Please Cheezus send us an impact player at #14 regardless of position
It's OK to make a mistake early, as long as Gutekunst makes up for it later (Brohm/Flynn). My ideal draft has him hitting on 4-6 of the twelve picks and that would be a substantial improvement over some pretty lackluster drafts of late.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Like TT always said, "Stay true to your board."...and that is what the draft is all about.
Ted also mantra'd, "Only tell lies when waterboarded."
Hey Ted! We're all going waterboarding on Guantanamo Bay, gonna be a blast!
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Including his tape... That's first round stuff right there.
No way he falls out of first unless he does something stupid before end of April
Im kinda digging the fact they may pick Vander Esch
Were the draft to fall that way I would be fine with it. That's probably the top-15 if you swap Ridley for Vea.
In maybe a weird trivia bit: John Michels went to medical school after retiring and became a pain management physician. He's only two years older than Al Harris, who is 43 but almost seemed different generations of players.
With that specialty, Michels is the go-to doctor for pro athletes.
YooperPackfan posted:Im kinda digging the fact they may pick Vander Esch
Just took a look at him. Yeah, he looks really good.
Rashaan Evans is an interesting guy to watch also at 14. Martinez is a thumper who has shown ability to be a 3-down backer, I think he's ascending and it would be nice to pair him with a faster, more aggressive WLB like Smith or Evans. If Roquan is gone, I think Evans would be the best fit. To me Evans has that Bobby Wagner-esque violent style that is fast and physical.
phaedrus posted:YooperPackfan posted:Im kinda digging the fact they may pick Vander Esch
Just took a look at him. Yeah, he looks really good.
He does look good, but he has some warts as well. Questions about his instincts and decision making. This is a really good analysis:
Grave Digger posted:Rashaan Evans is an interesting guy to watch also at 14. Martinez is a thumper who has shown ability to be a 3-down backer, I think he's ascending and it would be nice to pair him with a faster, more aggressive WLB like Smith or Evans. If Roquan is gone, I think Evans would be the best fit. To me Evans has that Bobby Wagner-esque violent style that is fast and physical.
Agree. Really like Rashaan Evans. Good football player. Still think Martinez is weaker in coverage. Not Jake Ryan bad though 
AJ Hawk is who comes to mind reading that analysis.
Roqan (last name escapes me)
Edmunds
Vander Esch
Evans
Four ILB's slotted to be first round draft picks. When is the last time that happened?
I have a bias toward ILB that I think is the result of how weak the team has been at that position and in the short and medium middle of the field. I want it to go from a sieve to having it hurt for teams to try to exploit it.
Watching that tape analysis makes me think of AJ Hawk until the last game. The question is if the Oregon game is his best because he was better prepared with the extra time to study film, or if he is settling into the scheme and his role as a starter? I'd almost lean toward the former.
Packdog posted:He does look good, but he has some warts as well. Questions about his instincts and decision making. This is a really good analysis:
Thanks for sharing that. I'm curious where the Urlacher comparison came from because I don't see that (other than the size). I think Bernardrick McKinney is a better comparison right now. Both seem a little hesitant to attack, but once they make the decision to attack they do it hard and fast. If LVE is there at 45 it's a great pick, I'm not sure it's great at 14.
Agree, GD. VanderEsch doesn't jump out. Like you, I'd like him a lot better in R2 than at 14. Of course, drafting AJH at 5 makes me wary...
phaedrus posted:Roqan (last name escapes me)
Edmunds
Vander Esch
Evans
Four ILB's slotted to be first round draft picks. When is the last time that happened?
I have a bias toward ILB that I think is the result of how weak the team has been at that position and in the short and medium middle of the field. I want it to go from a sieve to having it hurt for teams to try to exploit it.
That's provided they're actually slotted inside at the next level. Edmunds and Vander Esch have prototypical skills/builds for 3-4 OLBs and, to be quite honest, I think Evans would be a pretty good one also, though he's a bit light.
I also don't get the Vander Esch/Urlacher comps. Urlacher had safety drop skills where Vander Esch appears better suited to pass rush than deep middle dropping, more like Karlos Dansby.
A wise man mentioned to me how #14 overall is "no man's land"
I feel like a trade is coming. Either down for more picks at same or increased value or possibly UP to grab one of the top studs like Edmunds or Derwin Smith.
Feeling Josh Jackson would be an ok pic. A 6-2 corner back that has long arms and can play man to man. He may not have sub 4.5 speed but the tape says he plays fast enough. The defense could do a lot worse.
michiganjoe posted:It's OK to make a mistake early, as long as Gutekunst makes up for it later (Brohm/Flynn). My ideal draft has him hitting on 4-6 of the twelve picks and that would be a substantial improvement over some pretty lackluster drafts of late.
I agree on that ratio. What I really am interested in seeing is how the defensive guys that have been drafted the last few years look with a fresh set of coaches and hopefully decent health. The first four picks last year were defense and three of them were hurt all year (King, M. Adams, and Biegel) and the fourth looked great the first few games and then seemed to regress (Josh Jones). The 2016 picks on defense range from potentially great (Kenny Clark) to at least serviceable (Martinez, Lowry, Fackrell) - but maybe they make a jump too. The 2015 class still has Rollins and Ryan around. Dix is still only 25 as well.
That's 11 guys 25 years old or younger that get a fresh start. It could be there's a lot more talent there than has been shown because of stale schemes and miscasting- maybe there's another Casey Hayward hidden there.
Brainwashed Boris posted:A wise man mentioned to me how #14 overall is "no man's land"
I feel like a trade is coming. Either down for more picks at same or increased value or possibly UP to grab one of the top studs like Edmunds or Derwin Smith.
I agree. The elite talents go off the board early and there are usually only 4-5 of those every draft (Saquon Barkley, Fitzpatrick, Roquon Smith this year). What determines where no-man's land starts every year is how many QBs get picked well above their talent level. If 5 QBs go off the board before the Packers pick, getting the 9th best player at any other position may not be no-man's land.
Floridarob posted:Feeling Josh Jackson would be an ok pic. A 6-2 corner back that has long arms and can play man to man. He may not have sub 4.5 speed but the tape says he plays fast enough. The defense could do a lot worse.
If King's shoulder is OK, that could make two starting corners who can play physical, jam the receiver at the line. That would be great. I am guessing Pettine is an advocate of such a scheme.
I don't think ILB is an important enough position anymore to draft a non elite talent at #14. More and more teams are going to the ILB/S hybrid to counter the increasingly loaded passing games. Martinez is your thumper and JJ is probably your hybrid. Not to say a chase/rush ILB can't have an impact but you're sacrificing the chance to find impact at EDGE or DB (more toward pass defense) to go in that direction.
Floridarob posted:Feeling Josh Jackson would be an ok pic. A 6-2 corner back that has long arms and can play man to man. He may not have sub 4.5 speed but the tape says he plays fast enough. The defense could do a lot worse.
I think a lot of coverage has to do with instincts and preparation as much as pure speed. Richard Sherman can get away with having 4.5+ speed because he has great instincts, vision, and he doesn't waste steps or get a step behind. He knows where he's going before the snap. If Jackson has the instincts and the smarts then he should be the pick (depending on who is available).
Browns GM John Dorsey & Giants GM Dave Gettleman were talking together & Colts GM Chris Ballard saw it & tweeted a pic of them to promote trade talks. It was all a joke & they all laughed uproariously.
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That's why TT never got to hang with the 'cool' GM's.
Were they all wearing powdered wigs in this scenario?
God I hope so. Then they had their valets serve high tea.
Brainwashed Boris posted:A wise man mentioned to me how #14 overall is "no man's land"
I feel like a trade is coming. Either down for more picks at same or increased value or possibly UP to grab one of the top studs like Edmunds or Derwin Smith.
I don't like the idea of trading up, because I don't know who is worth trading up for outside of Minka and Chubb (maybe Edmunds?), and I don't think we have the ammo to make those worthwhile. I like the idea of trading down though, as I think equivalent players can be had lower, what I would like to see is trading down in the first to get another teams later first, second, etc. Throw in some of our later volume picks to get the center of gravity around later in the first and heavier in the second and third.
Consensus boards are leaning towards Landry and Davenport, but to be honest I am not high on either player, especially at 14.
Dream scenario would be trading down with Buffalo, 14th, both 6's and a 7 for 22, and the two seconds (maybe swap in the third, I'm no rocket surgeon)
Long story short, I really like the second round, would like to turn our volume into more heat in the second.
Brainwashed Boris posted:#14 overall is "no man's land"
Here's one way to look at it. The following players are almost guaranteed to be gone before #14 (not to mention, there will be a team that does something stupid)
- Sam Darnold - QB
- Bradley Chubb - Edge
- Josh Allen - QB
- Josh Rosen - QB
- Quenton Nelson - OL
- Saquan Barkley - RB
- Minkah Fitzpatrick - S
- **Baker Mayfield - QB(QB desperate team will jump up)
5 players from the list below will be available to the Pack :
- Derwin James - S
- Roquon Smith - LB
- Tremaine Edmunds - LB
- Marcus Davenport - Edge
- Denzel Ward - CB
- Mike McGlinchey -OT
- Harold Landry - Edge
- Josh Jackson - CB
- Vita Vea - DT
- Calvin Ridley - WR
Maybe someone else ???
Seems like they have a very good chance to get a good player at #14
Floridarob posted:Feeling Josh Jackson would be an ok pic. A 6-2 corner back that has long arms and can play man to man. He may not have sub 4.5 speed but the tape says he plays fast enough. The defense could do a lot worse.
Josh Jackson is not 6'2", he barely topped 6' and his arms are the same length as 5'10" Jaire Alexander.
Packdog posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:#14 overall is "no man's land"
5 players from the list below will be available to the Pack :
- Derwin James - S
- Roquon Smith - LB
- Tremaine Edmunds - LB
- Marcus Davenport - Edge
- Denzel Ward - CB
- Mike McGlinchey -OT
- Harold Landry - Edge
- Josh Jackson - CB
- Vita Vea - DT
- Calvin Ridley - WR
Maybe someone else ???
Seems like they have a very good chance to get a good player at #14
I'd add Leighton Vander Esch, Rashaan Evans and maybe Da'Ron Payne to that list.
I don't think Ridley nor McGlinchy are good enough @ 14.
Agreed.
But are they Gute enough?
Just draft somebody who can be a real sloberknocker a few times during a game.
Add whoever you want to the list (and I agree on Ridley but not McGlinchey)but the point is.....they are going to be selecting from a very talented list of players at 14.