@Grave Digger posted:Hope GBP Owner/Player Aaron Rodgers knows what he’s doing.
He doesn't.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Does anyone really doubt Cobb isn't good enough for the roster? Injury would be my biggest concern (and salary cap issues/what did we trade to get him)
He is a big upgrade over EQ and probably the rookie Amari Rodgers. It is fine.
At this point, IMO, the drama is on the shelf...at least that's where I'm choosing to put it. If Cobb can help great...we've rolled into many seasons with far less capable players, and ones who ended up injury prone, so if it makes 12 feel all warm and fuzzy, so be it.
Let's just win some fucking games now!
GPG
All the AR stuff aside, the fact that a 31-year-old African-American from Tennessee and who attended college in Kentucky and has made over 65 million in his career and can live anywhere he wants is thrilled to be traded back to Green Bay is something that would have been unfathomable in the 1980s or early 1990s.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:All the AR stuff aside, the fact that a 31-year-old African-American from Tennessee and who attended college in Kentucky and has made over 65 million in his career and can live anywhere he wants is thrilled to be traded back to Green Bay is something that would have been unfathomable in the 1980s or early 1990s.
Exactly why it's so important for the Packers to stay competitive long term. If this team goes into a long term losing streak like the 80s, there is no player that will want to play there, no matter the price.
Shucks. its corny that Cobb is back. Just trying to butter up Aaron.
If management really doesn't want Cobb, they could have a bottom of the roster safety take him out on a crossing pattern and IR him for the year...
BTW, I'm joking....
For that they need a safety to be near him.
This is the kind of "win the whole damn thing" that can galvanize a team. Let's do it.
@Pikes Peak posted:For that they need a safety to be near him.
Can they bring HaHa in for training camp?….nevermind.
@Pikes Peak posted:For that they need a safety to be near him.
You took the Josh Jackson joke from me before I could type it.
@vitaflo posted:Exactly why it's so important for the Packers to stay competitive long term. If this team goes into a long term losing streak like the 80s, there is no player that will want to play there, no matter the price.
And here I thought it was about winning championships.
Division Winning Town!
@Chongo posted:At this point, IMO, the drama is on the shelf...at least that's where I'm choosing to put it. If Cobb can help great...we've rolled into many seasons with far less capable players, and ones who ended up injury prone, so if it makes 12 feel all warm and fuzzy, so be it.
Let's just win some fucking games now!
GPG
Exactly.. Keep Kumero or Darius Sheppard? If one makes 12 happy, keep that one and go win some games.
Washed up Cobb or ESB, who cares.
Rodgers signing Cobb is like Brady signing Gronk last year. Yet another example of Brady owning Rodgers.
@Goalline posted:He doesn't.
So he will fit right in with management?
Aaron Suave' at the podium....oh this isn't going to help his case in the court of public opinion.
Why? Isn't "what is your problem" what everyone was clamoring for?
I also didn't hear "I need to be the decision maker" but I did hear "FO didn't listen to me or other players." JF, who doesn't want to know they have a voice with their employer, especially when you've earned the position as a top employee. Managing egos is a huge part of any pro sport, I hope this wakes the FO office to this fact.
Didn't see the presser, but if he wants to be heard, no issue. He learn that listening to one of your top employees and acting on what they said is never a given.
Rodgers should not have been surprised that that is the way with the Packers. He saw it 1st hand when they crossed the Rubicon.
Thompson listened to Favre for ~3 hours. McCarthy listened for over 9 hours, spanning 2 days.
They moved on.
Signing Cobb is a pacifier, not some view of the future. And really, not a terrible trade and the $$ seems very reasonable.
Rodgers gets the commitment he wanted, doesn't give up any cash in the process, and the Packers brass still have control on the future.
So Cobb is choosing to return to a building still occupied by WMM and Dumb Gunt??? Makes zero sense, unless the choice was never his from the start. 
wat?
@PackerHawk posted:So he will fit right in with management?
We need a "piss on you" emoticon.
His press conference and answer about why he wants a voice felt very disingenuous. It’s not as simple as a “pay cut”, a players cap hit is not his salary. The other part is, where does it end? Who gets extended this courtesy and who doesn’t? Certainly Woodson is a special case, maybe even Jordy, but what happens if they give Jordy another season at a reduced rate and then he begs for another season. At some point you have to pull the plug on players, even sentimental ones. I’m sure there are a lot of players who don’t want to leave their original teams, it’s the business of the NFL. Does he think it will be the same elsewhere?
@H5 posted:Didn't see the presser, but if he wants to be heard, no issue. He learn that listening to one of your top employees and acting on what they said is never a given.
Actually, being able to listen to the least important employee is the mark of a great employer/manager.
@Grave Digger posted:His press conference and answer about why he wants a voice felt very disingenuous. It’s not as simple as a “pay cut”, a players cap hit is not his salary. The other part is, where does it end? Who gets extended this courtesy and who doesn’t? Certainly Woodson is a special case, maybe even Jordy, but what happens if they give Jordy another season at a reduced rate and then he begs for another season. At some point you have to pull the plug on players, even sentimental ones. I’m sure there are a lot of players who don’t want to leave their original teams, it’s the business of the NFL. Does he think it will be the same elsewhere?
I am going to watch the presser myself before I draw any conclusions, but this seems more like Arod than any of the other depictions on here.
I missed the live press conference but I notice Packers.com is posting all the other guys (LaFluer, Gutey, etc) but not Rodgers and Adams. Are they just slow in doing this or do they not like what these guys have to say? I did catch most of Adams PC live.
The flip side point he made, which he is 1000% correct, is that he has unique insight into players that the team just can’t get. Him being around for 17 years, knowing who he knows, seeing the good/bad/ugly I guarantee he has a better feel for the reason why some players had down seasons elsewhere or what they will be like in the lockerroom. And yes, guys come to GB to play with him and compete for SBs, not because GB is a destination. He can recruit guys like Brady did, the team needs to listen to him. I’ve never thought he was incorrect in wanting the team to listen to him…he has to be willing to listen to and realize that they can’t accommodate every players desire to retire where they want. Elway bought Peyton a championship at the expense of the next 5 years being crap. Rodgers has to know there’s no way GB is going to risk long term stability for short term glory, there’s a bigger picture involved. What happens if GB goes on a shitty run for 5 years, a small market team without a deep pocket owner could be really bad right now. Rodgers is right and he’s wrong.
@Grave Digger posted:The other part is, where does it end?
This is just taking it to another extreme. Listening to and valuing your employees input doesn't have to mean you turn everything over to them.
in the end, I think this whole thing endeared him to his teammates more than we think
It is, but by the same token he listed a dozen guys who had unceremonious exits from the team over 10 years. Even if the team follow his advice to the letter, he has to know the whole team can't only be guys he wants there, so who does he cut? Which of his buddies don't get the opportunity to finish their careers as they want? It's a superficial analysis of what NFL GM's do and what they have to take into consideration. Does he think any GM wouldn't want high character guys like Woodson and Jordy forever? It just doesn't work out sometimes. It seems like he has a different problem and is using this as a more digestible excuse to account for the whole mess.
@Grave Digger posted:It is, but by the same token he listed a dozen guys who had unceremonious exits from the team over 10 years. Even if the team follow his advice to the letter, he has to know the whole team can't only be guys he wants there, so who does he cut?
Having a voice and being the decision maker are two different things. he didn't say "they have to stay or else" but he did feel they were not treated well on the way out (I'm guessing most of those players would echo that, this likely came from lots of player to player conversations). Now Rodgers has only ever been with one org, so maybe GB does it better than everyone else and he has no frame of reference, but like I said, I think he has talked with a lot of players so he knows what experiences have been with other orgs.
@Grave Digger posted:It seems like he has a different problem and is using this as a more digestible excuse to account for the whole mess.
So now that he has talked (and talked a lot), it still doesn't matter because there is still a hidden agenda?
I'm curious what response he gets from some of these other players (also wondering if he just forgot Greg Jennings?).
Oh man, he did leave out Gerg. That's gonna go over well in the Jennings household.
No I don’t think there’s a “hidden agenda”, but of course he’s going to spin things so they sound reasonable. The word soup he laid out, to me, spells: other guys got screwed and now I’m not going to be screwed. He can wax all day about culture and having a seat at the table, but the reality is that he was about to get screwed, like a bagillion other players get screwed, and he pulled every lever at his disposal to prevent it. Successfully. Do I expect he will recruit anyone to GB or have any impact on personnel besides Cobb? No.
@Grave Digger posted:No I don’t think there’s a “hidden agenda”, but of course he’s going to spin things so they sound reasonable. The word soup he laid out, to me, spells: other guys got screwed and now I’m not going to be screwed. He can wax all day about culture and having a seat at the table, but the reality is that he was about to get screwed, like a bagillion other players get screwed, and he pulled every lever at his disposal to prevent it. Successfully. Do I expect he will recruit anyone to GB or have any impact on personnel besides Cobb? No.
Because it's too late. Murph and the boys burnt that bridge down.
@Grave Digger posted:It is, but by the same token he listed a dozen guys who had unceremonious exits from the team over 10 years. Even if the team follow his advice to the letter, he has to know the whole team can't only be guys he wants there, so who does he cut? Which of his buddies don't get the opportunity to finish their careers as they want? It's a superficial analysis of what NFL GM's do and what they have to take into consideration. Does he think any GM wouldn't want high character guys like Woodson and Jordy forever? It just doesn't work out sometimes. It seems like he has a different problem and is using this as a more digestible excuse to account for the whole mess.
He said multiple times that he doesn't want final say, just an opportunity to be heard. I know you love to strawman, but if you really want understanding, you got to stop making up an argument that nobody is arguing.
As the great Kinky Friedman opined…..let Saigon’s be bygones.
And as TOG said in Minny….the pieces are in place.
Time to shut up and play ball.
@PackerHawk posted:Oh man, he did leave out Gerg. That's gonna go over well in the Jennings household.
They did offer Gerg a decent chunk of money. It's not like they gave him a company watch and cut him loose a year before retirement.
@BrainDed posted:He said multiple times that he doesn't want final say, just an opportunity to be heard. I know you love to strawman, but if you really want understanding, you got to stop making up an argument that nobody is arguing.
I don't want understanding. You seem to constantly have a problem with my opinions, it's probably easier if you just put me on ignore.