Official 2021 Packers Training Camp Thread

@BrainDed posted:

He said multiple times that he doesn't want final say, just an opportunity to be heard.   I know you love to strawman, but if you really want understanding, you got to stop making up an argument that nobody is arguing.

I want to see what kind of cap space is going to come available on this.  Suggestions on getting an old vet like Geno Atkins, etc. is about the only move I could see happening anyways.  Can you recruit guys like that chasing a championship for one or two seaons?  Sure.

More depth for the offensive line

So, what happens if the guys 12 recruits don't sign?

It does take two to tango.  Now I get  it if it is a ridiculously low offer, but let's say it's a fair offer and said player goes elsewhere? 

Gerg got a competitive offer, he left.  Jordy (by all accounts) got lowballed.

From the sound of it, no ball was given to Jordy. They just let him go.

Cobby's 2020 highlights...certainly not as explosive as he once was, but runs great routes, and perhaps a great mentor for Amari.

Rodgers isn't wrong about his reasoning in wanting to have a say.  But the time he should have pressed for change was a few years ago before he signed his contract.  When he had real leverage (no 1st round backup, a risk of being a FA) and could have actually had a say for multiple years.

Now he just gets Cobb and only gets a say for one year.  Too little too late.

As I recall Kumerow was a solid contributor on special teams.

someone say Malik Taylor got over 200 ST snaps last year. Did he do anything?

in sure gyre kept Shepherd as he had a great camp and he probably thought his upside was higher than WWJ

big mistake as we know

@vitaflo posted:

Rodgers isn't wrong about his reasoning in wanting to have a say.  But the time he should have pressed for change was a few years ago before he signed his contract.  When he had real leverage (no 1st round backup, a risk of being a FA) and could have actually had a say for multiple years.

Now he just gets Cobb and only gets a say for one year.  Too little too late.

Or he did and they simply didn't follow through.

@DH13 posted:

Or he did and they simply didn't follow through.

That's the upside to describing things as a beautiful mystery. Vagueness.

I'm more concerned about Cobb's contract $$$$ for next year. If he didn't reduce that to match the cash Houston kicked in this year how can we afford him next year. 

And as for Rodgers being upset that some guys were cut, what ever happened to "It is better to cut a guy a year too early than a year too late"?   

In Rodgers’ world the Packers should lean towards keeping guys a year too long rather than a year too soon? Good! Henry will be whining about the Northwestern twins for a long time. This is his definition of going all in?🤣

I agree with Rodgers that he has earned the right to have a voice in personnel decisions, but if this is his idea of what roster building, I get why they ignored him.😂😂😂

I'm kind of liking the thumbs down from YA YA.  Now I know I'm right because he is always rong.

@ammo posted:

I'm more concerned about Cobb's contract $$$$ for next year. If he didn't reduce that to match the cash Houston kicked in this year how can we afford him next year.

And as for Rodgers being upset that some guys were cut, what ever happened to "It is better to cut a guy a year too early than a year too late"?   

Looks like they are actually going all in for this year and not worrying about 2022 cap space for the time being. A welcome change.

Until 2022

Jordan Love with the play of the day, apparently. Perfect pass to Amari Rodgers. Apparently, it was as filthy as the porn Henry shot with 12 this off-season.

@BrainDed posted:

He said multiple times that he doesn't want final say, just an opportunity to be heard.   I know you love to strawman, but if you really want understanding, you got to stop making up an argument that nobody is arguing.

But what happens whey Rodgers voices his opinion and Gute still cuts that player?  I think that will create additional problems which is why players don't typically have influence over personnel decisions. 

@EC Pack posted:

So, what happens if the guys 12 recruits don't sign?

Then he still had the opportunity to be involved. Isn't it better to have the chance to make a difference than no chance at all?

So, is he is saying he never had a chance to offer opinions?   Does that mean in camp/meetings  he never mentioned to his QB coach or theWR coach that Jake was looking good and he would love to have him?  He, never in passing told the WR coach that he and Jordy had a great connection and the team should do whatever it could to keep him.

From what little I hear, he is not shy about expressing opinions and I find it hard to believe he did not offer those opinions in the past.  

I guess I am saying  he did offer suggestions and the team either listened  and acted on those suggestions or it listened and passed on them.

Whats different now?

"We got Randall Cobb because Aaron wanted him."

-- Gunt

What a twat...

Can GB not hire a fucking media coach to keep all these ****s from running their off? Jesus fuck. If you’re taking sides with this issue and believe one side is in the right then you’re delusional. They’re all ****s.

@Pikes Peak posted:

guess I am saying  he did offer suggestions and the team either listened  and acted on those suggestions or it listened and passed on them.

Whats different now?

I think Gute said exactly that yesterday, in not so many words.  He said AR has always had input but that it was now a matter of "incorporating that input" or something like that.

There's plenty of dumbfuckery from all sides, but the burden of being in a leadership position is knowing not how to consistently step on your own dick...a skill Gunt nor WMM have mastered.

Gutekunst, like Thompson and Wolf before him, is a talent evaluator. None of the 3 should ever be put in front of a mic to discuss the business of football. Let them talk about the players, that's what they do best.

What we are seeing is the huge leadership gap between Harlan to Murphy. I really miss Harlan.

Wow. Davante Adams with one of the best late-hands catches I’ve seen in a camp setting. Rodgers lofts a ball down the sideline that’s nearly picked but gets through to Adams for a 60-yard TD #Packers

— Wes Hodkiewicz (@WesHod) July 29, 2021

@PackerHawk posted:

Then he still had the opportunity to be involved. Isn't it better to have the chance to make a difference than no chance at all?

I guess I don't know how he'll react to not being listened to.  Sounds like he may have voiced opinions before that weren't heeded?

@EC Pack posted:

I guess I don't know how he'll react to not being listened to.  Sounds like he may have voiced opinions before that weren't heeded?

I guess I'm not seeing the logical connection between trying and failing to lure in a free agent player and not being listened to.

In the past he wanted to be involved in this way and the Packers said no thank you. That is my idea of not being listened to.

@Boris posted:

Wow. Davante Adams with one of the best late-hands catches I’ve seen in a camp setting. Rodgers lofts a ball down the sideline that’s nearly picked but gets through to Adams for a 60-yard TD #Packers

— Wes Hodkiewicz (@WesHod) July 29, 2021

Hope it wasn’t King in coverage

@Chongo posted:

There's plenty of dumbfuckery from all sides, but the burden of being in a leadership position is knowing not how to consistently step on your own dick...

Me neither. I'd need a lot shorter legs!

@YATittle posted:

Hope it wasn’t King in coverage

Sounds like the coverage was really good.

Some veterans don’t ride bikes at training camp anymore. Aaron Jones smiles and say he’s never going to stop riding bikes. pic.twitter.com/ZQUrkco6dD

— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) July 29, 2021

Watching Randall Cobb’s press conference. Such an engaging, intelligent and gracious person.

@YATittle posted:

Hope it wasn’t King in coverage

Savage

@H5 posted:

Gutekunst, like Thompson and Wolf before him, is a talent evaluator. None of the 3 should ever be put in front of a mic to discuss the business of football. Let them talk about the players, that's what they do best.

What we are seeing is the huge leadership gap between Harlan to Murphy. I really miss Harlan.

That's a fair assessment, but part of being an NFL GM is being able to handle these situations. Ted never screwed up at the podium because he was intensely cagey and never said anything. He was complementary to everyone, even people like Favre who he had to have hated, and never commented about anyone but his own team. I get the sense part of Gute's mandate is to be more accessible and friendly with the media, but he needs to take a page from Ted's book and just only say nice things and or nothing.

@YATittle posted:

Hope it wasn’t King in coverage

Nope, PUP list I believe....

PUP list don't cover.

@PackerHawk posted:

I guess I'm not seeing the logical connection between trying and failing to lure in a free agent player and not being listened to.

In the past he wanted to be involved in this way and the Packers said no thank you. That is my idea of not being listened to.

I guess I'm not explaining myself clearly.

So, sounds like he tried to give input before but was not listened to (or maybe was a wee bit) but they never signed his suggestions.

Now, if they openly take his advice but can't land the player(s), what will 12's reaction be?  Oh well, gave'er the old college try, maybe get'em next time or will he be mad they didn't go as far as he thought they should?

I still don't know it I'm explaining myself right. 

I think Rodgers knows he’s probably done in GB after this year, so the input or no input really doesn’t matter.  

As for the Gute comment “Aaron wanted him,” could someone please explain to me how a multi billion dollar business can’t hire a PR person or head of communications to coach the FO or respond to questions appropriately?   I get that Gute was probably ticked on ARs comments but get over it already.  

@ilcuqui posted:

Watching Randall Cobb’s press conference. Such an engaging, intelligent and gracious person.

I hope he can get open and CTFB for 17 games.  Don’t care if he is engaging, intelligent or gracious.  This is football not the Miss America Pageant.

He dropped the first ball Rodgers threw to him today.