"Home team discount," was never real.
Once players salaries crossed the $500k a year mark, it was always about the money.
Only douchebags who have already made north of $100M in their career have the stones to say "it's not about the money."
@Henry posted:Honest question. What are the chances of seeing some kind of uptick from Lowry and Lancaster? Not being a dick about it but guys like Lancaster top out pretty fast. Maybe Lowry can find another gear but I think he's hit his ceiling as well. Just having a new defense and DC leaves a ton of question marks and possibly a turn for the good on some of these rotational (should be) guys.
Hard to say, but with new coaching/scheme, anything is possible.
I guess I’m wondering how Z and P fit into this scheme as far as moving inside on the line, etc.
My sense was that Barry was not brought in to change the scheme too much (hence no staff changes). Seems like they brought him in to improve second level defense and improve the effort/energy from the whole unit.
Agree, I think that MLF's problem with Pettine was his more reserved personality.
@Grave Digger posted:My sense was that Barry was not brought in to change the scheme too much (hence no staff changes). Seems like they brought him in to improve second level defense and improve the effort/energy from the whole unit.
I thought Mayo stated they wanted the “Staley” defense specifically? I think part of keeping the position coaches is twofold; they are competent but I don’t think Barry had a cadre of hiring choices either.
I guess that’s what I’m curious about is how much of what scheme gets implemented and how much does it change up the responsibilities of each position? Is it like Mayo’s first year running a hybrid McVince offense with his own or is it a complete overhaul? It’s not like Pettine was a long timer but it doesn’t seem like the Rexy defense and the Staley defense line up very well.
@Henry posted:Honest question. What are the chances of seeing some kind of uptick from Lowry and Lancaster? Not being a dick about it but guys like Lancaster top out pretty fast. Maybe Lowry can find another gear but I think he's hit his ceiling as well. Just having a new defense and DC leaves a ton of question marks and possibly a turn for the good on some of these rotational (should be) guys.
I linked This Article about what Coach Montgomery thinks about Lowery since last season. Coaches rarely talk negatively about their players, so take it with a grain of salt, but he likes where DL ended last season and where he thinks he's headed this season.
@Henry posted:I thought Mayo stated they wanted the “Staley” defense specifically? I think part of keeping the position coaches is twofold; they are competent but I don’t think Barry had a cadre of hiring choices either.
I guess that’s what I’m curious about is how much of what scheme gets implemented and how much does it change up the responsibilities of each position? Is it like Mayo’s first year running a hybrid McVince offense with his own or is it a complete overhaul? It’s not like Pettine was a long timer but it doesn’t seem like the Rexy defense and the Staley defense line up very well.
I thought I remember a quote from a player saying there was a lot of carryover from the previous scheme. I think he’s using his own scheme, but I just meant I think he will use players like Z and P Smith, Savage, Gary, Jaire, Amos all in kind of the same roles they were before. I don’t think we will see so much soft coverage and 3 man rushes certainly, I get the sense Barry is more aggressive coming from the Tampa 2 background.
@Tschmack posted:I do believe Russ Ball and Mark Murphy have a lot to do with the current mess regarding Rodgers. To a lesser extent Gute may as well.
But to suggest Rodgers isn’t at all responsible is wishful thinking at best. There are a number of things he could do or could have done differently (or his handlers) but nah, that’s beneath him and he’s better and smarter than everyone else.
Thank God for Giannis and the Bucks right now. We can look forward to them defending their title starting in October and hopefully be enjoying a deep playoff run by the Brewers at the same time. All bets are off on WTF will happen with the Packers but as far as I am concerned make a goddamn decision. Report to TC. Retire. Demand a trade and make it happen. Enough of the drama already.
Ball and Murphy are reminding me a LOT of the Timberwolves "Country Club" front office.
@Tschmack posted:2020 should have been the year to celebrate another title. After all, they finally got the NFCCG at home. Didn’t matter. Missed opportunity.
2021 or bust only matters if 1) Rodgers comes back 2) Rodgers and Adams don’t act butthurt 3) they actually win the whole enchilada.
I’ll put my money on Brady and the Bucs repeating or Mahomes and the Chiefs winning #2. Those two teams actually have their collective shit together and actually seem interested in winning another title instead of the BS we continue to hear and see from the FO and Rodgers and Adams.
If 12 and 17 actually posted some MJ and Pippen comparable situation nonsense the two Bulls legends should seek out defamation of character charges. I mean, there are no comparisons. Those other two were part of arguably the most dominant and successful run in recent pro sports history. 12 and 17? That’s fart in the wind territory.
Could not agree more that it is silly for any member of the Packer organization, including #12 himself, to compare themselves in any way to members of franchises (in the NFL or other major sport) that truly went all out to win championships.
When you think Green Bay over the past decade, it is all about relax, stability, and complacency ... until the past couple of months of course.
I have always admired Wolf for having the integrity to publicly admit the 90s Packer run ended up being nothing more than a fart in the wind (and I know he backtracked when the faithful took umbrage that the 96 SB win was somehow more meaningful every other 1 and done group that managed to win a single SB).
Anyway, with the end of Rodgers time in GB quickly approaching -- if it is not over already, the whole Thompson-McCarthy-Rodgers will end up with fewer SB appearances than the 90s Pack. Heck, even the Giants & Niners went to more SBs than the Pack did under Ted, Mike, and Aaron.
I can't think of anything more original, but Fart In the Wind Round 2 is not only not to shabby but entirely appropriate.
Why doesn’t Mahomes win every year? Why didn’t Brees? Or Ben? Why did Peyton have to scrounge for a second chance?
You're really going to argue with the assertion that having a HOF QB makes the task of assembling a SuperBowl winning team easier?
Alright, boss. Let's here why that's wrong and don't try to strawman me.
@BrainDed posted:It's a slightly easier job than 30 or so of the other GM jobs that do not have 1st ballot HOF QB playing at a level never seen before in the NFL.
So 5?
@BrainDed posted:You're really going to argue with the assertion that having a HOF QB makes the task of assembling a SuperBowl winning team easier?
Alright, boss. Let's here why that's wrong and don't try to strawman me.
Why do non-HOF QBs like Eli, Wentz/Foles, Dilfer, and Johnson account for as many SB wins in the last 20 years as Rodgers, Brees, Favre, Warner, Wilson, and Ben?
@Henry posted:Because the Packers destroyed the curve.
If we paid Rodgers more money it would flatten the curve?
Only if they let him use it to bring in defensive help.
Meanwhile, Rodgers: “…and you gotta sign Randall Cobb”
Why the fuck would the Packers waste an early pick on a WR when Rodgers ignores WRs if they haven’t been in the league for 25 years minimum.
Why trade for Cobb when he might just get released. Houston has like 13 WR on the roster. About 7 will be cut.
Because AR wants to believe he has control.
The only problem I have with bringing 18 back is if it stunts Amari's growth and employment in the offense. I would think 18 could be a bit up against the wall if there are roster battles because of his lack of familiarity with the MLFO.
I don't get the Cobb thing. The guy was banged up during his last years in GB and hasn't been crazy good since then. And I also am concerned that if he is back it could slow down Rodgers development.
Cobb report only makes sense as something floated as an attempt to pacify #12.
Probably not the greatest idea personnel wise, but if bringing Cobb back bridges a gap between 12 and the organization, whatever. At a minimum, Cobb is a great dude and adds excellent character in the locker room.
@Pakrz posted:Probably not the greatest idea personnel wise, but if bringing Cobb back bridges a gap between 12 and the organization, whatever. At a minimum, Cobb is a great dude and adds excellent character in the locker room.
Bringing in Cobb would create a lot of defensive trouble as teams have been giving up slot help to cover Adams on the outside. Cobb is a reliable 5-8 yards slant receiver... and every now and then when the defense shows its hand he's pretty good at running the go route straight down the field piercing the Bears playoff dreams.
No way they bring in Cobb unless he's cut. No way they're picking up an $8m per year contract.
Well. I have not been a fan of Gute or Murphy--but---I thought they handled this circus as well as possible--and although I haven't read the fine print of 12's deal: get one more year out of an old MVP and get ridiculous draft/player compensation for him.....who's playing who here?--That is remarkable, especially when every national media NFL genious saw Gutekunst and Murphy as hayseed rubes.
Aint gonna be no super bowl win here. 1 in 4 odds or something like that?---i wouldn't want to hear that at my next medical visit. GB is great and the potential is there, but it has been there for 10 years. We'll beat the Bears twice and have a really nice looking future. I'm happy.
And Rodgers/Adams comparing themselves to one of the great sports dynasties of all time is just plain embarrassing. Kind of like comparing the Bay City Rollers to the Beatles....Budgie to Led Zeppelin
@Grave Digger posted:Why do non-HOF QBs like Eli, Wentz/Foles, Dilfer, and Johnson account for as many SB wins in the last 20 years as Rodgers, Brees, Favre, Warner, Wilson, and Ben?
Because their GM's did a fantastic job of building good teams. Now that we got that out of the way, can you address the point?
You're really going to argue with the assertion that having a HOF QB makes the task of assembling a SuperBowl winning team easier?
I think that depends on how much you're paying the HOF QB.
And what stage of his career he is in……see Mahomes, Pat.
Rodgers looks like Spicoli dropped him off in his van so he can get to camp.
@The Heckler posted:I don't get the Cobb thing. The guy was banged up during his last years in GB and hasn't been crazy good since then. And I also am concerned that if he is back it could slow down Rodgers development.
When you let players make roster decisions.
@BrainDed posted:Because their GM's did a fantastic job of building good teams. Now that we got that out of the way, can you address the point?
You're really going to argue with the assertion that having a HOF QB makes the task of assembling a SuperBowl winning team easier?
Their GMs weren’t burdened by their QBs ridiculous cap number.
20% of the cap? How is that even being a good teammate?
@Goalline posted:Their GMs weren’t burdened by their QBs ridiculous cap number.
20% of the cap? How is that even being a good teammate?
Yeah, except Rodgers’ cap number was less than Brady’s last year and counted for under 11% of the cap, similar the year before, etc. and this year’s salary is not yet a thing but why let the truth get in the way?