Official 2018 Draft Thread

Packers should be moving on up each week.

No, that's not something I'd normally cheer but if anything comes out of this schit show season, a top 6-10 pick may be the best.

This is apparently a QB heavy draft, if the Packers move up that high, they should get a top flight non-QB talent.

Good point.  I don't know anything else about this class right now.  

My favorite WR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uJATh1FyHM

TE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQezozStm-0

Have not looked at videos of edge rushers yet

If Packers finish 5-11, I can see them drafting as high as 4th  overall

That might be fun

Anywhere above 10 is fine by me.  It's rare for a perennially good team to draft in the top 10 due to 1 off year.  But if CAR can go to a SB one year then draft #8 the next, I'm good with it.  Could make this nightmare of a season all worth it if it means getting more top-end talent, especially where we really need it.

No, we can't draft a DC.  I just checked.

Just checked a couple sites.  Looks like a lot of D in top half of RD1 but not where we need it most.  Lots of S and DT/DE.  Only O players I see consistently that high aside from QB's is Barkley and Ridley and a few OL.  Barkley won't make it past #4 but Ridley wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.  Not that TT would take a WR that high.  

packerboi posted:

This is apparently a QB heavy draft, if the Packers move up that high, they should get a top flight non-QB talent.

Trader Ted would turn it into more picks.

If drafting D, 

 DRAFT SOMEONE WHO WILL HIT!!!! AND MAKE SURE HE DOESN'T RUN LIKE HE HAS CONCRETE SHOES ON!!  

And someone who is durable....

Based on recent events. Need a QB. A real QB. Who’s gonna sit for a few years yet win some games should the need arise. 

Draft everyone on the Badgers defense, then hire Jim Leonhard as DC ...  defensive problems solved.

Top 10 Picks and the Green Bay Packers haven't meshed very well in my lifetime.  I think of guys like Mandarich, Buckley, Fullwood, Reynolds, Hawk, Clark, Rich Campbell and I start to break out in a cold sweat.  They did get BJ Raji and Sterling Sharpe though in the top 10.  At least Raji was good for a couple of years.  And to be fair to Fullwood, he did make 1 Pro Bowl before he busted in '90. 

DH13 posted:

Just checked a couple sites.  Looks like a lot of D in top half of RD1 but not where we need it most.  Lots of S and DT/DE. 

IF (hey I can dream), they move on from Dom, there are some pretty good pure 4-3 pass rushers in this draft. Some say the Packers already have some key pieces in the 4-3 with Kenny Clark, Nick Perry, Kevin King, Daniels and Martinez.

Find another good 4-3 pass rusher opposite Nick and either cut CMIII or push him inside at a much cheaper salary and go draft another CB.

With a DC who knows what he's doing, this defense could turn around in a hurry.

I'm thinking if they draft that high and a franchise-type QB is there (maybe Rosen), take him. Hopefully he can be a quality backup early on and they have four years to hash out if he's the future or not. Rodgers will be 38 then and he may not be done, but trade the other guy or move on with him even if you have to juggle contract money for an extra year.

Hungry5 posted:

packerboi posted:

This is apparently a QB heavy draft, if the Packers move up that high, they should get a top flight non-QB talent.

Trader Ted would turn it into more picks.

Yes, he probably would.  Draft and develop baby! (sarcasm alert).

They already have 11 picks, possibly 12.    We could replace our entire defense if we wanted to.  Lol

Packiderm posted:

If drafting D, 

 DRAFT SOMEONE WHO WILL HIT!!!! AND MAKE SURE HE DOESN'T RUN LIKE HE HAS CONCRETE SHOES ON!!  

This right here.  I don't care what position it is on defense I say get some guys who are nasty, hit, and can run.  Oh and can we trade Dom and his rug for a pick?

DH13 posted:

No, we can't draft a DC.  I just checked.

BrainDed posted:

They already have 11 picks, possibly 12.    We could replace our entire defense if we wanted to.  Lol

I'd really like to know what happened with that Lerentee McCray pick from the Bills.  The Packers were supposed to get the Bills 7th round pick in 2018 if McCray made the Bills roster.  McCray made the team, was on the Bills roster at the end of the year and had appeared in 13 games.  Not sure how the Packers wouldn't get a pick for that unless the media reported it incorrectly.  But something is whacked because the Bills traded that 7th round pick as part of the Kelvin Benjamin trade.  So at this time I'm guessing the Packers will get nothing for McCray.  I figure the Packers will have 11 picks, their own picks and 4 compensatory picks which according to overthecap.com would be a third, a fifth and two sixes.

Will also say it's a little hard to be real excited about the draft these days with as poor as the Packers have done recently.  Over the last couple of weeks McGinn has made side references to Thompson relying more and more on the coaching staff and less and less on the scouts when making these decisions and if that's what's caused the dropoff then that needs to change.  Coaches should be able to give an OK on a player but I've never liked the idea of coaches picking these guys because they will always be the "give me the great athlete that can't play and I'll coach them up" mentality and that can get pretty dangerous pretty quick.  See Mike Sherman.

Just draft the BPA regardless of position. They've had 8 first or second round draft picks in the last 4 drafts. They've used 5 of them on defensive backs (Ha Ha, Rollins, Randall, Jones, and King). It would be interesting to look back at and see who they've passed on to keep drafting DBs high.

I thought the drafts have been better the last couple years though I have no idea if that's the scouts or the coaches.  

2017: first 6 of 8 picks look productive or better so far. King, Jones, Adams, Biegel, Williams, Jones.

2016: 3 or 4 of 7 look productive or better. Clark, Martinez, Lowry, maybe Murphy.

2015: 3 of first 6 are solid.  where Randall ends up swings this draft a lot as he has the highest potential for value. Montgomery, Ripkowski, Ryan.  If Randall&Rollins both finally bomb out, this draft hurt at the top.

2014: Dix, Adams, Linsley. RRodgers has had moments.

IMO, the only way the Packers draft a QB in the first round is if ARod's bonafide doppelganger is available. DB, LB or WR, I'm guessing, will most likely be the positions targeted in the first round by the Packers, if anyone of quality at those positions are there when the Packers pick. What I don't want to see is TT picking a DB, WR or whatever, because he was good at basketball or the high jump in track. Get players who actually have played the position you are drafting for.

He's not going to take another CB in RD1 unless he's an elite talent and I don't see one of those at the position in this draft.  He's also not going to take a WR #1 unless he thinks Ridley is elite talent.  He'll probably trade down and take an OL or edge rusher if value is there.  More likely he'll do something none of us expected and leaves us debating if he should have passed on a guy that was there at the original pick.

If there is any good to come of this season I hope it is that GB gets a dominant defense out of this situation.   I do suspect that a new voice is needed in the locker room.. Whether GB employs  3-4 or 4-3 there does appear to be some talent on this team and it is a matter for the coaches to maximize.  That being said  this does not appear to be a draft full of defensive studs and the cornerback class pales when compared to last years.  One guy I really like, and maybe he lasts to 10 is Arden Key (OLB LSU) .  His game against Alabama was Von Miller like or Bradley Chubb.  Should GB go another route in the first I also like Harold Landy of BC in the second.  There will obviously be many changes once the underwear Olympics rolls around but offensive players appear to lead the 2018 draft board right now.  

  We all marveled at how GB seemed to find a running game this year and while with 12 in there it appeared promising having 5 guards play O-line is not healthy for the long term good of the offense.  So perhaps an OT or  a WR will be at the top of the draft borad but I still expect a pass-rusher 1st and an OT in the second and CB,  TE in the 3rd.

FLPACKER posted:

My favorite WR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uJATh1FyHM

TE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQezozStm-0

Have not looked at videos of edge rushers yet

When I glanced at the highlight reel of the PSU TE he looked like a taller John Mackey; it was eerie!

I saw this TE play for a half accidentally one day and liked what I saw but he's a junior.
http://www.gamecocksonline.com...en_hurst_976096.html

What's wrong with a JR?

might not declare for the draft

DH13 posted:

I thought the drafts have been better the last couple years though I have no idea if that's the scouts or the coaches.   

I think it is way too premature to judge the Packers 2017 draft.

 As for the 2014-2016 drafts, they may have been “better” than prior drafts but they are not much to write home about in my view. Other than Adams, there is no real difference maker from those three drafts on the roster right now and even he is more solid than spectacular. Clark is also very solid. Randall may yet become a difference maker.

Otherwise, there are several Just A Guy (JAG) types, more than a few busts, and not much else.

Again, depending upon how Randall turns out, the 2015 draft may end up being one of the worst under the current regime.

2016

• Clark – Excellent
• Spriggs – Bust so far
• Fackrell – Bust so far
• Martinez – Good
• Lowry – JAG
• Davis – Not even a JAG
• Murphy – Incomplete

2015

• Randall – Agree too early to call could go either way on & off the field. Big ?
• Rollins – Bust
• Montgomery – JAG
• Ryan – JAG (Martinez drafted in 2016 because Ryan is JAG at best)
• Hundley – No comment
• Ripkowski – JAG (Would Kerridge offer anything less?)
• Ringo – Gone
• Backman – Gone

2014

• HHCD – JAG (1st round JAGs are not draft hits)
• Adams – Excellent
• Thornton – Bust/Gone
• Rodgers – JAG (3 free agents signed the last 2 years to replace him)
• Bradford – Bust/Gone
• Linsley – Good
• Abbredaris – Gone
• Goodson – JAG at best
• Janis – Good on STs

Talk about a swing-and-a-miss: Datone Jones let go by the 49ers. The 49ers! That was a wasted pick.

Some chicks stay ugly ducklings.  

#thanksted

ZOMG! Ted blew a PICK! He's the first & ONLY GM to blow a pick in the draft!!!

FIRE HIM NOW!!!

TT has way more wins in the draft than losses - more than most if not ALL GM's.

Start looking at the overall picture & stop cherry picking draft picks for your agenda

Packers need at least one premiere pass rusher, if not 2. Draft 1, find one in FA.

Use that money you would be paying CMIII on a proven pass rusher.  Right on cue, CMIII with his typical "groin"/"hamstring" problem mid-season.

You're not going to find a proven pass rusher in FA.  The good ones won't will be re-signed and the rest are free for a reason.

Back around the time when Jordy was drafted, Green Bay seemed to be doing very well finding WRs. Some guys have been real finds since, and some... just didn't develop, to put it as kindly as possible. Need to get back on track.
The last few years it has been primarily CBs and some Ss, especially guys that are added as UDFAs. This year particularly, they were looking at guys that could play the hybrid DB/LB role. I agree Randall and Rollins can swing on how their drafts are ultimately judged. At this point, I'd settle for 1 of them to finally emerge
I think they have done well with DL the last 2 years. Clark looks like a winner. I'll argue a bit with SteveLuke over Lowry; I think he's rock solid and has far exceeded his value. Who knows what we have with Adams? Can't say he's a bust, but he has been poor ROI thus far.

With that said, they need to get much better scouting OL and LBs, We need help at every position. Speaking of arguing with SL, I'll say Linsley is a JAG. Poor pass protection and had that limp-wristed snap going on this year. Plus depth behind him is virtually nil.
No need to mention the hot mess that exists at LB, both inside and out. As they have been for how many years now? We also have the very real prospect with life without CM3 looming.

RB is still in turmoil. I think the Packers have made some decent picks, but nobody can stay healthy long enough to establish themselves. Green Bay has very little money invested at RB, and it mostly shows. And I have no idea what the team is doing with Ripper; he was getting plenty of snaps at FB and RB for a while last year (and doing relatively well excepting a particular fumble...), and this year it seems we see him for a few snaps about every 3 games. For reasons unknown, MM and/or Bennett aren't utilizing a FB this season.

SteveLuke posted:

DH13 posted:

I thought the drafts have been better the last couple years though I have no idea if that's the scouts or the coaches.   

I think it is way too premature to judge the Packers 2017 draft.

 As for the 2014-2016 drafts, they may have been “better” than prior drafts but they are not much to write home about in my view. Other than Adams, there is no real difference maker from those three drafts on the roster right now and even he is more solid than spectacular. Clark is also very solid. Randall may yet become a difference maker.

Otherwise, there are several Just A Guy (JAG) types, more than a few busts, and not much else.

Again, depending upon how Randall turns out, the 2015 draft may end up being one of the worst under the current regime.

2016

• Clark – Excellent
• Spriggs – Bust so far
• Fackrell – Bust so far
• Martinez – Good
• Lowry – JAG
• Davis – Not even a JAG
• Murphy – Incomplete

2015

• Randall – Agree too early to call could go either way on & off the field. Big ?
• Rollins – Bust
• Montgomery – JAG
• Ryan – JAG (Martinez drafted in 2016 because Ryan is JAG at best)
• Hundley – No comment
• Ripkowski – JAG (Would Kerridge offer anything less?)
• Ringo – Gone
• Backman – Gone

2014

• HHCD – JAG (1st round JAGs are not draft hits)
• Adams – Excellent
• Thornton – Bust/Gone
• Rodgers – JAG (3 free agents signed the last 2 years to replace him)
• Bradford – Bust/Gone
• Linsley – Good
• Abbredaris – Gone
• Goodson – JAG at best
• Janis – Good on STs

I think that's pretty close.  I'd just make a couple changes

Clinton-Dix is better than being just a guy.  He had a poor start to this year but has looked better since.  Good years in 2015 and 2016.  Maybe not an excellent player but no worse than very good.

I'd put Randall in the bust category.

I'd only count Clinton-Dix, Adams, Linsley, Clark and Martinez as players who are real solid NFL starter quality and less than 2 players like that per draft isn't nearly enough when the overriding concept is draft and develop. 

Brainwashed Boris posted:

If Packers finish 5-11, I can see them drafting as high as 4th  overall

That might be fun

AJ Part II.

Yay.