He gets his share of blame for that. Maybe Woody can get his BFF a DC job somewhere. 

I agree GD. I hope in two years we are talking about putting Murphys name in the Packers HOF. I have my doubts tho. If things go to hell, the board may be slow to move him out because he has really done a great job on the business side of the isle and made the team a lot of money.  Of course, they could choose to take away the football operations side of his job description and he could pout for a year like Sherman did. 

What has Gutekunst done that's good? Other than a strong day 1 of the draft, he swung and missed an awful lot in his first year on the job.

FLPACKER posted:

Not being in meetings and on the field for practices, it is really difficult to know which position coaches are good teachers, which is really what they have to be. Even the best teachers have some students who fail, hard to tell if it is the teacher or the pupil. 

“When the student is ready, the teacher will come” . Buddha 

As much as I dislike losing Campen and Witt, I think the Packers are ready for something new.

I’m no fan of Murphy and think the power structure he set up is silly. He needs to sit in his penthouse and run the organization... Gute should have full control of the football team and the HC should answer to him.  

Murphy is a ****stick. 

Floridarob posted:

McGinn has a blistering article today on Murphy. Basically is saying he is the de factor owner/gm and Gutey and MLF are just his pawns with the press conference the Murphy I am great show.  I think it will take us two years to know if the current set up will work. If it all goes to hell then the board will have to step in and the whole process starts over. The bad thing to that is Aaron and Me are then two years older. Hopefully McGinn is wrong...

Would have to know who McGinn's sources are. Ron Wolf hearing things through Eliot? 

Don't think there's any doubt that Murphy is functioning as  the de facto owner. Even if the moves he made work out that doesn't make the structure he created a wise move. Previous structure that Harlan put in place served the franchise well and didn't need to be changed.

heyward posted:

What has Gutekunst done that's good? Other than a strong day 1 of the draft, he swung and missed an awful lot in his first year on the job.

The roster was better on opening day than it was when he took over. It’s a small body of work, but so far he’s drafted well, cut fat from the roster, used free agency, and hasn’t been afraid to make tough decisions. I expect these to be trends that continue. We’ll see, I’m not crowning is his ass, but so far I’m pleased.

I don’t understand why there’s so much angst over the FO structure, literally half the league has the same structure, including several successful teams. The issue isn’t the stucture, it’s about how involved Murphy is. If he’s butting in then it won’t work, if he’s not then it’s going to be fine.

Because the 80's.  Freakin' puber.

It isn't so much the structure as the guy that set it up like you said.  Everything moves slower in Green Bay because there is no owner so if Murphy keeps ****ing shit up you can pretty much bet Rodgers career will be over before it's rectified.

Floridarob posted:

McGinn has a blistering article today on Murphy. Basically is saying he is the de factor owner/gm and Gutey and MLF are just his pawns with the press conference the Murphy I am great show.  I think it will take us two years to know if the current set up will work. If it all goes to hell then the board will have to step in and the whole process starts over. The bad thing to that is Aaron and Me are then two years older. Hopefully McGinn is wrong...

Set up won’t work. You’ll see. If Lefleur is a good coach he won’t put up with Murphy’s meddling for long. If he sucks as a coach I want Murphy OUT replaced by the Bob Harlan model.

What has he really fukked up though? Hes been hands off this entire time and TT/MM ran the program into the ground. There was no accountability from the top, but now we’re worried that there will be accountability? I don’t think he will interfere, I think it will be Gute and MFer’s team to sink or swim. 

I’m no fan of the guy, I don’t think he’s proven anything at this point. He didn’t hire TT or MM and he wasn’t key to the SB win, he’s just been in the background with the business side. This was his moment to prove himself, this is officially his team. We’ll see, I don’t think he’s this boogie man that’s going to drive the team back into the 80’s. This set up is so common and it works elsewhere.

That's what he ****ed up.  Doing nothing while the program was run into the ground.

There's a huge difference between accountability and straight up meddling.  While it really hasn't shook out one way or the other quite yet he's already walking in with a huge strike against him.  He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt here.  He has to prove he isn't the same moron who played reach around with Goodell while everything went to hell.

Well do you want him meddling or not? We had the “Harlan structure” before and it failed. You could argue he should have made a move after ‘15, but they made the NFCC in ‘16. If the team lost 2 NFCCs in 3 years, I don’t even think Harlan would have stepped in to make a move. 

Dom Capers

Why the **** would I want him meddling?  I think he's a jackhole.  

What you speak of is the Rodgers effect making everything okay until it's not.  The problem with Murphy and the Rodgers effect is it shouldn't have ever affected him in the first place.  If he broke everything up because of "silos" and "complacency" then he wasn't paying attention in the first place.  He's responsible for operations, which would mean yanking TT for a new GM and letting the process go from there, not restructuring everything for a potential power grab.  He's not a Rooney.  

Simply put, he has a lot to prove.  

If Murphy cleaned house afer the Seattle debacle we would have been screaming that he overreacted. Last year the team was playing pretty good but then Barr ended that and we knew we were screwed as soon as the gum chewer took the field but he still revised the front office.  This year was just a disaser from the get go and Murphy cleaned house with the coaches. If anything, Murphy was one year late. I think he should get a couple of years before we run him out of Dodge 

The only problem with that is nobody liked him for years before the Seattle debacle.  He was pulling Goodell pud over revenue streams for the NFL.  So, no, a guy that was never interested in what was going on the field in the first place only to completely gut and restructure after 3 years of hot steaming dog shit in the FO/coaching ranks doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.  

It's worth remembering that Murphy was only hired after John Jones had health problems. Harlan made the tough decision to block Jones' ascension to President right before it was about to happen. Instead of Jones (who was around the organization for a long time and had been groomed to take over the position), they ended up with Murphy. Murphy was still the AD at Northwestern when he was hired at GB. 

The Packers' President position was a dream job for Jones. He had been the editor of Packer Report when he was younger. Murphy is just a typical NFL guy who no prior ties to GB at all. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jones_(American_football_executive)

Yep, good point.  We got the boobie prize instead.