Abstract The NFL Combine measures a variety of physical abilities. This research questions the overall usefulness of the event by focusing on both current and past players of QB, WR, and RB positions, who have performed at NFL Scouting Combine from 2000 to 2010. Statistical methods using the idea of multilinear regression, random forest and hypothesis testing on correlations between one’s Combine measurements and draft order, and as well as his NFL performance are used to mark and order the importance of the Combine drills in terms of how well they predict one’s career. The study reveals that an outstanding performance at the NFL Combine is not sufficient to guarantee one’s success as a professional player. However, certain traits seem to indicate a positive attitude that is usually necessary to be drafted into the NFL. What the Combine data could imply about one’s potential also depends on his position; wide receivers and running backs are highly regarded for their speed, which means faster players are more likely to be drafted, while quarterbacks perform quite independently from all the Combine measurements. To conclude, the study offers suggestions on how one’s raw athleticism measured at the Combine could be effectively utilized to assess the chance of one’s being drafted by encouraging players in different positions to focus on different drills that could best demonstrate their potential based on statistical findings.
https://nfldraftcombineanalysi...dict-future-success/
Thus, we hoped to be able to predict draft pick number and future success in the NFL based on these metrics. However, we were not able to find any significant relationships between NFL Combine results and either draft position or future career success. Yet there was a significant relationship between future NFL career success and draft position – indicating that NFL teams do indeed draft better players earlier based on factors other than a prospect’s Combine results.
DH13 posted:
Wasn't Antetokounmpo enough to learn?
I'd like to see a study that focuses more on "thresholds" for success, kind of like Ivy League schools & the SAT, they at least have to have a minimum of a certain number on certain combine tests to be successful. One thing I've noticed is that almost every all pro TE in the past 30 years has run the 40 in under 4.7 coming out of college. For me that is the threshold. Sternberger ran a 4.66 at his pro day. I get the thing about where they were drafted. Look no further than the HOF .... more First round choices there than all the other rounds + UDFA combined.
YATittle posted:
Hey that's great.
Unfortunately this Cal Berkeley student doesn't have access to seeing the actual boards before & after the combine. The actual boards are practically a state secret
Daniel Jeremiah's rankings...I usually find them more accurate then Helmet Hair or McShart
Not a knock on you Chongo.
This is the thing I can't stand about draftniks and bad GMs.
Jordan Love, QB
School: Utah State | Year: Junior (RS)
Love has ideal size, arm strength and athletic ability. He operates in the gun and he's very fluid and smooth in his setup. He throws from a variety of platforms and arm angles. The ball jumps out of his hand. He is at his best on skinny post drive throws and over the top deep balls. His decision making was very concerning this season. He forces too many balls into crowds and he doesn't ever give up on a play -- to a fault. His supporting cast isn't very good, but he still fell into too many bad habits. He uses his athletic ability to escape and extend plays, but there are occasions when he fails to climb and reset his feet. Overall, Love is a raw prospect who will need some time to develop. There is risk with him, but the payoff could be huge.
But he's still your 20th ranked pick of the draft. Oh what an athlete but he's a fucking mullethead. Okay.
Sounds like Favre. Now you need a coach to harness it & control it. Like Holmy. Get it?
Holmy: No more Rocket Balls please?!?
Favrie: No, I've chained up.....
Holmy: No, I know...
Henry posted:Not a knock on you Chongo.
This is the thing I can't stand about draftniks and bad GMs.
Jordan Love, QB
School: Utah State | Year: Junior (RS)
Love has ideal size, arm strength and athletic ability. He operates in the gun and he's very fluid and smooth in his setup. He throws from a variety of platforms and arm angles. The ball jumps out of his hand. He is at his best on skinny post drive throws and over the top deep balls. His decision making was very concerning this season. He forces too many balls into crowds and he doesn't ever give up on a play -- to a fault. His supporting cast isn't very good, but he still fell into too many bad habits. He uses his athletic ability to escape and extend plays, but there are occasions when he fails to climb and reset his feet. Overall, Love is a raw prospect who will need some time to develop. There is risk with him, but the payoff could be huge.But he's still your 20th ranked pick of the draft. Oh what an athlete but he's a fucking mullethead. Okay.
Because he's young, seems like a natural passer with a ton of upside and his problems are coachable.
Boris posted:Sounds like Favre. Now you need a coach to harness it & control it. Like Holmy. Get it?
Holmy: No more Rocket Balls please?!?
Favrie: No, I've chained up.....
Holmy: No, I know...
History doesn't bode well for the RPO scrambling super athlete QB. You rank him in the late 2nd or 3rd fine. Timmy Warner has a ton of potential and looked pretty crappy in college play. He wasn't ranked 20th overall. Mid round flyer pick at QB.
Sometimes you just never know on a kid. People though TT was insane for drafting Duh-vante in the 2nd round. I forget what pundit said but he pointed out "his basketball moves worked at Fresno, but won't transition to the NFL," meaning he gained a lot of yards juking guys and breaking ankles.
It only works sometimes in the NFL.
Now with a QB, you probably have a lesser margin for error. Really all this punditry is good for is entertainment. I'd be disappointed if the Packers took Love at #30 because quite frankly, we have more pressing needs at WR and ILB. But if Gutey believes he's too good to pass up at #30, who am I to question him?
That said, I am thinking if Love falls to #30, someone is going to get a hard on, and may throw some tasty picks our way to come up from the 2nd round and nab him. This feels like a good draft for that.
I'd have zero problem if they took a guy like that in the 4th. As I remember, Kizer had "decision making" problems as well and that dumb didn't wash off even after a being a starter.
I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a racist or too PC or my feelings were hurt or I forgot which identity I was today. Guys like that are not worth the high pick IMO. Timmy Boyle, zero draft capital wasted on what could be.
I'm all for reaping draft picks from some other clown organization though.
As a teacher from Love's high school who personally watched him play on the sidelines, I can tell you he's a good kid who is extremely coachable and those flaws in his game this year were as much a result of him thinking he needed to put the team on his shoulders and trying to do too much. Look at what he did the year before. I think he's a first round talent, but late in the first round, and it wouldn't shock me for someone to offer us a great deal to take him at 30 (such a great thing when you can lock a QB in for five years because they're a first round pick) and I do believe he will be available then. He also played basketball for us here and was a serious player, he's a solid athlete who really hit the weight room in college once he concentrated on only one sport. I'm just saying, I think knowing him he will be a success at the next level. He has a Drew Brees-Russell Wilson style focus.
Great. He's a nice guy who thinks, as a QB no less, he needs to win the game.
Never heard that before. Mid round flyer.
Henry, we will revisit this in five years. I for one thought Mahomes was overrated. Shows what I know.
His supporting cast isn't very good, but he still fell into too many bad habits.
We already have one of those on the roster.
Henry posted:Speed means jack shit if you can't run a route and fight through a defender. It means absolutely nothing. Get someone who actually catches the fucking ball running a correct route on a regular basis.
See Valdes-Scantling, Marquez.
YATittle posted:Henry, we will revisit this in five years. I for one thought Mahomes was overrated. Shows what I know.
I'm not seeing the comparison with Mahomes. Mahomes was slinging that ball all over the place.
I'm just saying I didn't think he'd be as successful in the pros as he has been. So, I could be wrong about Love.
I'm not saying Love is going to be a horrible pro either. I just laugh when draft guys come out with these takes of a top 20 talent just don't mind all the mistakes. Coachable is a relative term and it doesn't have anything to do with intelligence either. Some guys just can't adjust to the speed of the game. If you're making "bad decisions" playing at Utah there's a good chance he'll still be making bad decisions in the NFL. Too many "I'm a QB guru" hubridiocy projects that go nowhere.
No need to draft a QB before the 4th. Unless there is the lap-fall.
👍 Concur
When Mayock predicted Rodgers dropping to the Pack, I laughed & said no way. Then it happened & we all bowed down to Mayock.
Now, nothing would surprise me.
excalibur posted:Once upon a time, not all that long ago, the NFL would not allow players to compete in an arm-wrestling competition in Las Vegas; or award that city the Pro-Bowl. Now they are all in with a franchise based there. What could possibly go wrong with people who work for the team living in that city year-round?
Because players living in Oakland are surrounded by positive influences.
Have you guys seen this ? High School Football Coach (La) shows a letter he received from the Packers (signed by Gute) asking questions about College Draft prospect (LSU RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire) who attended his high school.
NFL Draft questionnaires starting to roll in for @Clydro_22. All HS athletes should pay close attention... got NFL dreams? I'll ask you this 1 question: How would your current HS coach fill out this questionnaire? Note: Special Teams/Multi Sport/Ttack times/What type of student pic.twitter.com/vtx4qy2JtN
— Gabriel Fertitta (@Fertitta_Gabe) January 28, 2020
First thought - kinda low tech.
Second thought - digging deep
Third thought - glad my current boss didn't ask about some of the shit I did in high school
Fourth thought: Kind of low class by the coach publicizing that the Packers did this. Let them do it in privacy.
PACKDOG posted:
How would your current HS coach fill out this questionnaire?
glad my current boss didn't ask about some of the shit I did in high school.
Fifth thought: me too, I'd still be a 67 year old red shirt fresh-man.
I thought they were looking at the RB from Georgia, ( D'Andre Swift )
Being it's from a Wisconsin team I can't believe they didn't list shooting sports, archery or fishing on the back side.
That’s quite the John Hancock Gute has...I’m sure he’s pleased about it floating around the inner webs
They missed a question: "What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
Same as a laden swallow would be my guess.
Just playing with mocks it appears the Packers will need to get at least one starter via Free Agency. Guys at a reasonable price I'd like to see them target:
Joe Schobert - Can cover and blitz from around the linebacker level, plus he's only 26.
Beau Allen - Rotational guy who's not much of a pass rusher but good against the run, and should be fairly cheap.
Kyle Van Noy - Similar to Schobert, but maybe even more versatile.
Danny Trevathan - Higher risk due to injury, but he can play, when healthy.
Jimmy Smith/Kendall Fuller/Ronald Darby - They could really use another corner who can play meaningful snaps in dime or if/when injuries occur.
DH13 posted:I've been seeing this guy slotted to GB in RD2. Anyone familiar with him? Never heard of him before the mocks.
YATittle posted:I'm just saying I didn't think he'd be as successful in the pros as he has been. So, I could be wrong about Love.
The Chiefs with Andy Reid was the perfect spot for him.
I like this Ashwaubenon kid
PackerHawk posted:excalibur posted:Once upon a time, not all that long ago, the NFL would not allow players to compete in an arm-wrestling competition in Las Vegas; or award that city the Pro-Bowl. Now they are all in with a franchise based there. What could possibly go wrong with people who work for the team living in that city year-round?
Because players living in Oakland are surrounded by positive influences.
I didn't specify players, and I doubt many if any players lived in Oakland year-round. And if you don't see the massive potential for trouble with all that gambling business and money in Las Vegas well, what can I say.
