AJ Hawk was the 5th overall pick

Now that we're out of the playoff officially, new order as of end of week 15:

2018 NFL Draft Order

Pick	Team	Record	Win%	GB	SOS	Streak
1	Cleveland	0-14	.000	--	.513	Lost 14
2	NY Giants	2-12	.143	2.0	.527	Lost 4
3	Indianapolis	3-11	.214	3.0	.487	Lost 5
4	Houston CLE	4-10	.286	4.0	.504	Lost 4
5	San Francisco	4-10	.286	4.0	.513	Won 3
6	Chicago	4-10	.286	4.0	.558	Lost 1
7	Tampa Bay	4-10	.286	4.0	.563	Lost 4
8	Cincinnati	5-9	.357	5.0	.473	Lost 3
9	Denver	5-9	.357	5.0	.482	Won 2
10	NY Jets	5-9	.357	5.0	.531	Lost 2
11	Arizona	6-8	.429	6.0	.487	Lost 1
12	Oakland	6-8	.429	6.0	.509	Lost 2
13	Washington	6-8	.429	6.0	.531	Won 1
14	Miami	6-8	.429	6.0	.549	Lost 1
15	LA Chargers	7-7	.500	7.0	.473	Lost 1
16	Green Bay	7-7	.500	7.0	.531	Lost 1
17	Baltimore	8-6	.571	8.0	.442	Won 1
18	Detroit	8-6	.571	8.0	.487	Won 2
19	Seattle	8-6	.571	8.0	.487	Lost 2
20	Dallas	8-6	.571	8.0	.491	Won 3
WILD CARD ROUND LOSERS
21	Tennessee	8-6	.571	8.0	.438	Lost 2
22	Buffalo	8-6	.571	8.0	.496	Won 2
23	Atlanta	9-5	.643	9.0	.554	Won 2
24	New Orleans	10-4	.714	10.0	.545	Won 1
DIVISIONAL ROUND LOSERS
25	Kansas City BUF	8-6	.571	8.0	.487	Won 2
26	Jacksonville	10-4	.714	10.0	.420	Won 3
27	LA Rams	10-4	.714	10.0	.491	Won 1
28	Carolina	10-4	.714	10.0	.545	Won 2
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP LOSERS
29	Pittsburgh	11-3	.786	11.0	.446	Lost 1
30	Minnesota	11-3	.786	11.0	.496	Won 1
SUPER BOWL TEAMS
31	New England	11-3	.786	11.0	.500	Won 1
32	Philadelphia	12-2	.857	12.0	.446	Won 2

BTW based on the last couple years, if the Rodgersless and Adamsless Packers go to 7-9, that should put them drafting somewhere around the top 11-13ish of each round.

We have 12 picks, right now we are projected to have 8 of those picks in the first 5 rounds. 

Brainwashed Boris posted:

ZOMG! Ted blew a PICK! He's the first & ONLY GM to blow a pick in the draft!!!

FIRE HIM NOW!!!

TT has way more wins in the draft than losses - more than most if not ALL GM's.

Start looking at the overall picture & stop cherry picking draft picks for your agenda

I will say this, just overall, the Packers talent evaluation has slipped at least a little bit since John Dorsey, John Schneider, and Reggie McKenzie were lured out of the organization.  When Aaron Rodgers can't play, the lack of top shelf talent really shows.  They have some good players, but very few difference makers now that Matthews and Nelson have begun to decline.

Love to see a Tackle with the first pick, corner with the second.  Edge rushers and guards all over the rest of the place.  I know we would all love a TE, but MM doesn't seem to know how to use them anyway.  Free agency might be the place to pick up another WR.  

I'm guessing Rodgers doesn't play the rest of the season increasing our chances of losing & finishing 7-9.

We should draft between 11-15 if that happens. 

If you were playing on this team & knowing the last 2 games are for all intents and purposes pre-season games. Wouldn't you be just a little "dinged up" not able to play?

What's the point of playing....You play to win the game...however in the last 2 games, what are you playing for? 

Humans....not robots.

We play to deny the Vikes a first round bye.

YATittle posted:

We play to deny the Vikes a first round bye.

That’s what I want. 

Agree with Boris. I could easily see players like Kenny Clark (ankle), Nick Perry (sprained everything), Davon House, etc sitting the rest of the season along with 12 and 17. 7-9 puts them in a pretty decent position in the draft where they arguably could get a top 5 defensive player since likely 8 of the 1st draft picks likely go QB/OT.

There also may be a stud RB or WR a team will want in the top 10 that leaves GB the ability to get a difference maker on D.

Some have speculated the Packers could take 2 edge rushers in the 1st and 2nd (much like they did with DB's the last 2 drafts).

They desperately need rushers. A healthy Kevin King and Damarious with House at depth and a veteran CB signed in FA? IMO, there not as bad in the secondary as some think.

But pass rusher(s) is a whole other can of worms.

Fixing the (lack of a) pass rush has to be the top draft priority.

GB better not use a draft pick in the first 5 rounds unless Capers is long ****ing gone. Tired of wasting assets on him. 

If the best player available in round 1 is a G or T I’d be fine with that. Bulaga might be done and you can’t expect Evans to hold up again like he did this year. 

Plenty of talent on defense already. That side of the ball needs two things. Health and coaching. 

They've drafted D in the 1st round in 8 of the last 9 years I think. If they don't replace Dom, will it matter if they get a JJ Watt in the top 15?

Don't think so.  And this is the first time I actually feel like they've finally crossed the rubicon in realizing they need a change.  That's a lot of investment in a unit that just can't find a way to improve overall.  And TT needs to start drafting O again.

packerboi posted:

Agree with Boris. I could easily see players like Kenny Clark (ankle), Nick Perry (sprained everything), Davon House, etc sitting the rest of the season along with 12 and 17. 7-9 puts them in a pretty decent position in the draft where they arguably could get a top 5 defensive player since likely 8 of the 1st draft picks likely go QB/OT.

There also may be a stud RB or WR a team will want in the top 10 that leaves GB the ability to get a difference maker on D.

Some have speculated the Packers could take 2 edge rushers in the 1st and 2nd (much like they did with DB's the last 2 drafts).

They desperately need rushers. A healthy Kevin King and Damarious with House at depth and a veteran CB signed in FA? IMO, there not as bad in the secondary as some think.

But pass rusher(s) is a whole other can of worms.

Agree on the secondary being more than adequate. Our secondary doesn't get beat more than any other team's secondary on good routes by great receivers. Our defensive problems from blown coverages are the biggest problem. The Greg Olsen TD to open the second half should be the final nail in Dom's coffin as the Packers DC. A Hall of Fame level TE who probably runs about a 4.8 runs straight ahead untouched without making a move to catch a pass with no one within 20 yards.

They need offensive talent and a lot of it. Other than RB, LT, and QB they need upgrades everywhere. No more expecting 7th round WR picks to make a difference. They used the vast majority of the high picks on the defensive side of the ball and figured that Rodgers would be enough to score points (which turned out to be right if he had stayed healthy). I arbitrarily list the guys picked in the first 4 rounds the last 4 years. This should be heart of the team right now. With a few exceptions, it's not pretty.

2017 First 4 rounds: King (CB), Jones (S), Adams (DT), Biegel (OLB), Williams (RB)

2016: Clark (DT), Spriggs (Turnstile), Fackrell (OLB), Martinez (ILB), Lowry (ILB)

2015: Randall (CB), Rollins (CB), Montgomery (WR/RB), Ryan (ILB)

2014: Dix (S), Adams (WR), Thornton (DL), Rodgers (TE), Bradford (ILB)

Great Picks (A grade): Kenny Clark, D. Adams

Good Picks (B grade) (based on performance and draft round): Williams, Martinez, Lowry, Dix, Jones (maybe lower but he looked good early), Randall (past 8 games)

Adequate (C grade): Montgomery, Ryan, Rollins, RichRod

Incomplete (injury): King, Biegel, M. Adams

Awful (F): Spriggs, Fackrell, Thornton, Bradford

In the last 4 years on offense, they've added one excellent player (D. Adams), a backup slot guy (Monty), a backup TE (RichRod) and a promising workhorse RB (Williams). They've not drafted a useful OL other than Linsley (5th round).

I would guess there aren't many teams in the league that have added less offensive talent in the last 4 years than the Packers. For 2018, they have to upgrade (or replace injured or older guys) at the following positions:

RT (Bulaga/Spriggs), RG (Evans will be 35 next season), WR (Nelson), TE (probably 2 players). In other words, they need to replace 4 starters on offense, and it's unlikely they have a replacement on the roster for TE or WR (we'll see on the OL since Murphy or McCray might be adequate).

Rodgers will be 35 next year. I don't see the offensive talent as a 1-2 year fix at this point. Not without some more investments in veteran free agents, but TT is more likely to wait for Allison, Clarke, Davis, Janis, Spriggs, etc. to develop

If so then TT needs to go.  As noted Rodgers will be 35.  Lets go.

Did I miss something or are you not including A Jones?  Seems like an explosive kid if he stays healthy.

I have no issue with Spriggs being the RT for the next 3-4 years. I see some of the troubles he has, but he also has had some solid games. His problems have been with power/speed moves, so with some more bulk I expect him to get more consistent. 

Spriggs hasn't looked good so far to say the least, but we have seen turnarounds before with guys who looked lost.  Admittedly, sometimes they never turn around like Sherrod, but he did have some serious injuries which didn't help him any. 

Lane Taylor, now there is a guy who the first few times I saw him I thought he was well below average, but he's developed into at least a solid reliable player at this point.  Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle both looked pretty shaky when they were pressed into service many years ago, but eventually they both became Pro-Bowl level guards with Wahle in particular becoming one of the better guards I have seen play for the Packers in the 40 years I've been watching them. 

I guess one key difference between the guys I mention and Spriggs is that Spriggs is playing tackle whereas the guys who turned things around were all guards.  If nothing else, we know that the Packers will give a high draft choice like Spriggs every chance to turn it around next season.   The only high draft pick I can remember that they gave up on quickly was Brian Brohm.  

DH13 posted:

Did I miss something or are you not including A Jones?  Seems like an explosive kid if he stays healthy.

He was drafted in the 5th round (3 picks away from being a 6th rounder). He was a great pick. I arbitrarily picked the first 4 rounds because those picks almost always make most teams rosters.

Ted has been pretty golden at WR through his tenure here. IMO, probably his best position in drafting:

Terrence Murphy

Gerg Jennings

James Jones

Jordy Nelson

Randall Cobb

Davante Adams

Ty Montgomery

Plus Janis and Davis, low round picks that have become pretty core special teamers. It's one position that I feel confident he can find a gem in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

Oline: I'm pretty good with Bak, Taylor, Linsely, Evans/and or Murphy.  i'll give Spriggs one more year too as I do think he has improved and could be still playing hurt.  Obviously need to draft a couple for depth for the battles in the trenches.  Sorry Bryan, thanks for the memories but for your own health time to let it go.

QB: yep need some more depth here, not a fan of what behind AR12.  perhaps a FA, and a draft pick

RB: Could be the one position that is set between Jones, Williams, Monty, and the Ripper.

WR: lets see what we've got in Allison, Clark, Janis, Davis, hell even Yancey.  Adams is clearly a #1 and I hate typing it but Cobb and Jordy are now #2's that get by on veteran savy than say raw skill, rather then a complementary 1b and 1c.  Will need some help here too, FA and draft.  Much like Bulaga If Jordy is done again in the name of having an after football career, thanks a million you will not be forgotten.

TE: I would love to see the Penn State kid, to go with Kendrick and Rodgers.

DLine: got quality with Lowery, Daniels, Clark and Adams.  Need to draft some more got to win in the trenchs.

LB: Matthews Perry and Martinez need help.  Sorry but Thomas, Ryan and Fackrell are not it.  Brooks can come back.

CBs/S: if you would have told me that Randall would be the best player at the year based on the first 8 games I've have said you were nuts.  Can keep Burnett, Jones (I'll give him a pass, I think he was trying to process too much) and King, maybe Dix (I've railed on the guy but i'm hoping its more scheme more than player?). 

Just a few thoughts, draft is what QB heavy this year at the top?  Not sure what there is to be had from a FA market, dam you Bennett.

Lots of needs, too many to take a flyer on a QB, Hundley and a FA vet will have to do. The only areas that do not need an upgrade or bolstering are RB and QB. 

When you factor in 2 or 3 OL, 2 WR, a TE, pass rusher, a DB and lb there is no room to miss on a pick.   Rodgers will be 35, hit the road Ted, scout em up.

Rodgers can make adequate offensive players (both line and receivers) better than they are.  While it would be nice to have a second stud WR who has breakaway speed or a true TE threat over the middle, I don't see it happening in the early rounds with so many needs on defense.  Pass rush is the priority because it can help cover up secondary weakness, even if we have to spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on CB given the bare shelf there.

And, if TT is doing the drafting (almost certain he will not "retire" or be fired) then it should be  make or break for him, because the record of futility in drafting defense coupled with his refusal to sign meaningful free agents has led to the sad sack defense we have.  When a defense sports six first rounders as starters. (Matthews, Perry, Randall, Clinton-Dix, Clark and King as starter), with five of them drafted in the past 6 years, you should not be as consistently bad on defense as we have been.  Capers plays a role, but I think TT's poor evaluation of defensive talent looms large.

PackerBackerDPM posted:

Oline: I'm pretty good with Bak, Taylor, Linsely, Evans/and or Murphy.  i'll give Spriggs one more year too as I do think he has improved and could be still playing hurt.  Obviously need to draft a couple for depth for the battles in the trenches.  Sorry Bryan, thanks for the memories but for your own health time to let it go.

QB: yep need some more depth here, not a fan of what behind AR12.  perhaps a FA, and a draft pick

RB: Could be the one position that is set between Jones, Williams, Monty, and the Ripper.

WR: lets see what we've got in Allison, Clark, Janis, Davis, hell even Yancey.  Adams is clearly a #1 and I hate typing it but Cobb and Jordy are now #2's that get by on veteran savy than say raw skill, rather then a complementary 1b and 1c.  Will need some help here too, FA and draft.  Much like Bulaga If Jordy is done again in the name of having an after football career, thanks a million you will not be forgotten.

TE: I would love to see the Penn State kid, to go with Kendrick and Rodgers.

DLine: got quality with Lowery, Daniels, Clark and Adams.  Need to draft some more got to win in the trenchs.

LB: Matthews Perry and Martinez need help.  Sorry but Thomas, Ryan and Fackrell are not it.  Brooks can come back.

CBs/S: if you would have told me that Randall would be the best player at the year based on the first 8 games I've have said you were nuts.  Can keep Burnett, Jones (I'll give him a pass, I think he was trying to process too much) and King, maybe Dix (I've railed on the guy but i'm hoping its more scheme more than player?). 

Just a few thoughts, draft is what QB heavy this year at the top?  Not sure what there is to be had from a FA market, dam you Bennett.

 

 

 

 

I like Hayden Hurst from South Carolina at TE.

pass rush lb, cb, ot, wr, te, dl - in that order.

Speed burner WR who can actually play.

So AR back to IR. They risked his health for the brass ring.

Ummmmm.

Yeah.....it's football.

excalibur posted:

So AR back to IR. They risked his health for the brass ring.

Yeah, I'm sure he objected.

packerboi posted:

Ted has been pretty golden at WR through his tenure here. IMO, probably his best position in drafting:

Terrence Murphy

Gerg Jennings

James Jones

Jordy Nelson

Randall Cobb

Davante Adams

Ty Montgomery

Plus Janis and Davis, low round picks that have become pretty core special teamers. It's one position that I feel confident he can find a gem in the 2nd/3rd rounds.

Hard to separate whether they are really all that talented from the fact that Favre and Rodgers were throwing passes to them. It takes a lot less to be open. 

I'd argue RB isn't so set. I likes Jones well enough, but Williams looks to be just a guy. Imagine pairing a true play maker with Jones as a change-of-pace guy.  

excalibur posted:

So AR back to IR. They risked his health for the brass ring.

One of the few things MM did right this season was handling the return of AR. Letting him play against Carolina then sitting him once the season objective was prematurely cancelled. Let's see if MM can string two consecutive right moves together by addressing the DC issue.

Herschel posted:

I'd argue RB isn't so set. I likes Jones well enough, but Williams looks to be just a guy. Imagine pairing a true play maker with Jones as a change-of-pace guy.  

I think most were very pleased with Jones and Williams and I think as a rookie Williams was far more than "just a guy". I think we are all set at that position given the other needs on the team. It will be interesting to see how the Monty story goes.

I'd argue for Williams as well. It looks like he can pick up blitzes, which is always an important part of playing RB in GB. And he doesn't lose yards.

Williams has this weird ability to not really look all that talented or explosive yet picks up a lot of yards.  Mostly just angry feet.

They really need a solid/good perimeter WR.  That used to be 87, 17 can do some things there.  But 87 and 18 are now slot guys and Adams can only do so much.  They need a guy that can pull coverage out of the middle of the field.  81 almost looked like he might be developing in that direction early in the season but kind of went AWOL.  And everyone knows he's not going to take anybody deep.  It's a lot to heap on an UDFA basketball player but I would really like to see what Clark can do in the next 2 weeks.

Here are a few prospects with speed and some size to keep an eye out for during the bowl season:

Antonio Callaway, FL

Parris Campbell, OSU

Christian Kirk, TA&M

Equanimeous Brown, ND

Courtland Sutton, SMU

Fandame posted:

I'd argue for Williams as well. It looks like he can pick up blitzes, which is always an important part of playing RB in GB. And he doesn't lose yards.

He can also catch and run. A true receiving threat RB is something AR could really exploit.

Considering that we are all sucking lemons over missing the post season this has been a pretty interesting thread!  I am curious about the number of go offense first thoughts for next year.  I don't know where I fall on this issue as Pass rusher and Cornerback also appear as large needs.  

 So I guess going forward I am assuming Capers will retire and a new DC will be there who will get more out of the talent by changing the scheme.  Still will take more talent to win so assume either the 1st or 2nd round will be a defensive guy.  A long look at the current prospects lists seems like the Iowa CB or the Oklahoma OLB would fall into the right range and I am not sure.  I saw Jackson play once this year and was not disappointed (but small sample size) I saw Okoronko also only once and he was good not dominating.  Many of my friends like both of these players but I don't have enough knowledge about these guys to form an opinion!  How about you guys??   

  Also should GB wait till rnd 2 to shop in these aisles I liked Isiah Oliver from Colorado/ Harold Landy (BC) - Malik Jefferson from Texas!