Posted on another thread but if Bradley Chubb slips down (saw him projected 12th on one recent board) he would be great here.
"In 12 games in 2017, Chubb recorded 72 tackles, 23 tackles for loss and 10 sacks and a forced fumble on the season. On Monday it was announced that Chubb was named the 2017 Bronko Nagurski Trophy Award winner."
DH13 posted:There was no reason not to. Nobody could have predicted the way the MB situation unfolded. Cook also missed 6 games with injury whereas MB had virtually no injury history. It blew up like our QB's collarbone, unexpectedly.
Agree no one could have predicted that Bennett would do exactly what he did this season.
Disagree that Bennett was not a know jackarse before he signed with Green Bay.
Punching out your teammate to the point of landing a suspension and calling your coaches and teammates a bunch of biatches as he did during his time in Chicago might possibly be overlooked, but his volatility/unpredictability was also on full display in Dallas and in his comment about how much he "hated" Jason Witten should have made it clear to anyone paying attention that Bennett had some personality "issues" long before he signed with Green Bay.
Sometimes character risks turn out better than anyone could possibly have expected and the GM get the praise as was the case with Thompson's signing of Charles Woodson. Sometimes character risks blow up in the GM's face as was the case with Bennett this year.
MM also seemed quite initially happy with the MB acquisition. I'd still love to know how much say the coaching staff has in personnel. TT gets all the grief, but I'm sure that MM has a lot of input.
WolfPack posted:Posted on another thread but if Bradley Chubb slips down (saw him projected 12th on one recent board) he would be great here.
"In 12 games in 2017, Chubb recorded 72 tackles, 23 tackles for loss and 10 sacks and a forced fumble on the season. On Monday it was announced that Chubb was named the 2017 Bronko Nagurski Trophy Award winner."
With numbers like that I have to believe he doesn't make it out of the top 10, especially if he works out well at the combine.
I agree, Chubb looks like a top ten lock.
Deep draft though, I can see Ted trading down with the first and up with the third.
BC / Iowa on right now:
BC - Landry, one of top DE / Edge rushers
Iowa - Jackson - Top 2 CBs
Jewell- LBer, high production but he sees to be all over the place in draft mocks
Landry not playing, injured
I suspect a lot of guys are "injured" this time of year if there is a chance they could go in the first two rounds.
I don't blame them one bit.
Pack-Man posted:heyward posted:That wasn't the general feeling here at the time.
We all thought the Packers had gotten an upgrade with Martellus Bennett.
And with Lance Kendricks also. Guy has been a non factor.
Oh, he's been a factor for sure. Drop that many passes, you're a factor.
Brainwashed Boris posted:I don't believe TT has done as bad a job as some of you believe.
Proper coaching will help that talent shine through.
Did Capers, Whit, Perry, Trgo, etc. forget how to coach after 2010? They won a Super Bowl with a MASH unit. Maybe their message has grown stale, but we've really not seen enough "talent" to assume a different coordinator and crew could do a whole lot better.
One guy who might make a huge difference is Roquan Smith, though TT hasn't shown any inclination to take an ILB who can actually run. Smith would be a great pairing if they want to keep Blake Martinez in the lineup as Smith can drop and cover those short crossing routes that are so problematic.
I think Trgo has done a pretty good job on the DL. I like Perry too.
I'm not really down on the position coaches but Dom's message has grown beyond stale.
Players do not want to play for him anymore. It shows on the field. We need new defensive tape. I've been saying it since 2014 & it probably should've happened after that NFC championship game.
However these coaches never feel any heat. None of them. That's a huge issue at 1265.
Agreed Boris. Capers was the right guy when he was hired in 2009. But even back in those days, we talked about his past history where he seemed to start strong as a coordinator, then after a few years would flame out. It happened in Carolina and Jacksonville, and it happened again here.
Maybe the thing that has ticked me off most is how the defense reacted the 2 times that Rodgers has been hurt the last 5 seasons. In that 2013 game where Rodgers got hurt, they folded and made Josh McCown of the Bears look like a franchise QB. This year, they folded even worse. Capers needed to get those guys to play to the max of their abilities when Rodgers was out and instead, they wilted and barely competed.
I think it's time the defense heard a new voice. Let's hope we can find someone that can fire that D up better than Capers did for 3/4 of the season.
No one can tell me that this team's defense is so devoid of talent that coaching doesn't matter. There is more talent here than meets the eye. We have more parts in place than many other teams who are going to the playoffs. The parts in GB are greater than the whole, and that to me screams "Defensive coordinator problem!"
Dick LeBeau was a pretty bitchin' DC at one point too. No coach/coordinator is good for life. Hell, there was a span of a couple years Pats fans wanted Billy Boy gone. But when you have Brady (or Aaron) as captain of your ship, it buys you a lot better chance at success.
Capers is about 4 years past his sell-by date.
FLPACKER posted:That is why I've been high on Gesicki & Fumagalli, they are projected as 3-4 round picks
Good piece on Fumagalli.
One scout told Bleacher Report that Fumagalli compares favorably to Patriots Pro Bowler Rob Gronkowski; another said he's more like Jordan Reed or Travis Kelce. While most scouts agree the 6'6", 248-pound Fumagalli needs to gain 15-20 pounds to grow into the position in the NFL, he's being compared to three of the league's best tight ends over the last decade.
I love Fum, but he drops to many passes.
and the hand size thing
Bobby Dillon had one eye!
Another Gronk, Kelce or Reed? Top 5 with a bullet.
I wonder how much a loss in Detroit will improve our draft position?
Potentially as high as 11th
SteveLuke posted:DH13 posted:There was no reason not to. Nobody could have predicted the way the MB situation unfolded. Cook also missed 6 games with injury whereas MB had virtually no injury history. It blew up like our QB's collarbone, unexpectedly.
Agree no one could have predicted that Bennett would do exactly what he did this season.
Disagree that Bennett was not a know jackarse before he signed...
You'll have to show me where i said he wasnt.
Timmy! posted:Back around the time when Jordy was drafted, Green Bay seemed to be doing very well finding WRs. Some guys have been real finds since, and some... just didn't develop, to put it as kindly as possible. Need to get back on track.
The last few years it has been primarily CBs and some Ss, especially guys that are added as UDFAs. This year particularly, they were looking at guys that could play the hybrid DB/LB role. I agree Randall and Rollins can swing on how their drafts are ultimately judged. At this point, I'd settle for 1 of them to finally emerge
I think they have done well with DL the last 2 years. Clark looks like a winner. I'll argue a bit with SteveLuke over Lowry; I think he's rock solid and has far exceeded his value. Who knows what we have with Adams? Can't say he's a bust, but he has been poor ROI thus far.With that said, they need to get much better scouting OL and LBs, We need help at every position. Speaking of arguing with SL, I'll say Linsley is a JAG. Poor pass protection and had that limp-wristed snap going on this year. Plus depth behind him is virtually nil.
No need to mention the hot mess that exists at LB, both inside and out. As they have been for how many years now? We also have the very real prospect with life without CM3 looming.RB is still in turmoil. I think the Packers have made some decent picks, but nobody can stay healthy long enough to establish themselves. Green Bay has very little money invested at RB, and it mostly shows. And I have no idea what the team is doing with Ripper; he was getting plenty of snaps at FB and RB for a while last year (and doing relatively well excepting a particular fumble...), and this year it seems we see him for a few snaps about every 3 games. For reasons unknown, MM and/or Bennett aren't utilizing a FB this season.
I think the talent is fine, across the board. What this team needs is better coaches. Coordinators that can maximize the talent available to them.
Th
Green Bay.. Where potential defensive players are drafted. Only to die.
Thanks Dom
The fact is, there is a lot of talent on the D side of the ball. It is simply being miscast, misused and they have no idea what they are supposed to be doing.
Thanks Dom
Anyone with a military background knows the KISS principle. I believe this is what the Packers need to do on defense.
Oh,I forgot.
F..k Dom
Fandame posted:No one can tell me that this team's defense is so devoid of talent that coaching doesn't matter. There is more talent here than meets the eye. We have more parts in place than many other teams who are going to the playoffs. The parts in GB are greater than the whole, and that to me screams "Defensive coordinator problem!"
I wish I could like this a thousand times!
Whoever the new DC ends up being, I hope he brings in some assistants with fire. I miss the intensity of guys like Kevin Greene.
It. Is. Time.
I wonder what other NFL personell folks think of GB's talent ? Not that it matters.
Witt has fire and a no nonsense style of coaching. But as a cb coach I am not sure if he is a good coach or if Dom is messing things up.
Whitt did a pretty good job of developing a couple of undrafted players, Tramon Williams and Sam Shields. Don't see him as a problem.
As an outsider, Witt seems to talk the talk and he might just be a great coach for developing udfa’s. I wonder if he would make a good DC? Or maybe just stick to coaching his current position? The D-line coach seems ok too.
My biggest complaint about Dom is the scheme he uses in games.
Meaning pretty much everything.
you know, I am a "walk a mile in my shoes" type of guy.
But, Dom has to go. I feel like I have walked 50 miles in his shoes and nothing changes..
i know Dom personally, I talk with him on the phone once or twice a month, a better man does not exist.
but, it is time for a change.
GrainBelt66 posted:Timmy! posted:Back around the time when Jordy was drafted, Green Bay seemed to be doing very well finding WRs. Some guys have been real finds since, and some... just didn't develop, to put it as kindly as possible. Need to get back on track.
The last few years it has been primarily CBs and some Ss, especially guys that are added as UDFAs. This year particularly, they were looking at guys that could play the hybrid DB/LB role. I agree Randall and Rollins can swing on how their drafts are ultimately judged. At this point, I'd settle for 1 of them to finally emerge
I think they have done well with DL the last 2 years. Clark looks like a winner. I'll argue a bit with SteveLuke over Lowry; I think he's rock solid and has far exceeded his value. Who knows what we have with Adams? Can't say he's a bust, but he has been poor ROI thus far.With that said, they need to get much better scouting OL and LBs, We need help at every position. Speaking of arguing with SL, I'll say Linsley is a JAG. Poor pass protection and had that limp-wristed snap going on this year. Plus depth behind him is virtually nil.
No need to mention the hot mess that exists at LB, both inside and out. As they have been for how many years now? We also have the very real prospect with life without CM3 looming.RB is still in turmoil. I think the Packers have made some decent picks, but nobody can stay healthy long enough to establish themselves. Green Bay has very little money invested at RB, and it mostly shows. And I have no idea what the team is doing with Ripper; he was getting plenty of snaps at FB and RB for a while last year (and doing relatively well excepting a particular fumble...), and this year it seems we see him for a few snaps about every 3 games. For reasons unknown, MM and/or Bennett aren't utilizing a FB this season.
I think the talent is fine, across the board. What this team needs is better coaches. Coordinators that can maximize the talent available to them.
Th
I think you're over-valuing guys a lot. I'm mostly with Timmy. Clark looks good. Lowry is a solid rotational guy, same with Martinez. On a good-to-great defense they're complementary players.
Linsley is a JAG. I preferred Tretter, though his durability was a big issue. Still, he seems to have played well in Cleveland, one of the few bright spots for that offense. Linsley's shotgun snaps have a tendency to go Niekro and he's not a great pass blocker, nor is he mobile on the second level or pulling.
TT hasn't hit very well the last few years and in draft-and-develop that's a major issue. Let's take a look.
Third-year guys: Randall is a starter, maybe by default, and the rest are situational guys, at best, right now. Mongomery and Ripkowski have their niche. One mediocre defensive starter.
2014: Adams has developed. let's hope his concussions aren't an issue. Clinton-Dix regressed, Linsley is a marginal starter, Janis can play special teams and DikPlod is DikPlod. One mediocre defensive starter. That's not good enough.
2013: This could have been the year, but Datone was an utter flame out. Lacy had a nice run for a few years, Bakhtiari has been a godsend, Tretter and Hyde had their issues but are starting elsewhere. No defensive starter.
2012: Nick Perry, when healthy, can be good. Mike Daniels also. Casey Hayward was injured a lot and lacks speed but is doing well in San Diego now. Still, two quality defensive starters. May be TT's best defensive draft year.
2011: Randall Cobb is a solid slot guy and then stopgap Devon House. One defensive starter and only by default.
Pakrz posted:Whoever the new DC ends up being, I hope he brings in some assistants with fire. I miss the intensity of guys like Kevin Greene.
It. Is. Time.
My BLI thinks the Packers should go after Gruden as HC. Not sure how I feel about that but BLI is no dummy fan boy either. He's also a Vikings fan so he could just be messin' with me. Bastard. It would be interesting.
Herschel posted:GrainBelt66 posted:Timmy! posted:Back around the time when Jordy was drafted, Green Bay seemed to be doing very well finding WRs. Some guys have been real finds since, and some... just didn't develop, to put it as kindly as possible. Need to get back on track.
The last few years it has been primarily CBs and some Ss, especially guys that are added as UDFAs. This year particularly, they were looking at guys that could play the hybrid DB/LB role. I agree Randall and Rollins can swing on how their drafts are ultimately judged. At this point, I'd settle for 1 of them to finally emerge
I think they have done well with DL the last 2 years. Clark looks like a winner. I'll argue a bit with SteveLuke over Lowry; I think he's rock solid and has far exceeded his value. Who knows what we have with Adams? Can't say he's a bust, but he has been poor ROI thus far.With that said, they need to get much better scouting OL and LBs, We need help at every position. Speaking of arguing with SL, I'll say Linsley is a JAG. Poor pass protection and had that limp-wristed snap going on this year. Plus depth behind him is virtually nil.
No need to mention the hot mess that exists at LB, both inside and out. As they have been for how many years now? We also have the very real prospect with life without CM3 looming.RB is still in turmoil. I think the Packers have made some decent picks, but nobody can stay healthy long enough to establish themselves. Green Bay has very little money invested at RB, and it mostly shows. And I have no idea what the team is doing with Ripper; he was getting plenty of snaps at FB and RB for a while last year (and doing relatively well excepting a particular fumble...), and this year it seems we see him for a few snaps about every 3 games. For reasons unknown, MM and/or Bennett aren't utilizing a FB this season.
I think the talent is fine, across the board. What this team needs is better coaches. Coordinators that can maximize the talent available to them.
Th
I think you're over-valuing guys a lot. I'm mostly with Timmy. Clark looks good. Lowry is a solid rotational guy, same with Martinez. On a good-to-great defense they're complementary players.
Linsley is a JAG. I preferred Tretter, though his durability was a big issue. Still, he seems to have played well in Cleveland, one of the few bright spots for that offense. Linsley's shotgun snaps have a tendency to go Niekro and he's not a great pass blocker, nor is he mobile on the second level or pulling.
TT hasn't hit very well the last few years and in draft-and-develop that's a major issue. Let's take a look.
Third-year guys: Randall is a starter, maybe by default, and the rest are situational guys, at best, right now. Mongomery and Ripkowski have their niche. One mediocre defensive starter.
2014: Adams has developed. let's hope his concussions aren't an issue. Clinton-Dix regressed, Linsley is a marginal starter, Janis can play special teams and DikPlod is DikPlod. One mediocre defensive starter. That's not good enough.
2013: This could have been the year, but Datone was an utter flame out. Lacy had a nice run for a few years, Bakhtiari has been a godsend, Tretter and Hyde had their issues but are starting elsewhere. No defensive starter.
2012: Nick Perry, when healthy, can be good. Mike Daniels also. Casey Hayward was injured a lot and lacks speed but is doing well in San Diego now. Still, two quality defensive starters. May be TT's best defensive draft year.
2011: Randall Cobb is a solid slot guy and then stopgap Devon House. One defensive starter and only by default.
They obviously need a strategic infusion. I don't think all these guys are bit players. I think a sprinkling of blue chip talent and a ****ing coach who can put it together gets this team into at least the top half of the league. I'll take that for starters.
Honestly, I don't know how we can even judge development at this point due to the convoluted scheme. Guys like Josh Jones are in serious jeopardy of being junked before they can get going.
It should be noted that Randall really responded after his "event". We've never seen that before. Maybe less country club, more discipline.
If Gruden took over we would have a roster of great players. Then again if he took over anywhere he would have a roster of great players.
