excalibur posted:Someone has to say it! Terrible hire. There, we can offset the enthused crowd.
Called it.
Peter King on Pro Football Talk this morning had an interesting point:
League rules prohibiting contact between coaches and players applies until April 1st (actually 1st Monday in April).
Incidentally, this applies to teams with new HCs only; all other teams have to wait until 3rd Monday in April.
Florio's take from a few years back sheds a little more light.
Henry posted:Pakrz posted:Henry posted:Load up. Better be a busy offseason. Really hope he can bring in solid assistants.
Obviously the Gase and McDaniels personalities weren't going to fly. Not surprised when you have a highly intelligent QB running the offense.
AR is as intelligent as Matt Leinart, Christian Ponder and Kellen Clemons, but not as intelligent as Anthony Dilweg, Akili Smith, Scott Tolzien, Matt Stafford, Alex Smith and especially Ryan Fitzpatrick.
He IS barely smarter than Tom Brady though so there's a chance the problem isn't simply that AR is a pompous prick that thinks he's smarter than everybody in the room, including the coach.
Are you going on Wonderlic? The simple fact is there have been two QBs with the innate intelligence on the field to comprehensively run the offense from the line over the past couple decades and that's Rodgers and Manning.
Yes, Wonderlic. While a bit flawed, it's the only measurable source available out there to gauge intelligence for a NFL player that I know of. I don't think Rodgers and Manning are/were the only two QB's capable of running the offense at the line of scrimmage. They were the only two permitted to do it... well Manning was permitted while Rodgers kind of just did it according to M. Lewis.
Brees, Rivers, Wilson, Romo, etc. have the same capabilities of calling out offensive plays.
1) Comprehensively running the offense. Romo, no. Wilson and Brees, sure. That really doesn't change the fact Rodgers is often the smartest guy in the room and having a coach of the same mindset as Rodgers will be a huge benefit.
2) "Let Aaron handle it" was an offensive tenant under McVince. What Lewis divulged was merely a snapshot of a devolving situation, to which there are multiple examples of the breakdown. See Coach Kizer and Coach Boyle.
It's the notion of Rodgers being out of control or a "monster" that I find silly. Of course he's going to have strong opinions and input but that's more indicative of wanting to win, which is what we all praise as competitiveness. Does anyone truly think Rodgers believes he is above offensive game planning and coaching overall? Or that the fundamental structure of a football team is beneath him? What I find even more hilarious are those talking like he doesn't give a shit because he's collecting a paycheck. Comparatively, how long did Rodgers play on a contract substantially under his worth? Was he making demands and holding out playing on a franchise tag? (Cousins)
I have no doubt there's a giant ego, just like the rest of the giant egos wandering the NFL landscape. Ego collaboration, that's what it's about. If Geegox gets the bodies to protect Rodgers does anyone think collaborative game planning between LaFluer/OC/Rodgers won't reap huge benefits?
Football IQ is different than real world IQ, which is what the Wonderlic measures. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Wilson, Romo, etc. all have very high football IQ and an understanding of what they're seeing on the field and what the other 10 players on offense are doing/will do. Leinart and others weren't permitted because they likely didn't have the football IQ to understand what they were seeing or the instincts to predict what was going to happen.
Much like Internet forum IQ is different from real world IQ. 
Exactly. I have to label my underwear "front" and "back" and socks as "not for hands and only sometimes for dick".
Grave Digger posted:Football IQ is different than real world IQ, which is what the Wonderlic measures. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Wilson, Romo, etc. all have very high football IQ and an understanding of what they're seeing on the field and what the other 10 players on offense are doing/will do. Leinart and others weren't permitted because they likely didn't have the football IQ to understand what they were seeing or the instincts to predict what was going to happen.
Exactly. Perhaps the wonderlic helps teams figure out if a person is reasonably smart. But football smarts are a whole different thing to SEE the field and feel what is going to happen and that is something the AR excels at. Think about it with all that is going on pre-snap AR can still see that there are 12 players on the field and we have seen 100 times what he will do to that defense in that circumstance. I personally would put AR's football intelligence up against anyone who has ever played the game.
Henry, I agree with your thoughts that AR is not an out of control monster. He has said in the past he WANTS to be coached. He wants the input when he hits the sidelines.
Grave Digger posted:If Kingsbury doesn’t land a HC job, I’d give him a loooong look at OC now that he’s gone from USC.
KK isn't gone from USC, he is just open to interviewing for NFL HC jobs. I'd love him as OC but isn't 'needing' a job.
Meethinks he is just waiting for the current USC guy to get canned…
The Titans ran the ball a lot last year. Which is a little surprising in that LeFleur was an upcoming commodity coming out of last years coaching searches. You'd think he'd go all 5 wide and motion and innovation to try and build up his resume. But he really didn't. He pretty much stuck with what the Titans did best.
I don't want this to become LeFleur has to fix Rodgers. LeFleur has to fix this offense. And the culture in GB in general. He's got a big job ahead of him.
I don't think I saw this for a name.
Pepe.
Pepe LeFleur.
Get it? 
Yep. The narrative of it all centering on Rodgers will continue to be overblown when there are serious talent and coaching deficiencies to catch up on.
Just getting the jump on things is a huge element in getting a shot at the best assistants out there.
EC Pack posted:I don't think I saw this for a name.
Pepe.
Pepe LeFleur.
Get it?
Congratulations. I was waiting for it.
chickenboy posted:Grave Digger posted:If Kingsbury doesn’t land a HC job, I’d give him a loooong look at OC now that he’s gone from USC.
KK isn't gone from USC, he is just open to interviewing for NFL HC jobs. I'd love him as OC but isn't 'needing' a job.
Meethinks he is just waiting for the current USC guy to get canned…
USC already blocked him from interviewing, so either he resigned or USC caved. We haven't heard he officially resigned so yeah he's likely still employed by USC, but it's hard to believe he will rejoin USC if he doesn't land an NFL job. Very awkward situation. If he has aspirations to be an NFL HC then being an NFL OC is a better path than a college OC.
New Packers coach Matt LaFleur will travel to Green Bay later today and is expected to be formally introduced tomorrow at Lambeau Field.
Timmy! posted:Peter King on Pro Football Talk this morning had an interesting point:
League rules prohibiting contact between coaches and players applies until April 1st (actually 1st Monday in April).
Incidentally, this applies to teams with new HCs only; all other teams have to wait until 3rd Monday in April.Florio's take from a few years back sheds a little more light.
So they give new HC's 2 weeks more to get their new culture in place. I guess current HC's don't need that. kinda weird but ok...
Pikes Peak posted:Much like Internet forum IQ is different from real world IQ.
I am a highly successful internet forum poster
Lambeau and LeFleur. There could be something there, doc.
The French Connection. Running high grade offensive smack.
ChilliJon posted:The Titans ran the ball a lot last year. Which is a little surprising in that LeFleur was an upcoming commodity coming out of last years coaching searches. You'd think he'd go all 5 wide and motion and innovation to try and build up his resume. But he really didn't. He pretty much stuck with what the Titans did best.
I don't want this to become LeFleur has to fix Rodgers. LeFleur has to fix this offense. And the culture in GB in general. He's got a big job ahead of him.
LaFluer knew that putting together good offense was more important than trying to make him look like ‘all the rage’ in coach searches
Floridarob posted:.... the scheme MLF runs.
Another one of his attributes....there's no "I" in "MLF" !!!
Done deal: The #Packers and Matt LaFleur agreed to a four-year contract with a fifth-year option, source said. Strong numbers for a first-time coach. They got their guy.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) January 8, 2019
Grave Digger posted:Football IQ is different than real world IQ, which is what the Wonderlic measures. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Wilson, Romo, etc. all have very high football IQ and an understanding of what they're seeing on the field and what the other 10 players on offense are doing/will do. Leinart and others weren't permitted because they likely didn't have the football IQ to understand what they were seeing or the instincts to predict what was going to happen.
I remember an interview with Rodgers where he mentioned that he can recall every play. That if you gave him a certain play from a past game he can tell you where and how the offense was set up and where the defense was on that particular play. That's either football IQ or a Sheldon-like mind.
Josh McDaniels won't interview for HC positions
Only interviewed with Packers, obviously butthurt that he got spurned. Oh well, what goes around comes around. GB and the Colts are better off, he can stay in NE where he's in the Belichick/Brady safe space that makes him look like a genius.
Didn’t LaFleur play with Janis! at Saginaw Valley State? Or was that after he left?
michiganjoe posted:Done deal: The #Packers and Matt LaFleur agreed to a four-year contract with a fifth-year option, source said. Strong numbers for a first-time coach. They got their guy.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) January 8, 2019
I don't know. Stephen A. Smith criticized the move this morning.
Looking like an overhaul for the offense.
One of the #Packers offensive coaches with an offer to stay is TEs coach Brian Angelichio, source said. He served with Kyle Shanahan in Cleveland and knows Matt LaFleur and his offense. #Packers think highly of him.
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 8, 2019
PackerPatrick posted:Didn’t LaFleur play with Janis! at Saginaw Valley State? Or was that after he left?
MayoFace to VanillaFace. Considering LaFleur is 39 I'm guessing they didn't play together.
Henry posted:PackerPatrick posted:Didn’t LaFleur play with Janis! at Saginaw Valley State? Or was that after he left?
MayoFace to VanillaFace. Considering LaFleur is 39 I'm guessing they didn't play together.
😉 yah, but the same skool.
PackerPatrick posted:Didn’t LaFleur play with Janis! at Saginaw Valley State? Or was that after he left?
Quite possibly some overlap there with Ruvell Martin, either as a player or coach.
Packdog posted:Matt LaFleur is Mike McCarthy before McCarthy stopped grinding. Both smart, creative offensivey, great pedigrees and strong leadership traits. Most importantly HE WILL COACH AARON HARD!
— Trent Dilfer (@DilfersDimes) January 7, 2019
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/playPopup?id=25709347
At the last minute mark of this interview, Wilde hints at the same thing Dilfer says.
Interesting. Another story out there that came to light this week is that after the NFCC loss in Seattle, MM shut himself in and refused to hear anyone inside his office that weren't "yes" men to him. He didn't want to hear criticisms or ideas that challenged his schemes and same story says he became a scared coach and wasn't willing to make major changes to his base offense.
Also worth noting that outside of the Jets, I don't see MM being the hot commodity with 7 NFL openings that some thought he'd be.
I'm guessing McDaniels is bad at interviewing?
Anyway, here's the 2018 stats for Mark Murphy's guy to coach out almost the entirety of Rodgers's contract:
29th in passing
25th in total yards
27th in points per game
27th in passing first downs
25th Yard per game
27th in touchdowns
23rd Yards per play
26th in total first downs
He also had a boner for Kirk Cousins.
packerboi posted:Interesting. Another story out there that came to light this week is that after the NFCC loss in Seattle, MM shut himself in and refused to hear anyone inside his office that weren't "yes" men to him. He didn't want to hear criticisms or ideas that challenged his schemes and same story says he became a scared coach and wasn't willing to make major changes to his base offense.
Doc Benni and his sneaky friends.
Anybody remember that McCarthy’s offense at San Fran the year the Packers hired him was ranked 32nd in th3 NFL.
Pikes Peak posted:Um....MILF
Hey, old geezers aren't supposed to know what that means.
I don't think McD is butthurt - He didn't want to move/uproot his family anyway but was considering it for the Packers. I think that's impressive. In any event, it's a done deal now. McD back in Patty land & the Pack have a MLF now