Although it has been said 100 times- it is important to remember Coaching matters!! When organizations are in disarray they fire the boss not the workers, and when production slips we fire the formerly productive boss and bring in a new message. I spent a lifetime watching hard-chargers take over the the loser platoon and make it number one to not know what can happen. Doesn't always work but very often It does and a mediocrity slope cannot be readily changed without new direction!
Henry posted:Pakrz posted:Whoever the new DC ends up being, I hope he brings in some assistants with fire. I miss the intensity of guys like Kevin Greene.
It. Is. Time.
My BLI thinks the Packers should go after Gruden as HC. Not sure how I feel about that but BLI is no dummy fan boy either. He's also a Vikings fan so he could just be messin' with me. Bastard. It would be interesting.
Interesting to say the least. The guy definitely has the fire and the offensive background. He also had a ridiculous defense in Tampa but the roster was littered with studs. There is the GB connection as well, so there's that.
Frankly, without Aaron Rodgers, there really isn't many aspects of this team to get excited about. So which part of the organization makes up the loser platoon?
-General Manager?
-Head Coach?
-Coordinator?
-Position Coaches?
-All of the above?
I think at a minimum Capers and Whitt should be out...for sure. Not really how much further I would go than that. If I'm Murphy, Thompson would also be on the hot seat. No question things need to be run a bit differently higher up. There has been some talk that Thompson relies more on position coaches rather than the scouts during the draft, and that needs to be changed if true. And the bottom of the roster...there is just no way the Packers can do a worse job handling that than they have the last couple of seasons. The way the cornerback position was handled during the off-season and through the season is nothing short of a complete joke. With a front office that includes Ted Thompson, Eliot Wolf, Brian Gutekunst and Alonzo Highsmith, there is no way they should get to game #14 and be left with Randall, Hawkins and not much else (well, Lenzy Pipkins did get 4 defensive snaps in that game). Needless to say, the "53 man roster plus practice squad" becoming the "43 man roster with practice squad A and practice squad B" by the end of the season approach has to go!
Gruden ain't ever coming out of that booth.
Christ he gets paid 1/2 a million a year to sit up there & say how 'great' everyone is & has ZERO pressure on him.
Why would he give that up?
A major problem is GB is that it's ran like a good old boy's country club. The board doesn't seem to place pressure on Murphy. Murphy doesn't put any pressure on TT. TT doesn't put any pressure on MM, etc.
Status quo is the drumbeat in Green Bay.
RE: intensity.
Read a quote about Moss getting on players during a game in 2010 asking who was going to step up, who was going to make a play. We don't see much from him with his elevated title(s) and it appears from the outside that he offers little, but maybe Dom is keeping him down?
Whatever the answer with the coaching, the players need to show some intensity and urgency, and that seemed to be lacking more this year on the defense than in the past.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Gruden ain't ever coming out of that booth.
Christ he gets paid 1/2 a million a year to sit up there & say how 'great' everyone is & has ZERO pressure on him.
Why would he give that up?
Agreed. Gruden will never leave that cushy broadcasting job. BTW, ESPN does not pay Gruden 1/2 million a year. They pay him 6 1/2 million per year.
Deuce Gruden for strength and conditioning coach?
bvan posted:Deuce Gruden for strength and conditioning coach?
And stretching
A guy I wonder about is TJ Edwards. He seems to have a knack for big plays but would he complement Martinez or be redundant? I don't think Edwards has great speed.
PackerJoe posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:Gruden ain't ever coming out of that booth.
Christ he gets paid 1/2 a million a year to sit up there & say how 'great' everyone is & has ZERO pressure on him.
Why would he give that up?
Agreed. Gruden will never leave that cushy broadcasting job. BTW, ESPN does not pay Gruden 1/2 million a year. They pay him 6 1/2 million per year.
6.5? Jesus fukk.
Pakrz posted:A major problem is GB is that it's ran like a good old boy's country club. The board doesn't seem to place pressure on Murphy. Murphy doesn't put any pressure on TT. TT doesn't put any pressure on MM, etc.
Status quo is the drumbeat in Green Bay.
That might be true to a certain extent but keep something in mind. Back in the dark days of this franchise the board was too involved with the inner dealings of the day to day running of the team and it caused complete chaos. When they decided to let football people run the football operations that when this franchise turned around. I think both Wolf and Harlen both told the board that they needed to run things.
But, that being said how do we know as a bunch of internet noobs like all of us know that the board isn't putting that pressure on and it isn't rolling down hill? I bet there is a ton of pressure in that back office right now.
Herschel posted:A guy I wonder about is TJ Edwards. He seems to have a knack for big plays but would he complement Martinez or be redundant? I don't think Edwards has great speed.
I don't think it is official yet but from what I have read it sounds like Edwards got his grade back from the NFL and it said to stay in school.
The Heckler posted:Herschel posted:A guy I wonder about is TJ Edwards. He seems to have a knack for big plays but would he complement Martinez or be redundant? I don't think Edwards has great speed.
I don't think it is official yet but from what I have read it sounds like Edwards got his grade back from the NFL and it said to stay in school.
That's kind of what I was thinking, but some of the CBS guys were hyping him up as a possible end-of-round-1 guy, which I don't see.
Pakrz posted:A major problem is GB is that it's ran like a good old boy's country club. The board doesn't seem to place pressure on Murphy. Murphy doesn't put any pressure on TT. TT doesn't put any pressure on MM, etc.
Status quo is the drumbeat in Green Bay.
T.J. Edwards seems to have a clue when it comes to pass coverage. That makes him a complete non-fit for the Packer's defense.
nah, he's just had better coaching
Pikes Peak posted:I wonder what other NFL personell folks think of GB's talent ? Not that it matters.
How many ex-Packers wind up on other teams?
Brainwashed Boris posted:Potentially as high as 11th
This is what I am rooting for on Sunday
A high impact Def stud will be available there. Or the possibility to move into top 10
I'm rooting for the Lions to light us up so even MM realizes Capers is a loser.
Fedya posted:Pikes Peak posted:I wonder what other NFL personell folks think of GB's talent ? Not that it matters.
How many ex-Packers wind up on other teams?
Just in the past few years and off the top of my head...
Hyde, Sitton, Cook, Hayward, Tretter, Lang, Peppers... I'm sure there's more. What's your point?
Don't forget Khyri Thornton!
The Heckler posted:That might be true to a certain extent but keep something in mind. Back in the dark days of this franchise the board was too involved with the inner dealings of the day to day running of the team and it caused complete chaos. When they decided to let football people run the football operations that when this franchise turned around. I think both Wolf and Harlen both told the board that they needed to run things.
But, that being said how do we know as a bunch of internet noobs like all of us know that the board isn't putting that pressure on and it isn't rolling down hill? I bet there is a ton of pressure in that back office right now.
I don't think there's any reason for the Board to become overly involved with team management/coaching staff decisions, but I think they have many incentives to put Murphy's feet to the fire.
BK posted this in another thread:
The team's reserve fund took another market hit last year, falling to $275 million from $280 million in 2014-15 and $284 million the year before that.
The Packers (and other teams across the league) have a problem with the rate of player salaries rising faster than the rate of revenues, and that's one reason things like the success of the Titletown District, the Pro Shop, Atrium, and so forth are so critical.
It's much harder to attract visitors, fans, or events in a losing atmosphere, so keeping the Packers competitive is just as critical to the long-term success of the team. It really isn't enough just to make the playoffs; we need these games at home to maximize revenue potential.
Everyone knows we can't win a Superb Owl every year, and playoff losses are going to happen, but how they happens are the indicators of problems.
MM has had opportunities to correct these, and the results have been mixed, at best.
So, yeah, I can see the Board putting pressure on Murphy ("do it, or else...").
JMO, others may vary.
Hope you're right Timmy. I know my brother and his friends all think it's time for MM and Capers to go.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Gruden ain't ever coming out of that booth.
Christ he gets paid 1/2 a million a year to sit up there & say how 'great' everyone is & has ZERO pressure on him.
Why would he give that up?
I wouldn't say he ain't ever going to come out of the booth, but it sure as hell would never be in Green Bay. Tampa, maybe, Miami, maybe, Dallas big maybe. Any of those teams would be stupid enough to give him $10,000,000. But the cold and snow of Green Bay, never.
YATittle posted:Hope you're right Timmy. I know my brother and his friends all think it's time for MM and Capers to go.
Well. I'll top your brother & his friends with my barber & my dentist who think they both should stay.
Your barber and dentist are two different people?
PackerJoe posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:Gruden ain't ever coming out of that booth.
Christ he gets paid 1/2 a million a year to sit up there & say how 'great' everyone is & has ZERO pressure on him.
Why would he give that up?
Agreed. Gruden will never leave that cushy broadcasting job. BTW, ESPN does not pay Gruden 1/2 million a year. They pay him 6 1/2 million per year.
I think he has another run in him. I also think he may feel he needs to solidify his coaching status by achieving success with another team since he somewhat rode the coattails of what was built by Dungy.
He also seems board.
It seemed it was setting up nicely for a return to Tampa but for some reason they are bringing Koetter back.
chickenboy posted:He also seems board.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Your barber and dentist are two different people?
Never said they were. Which explains why I get novocaine before haircuts.
Fedya posted:Pikes Peak posted:I wonder what other NFL personell folks think of GB's talent ? Not that it matters.
How many ex-Packers wind up on other teams?
Ask the vikings.
We are up to 13th in draft order. Raiders win and we can be 12th.
We need Raiders, Bengals & Dolphins to all WIN today
Appears Packers will have 11 or 12 picks: Their own 7, the maximum allowed 4 compensatory picks (an extra 3rd and 3 extra 5ths), and possibly a 7th from the Bills. Here's the projection of those 4 compensatory picks: https://overthecap.com/draft/
Brainwashed Boris posted:We need Raiders, Bengals & Dolphins to all WIN today
Do we lose the tiebreaker with all these teams?
I think..... They are locked at 13 unless MIA wins, then they move to 12th. Won/Loss record ties are broken by SOS, in reverse. MIA beating BUF puts their SOS > Packers. Even if OAK wins, their SOS will not pass GBPs.
Packers finish 14th, tied with Washington, same SOS may have to do a coin flip.
Yeah, Skins & Pack in tie. Not sure if that's a coin flip or not because they're in same conference.
Funny thing - Had the Pack lost those 2 OT games vs. Tampa & Cleveland - they'd be drafting 5th or 6th.
EDIT: https://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/
Packers draft 14th. It's set
Skins are 5-7 in NFC so are Packers.
Skins are 1-5 in their division. Pack is 2-4 (2 wins over Bears 
)
So either take the win(s) over the Bears or draft 13th.
I'll take the wins. Thanks
