@DH13 posted:With the signing of a young Josh Jacobs, I would think RB slips down the list of needs for Gute. Depth is always good to have and Wright would seem to be high value in the late RD03 with potential to split snaps with JJ as RB2. If there arent' good options at OL or DB in that spot. Otherwise day 3 seems more likely for RB.
I agree. I also think guys like Ray Davis and Isaac Guerendo could be found in the 4th round, if needed.
@Boris posted:Absolutely no reason to have to wait two more weeks for the draft.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 11, 2024
None. Zero.
Translation...Faboykowski wants to take a vacation and is tired of waiting!!!
@DH13 posted:With the signing of a young Josh Jacobs, I would think RB slips down the list of needs for Gute.
You're not rong, but you could be a little righter
Josh Jacobs signed what amounts to a series of 1 yr deals, with a fat $5.9M roster bonus due next March. So its possible ( but unlikely) for GB to move on and Dillon is only on a 1 yr deal too.
From a contractual POV, Gute probably wants a rookie RB on a 4 yr El Cheepo deal. From a football POV, the rookie can learn the offense, master pass pro and give GB a more dynamic back in their arsenal going forward.
Unfortunately, there aren't many ( any ?) Aaron Jones' in the 5th this year, so if Gute wants one - its likely gonna be earlier due to the lesser draft class in 24.
In 2021, there were 160 underclassman who declared, this year its fewer than 60 - and that really impacts rounds 4 - 7
https://overthecap.com/player/josh-jacobs/7815
Jaylen Wright...Jaylen Wright...Jaylen Wright... lol
Non-RB/WR Underclassmen:
Terrion Arnold - Likely gone
Kool-Aid McKinstry - May be gone and not much of a tackler
Nate Wiggins - Very thin
Kamari Lassiter - poor scheme fit
Cooper DeJean - Poor scheme fit
Kalen King - Small
Mason Smith - Might fit
Mekhi Wingo - Smaller
Leonard Taylor III - Might fit
Mike Hall - Probably light, but reported Top-30 visit
Byron Murphy - Likely gone
Dallas Turner - Likely gone and small
Austin Booker - Doesn't meet athletic thresholds
Chop Robinson - small
Jonah Elliss - small
Jackson Powers Johnson - Might fit
Cameron Little - kicker
Jeremiah Trotter Jr - small
Trevin Wallace - Good fit
Junior Colson - Might fit (athletic thresholds?)
JC Latham - Probably too tall and RT-only
Kingsley Suamataia - Probably fit
Amarius Mims - Way raw and taller than normal
Blake Fisher - Might fit
Alt, McCarthy, May, Williams - all gone
Brock Bowers - gone
Ja'Tavion Sanders - Probably not value with Musgrave and Kraft
@Satori posted:Payton Wilson is both very old and very injury-ish
He's off the X4 board
explain the age concern to me
wilson is 23 now he will turn 24 just before the draft
"Defector was able to compare the average age of this year’s draft class to the previous five years. For the years 2017–2021, the average age ranged from 23.07 to 23.15 years old. This year’s class is 24.11 years old, basically a full year older, and in a league where every data point is precious, age is not just a number.”
I would be more concerned with his injury history than his age.
@WolfPack posted:explain the age concern to me
Gute prefers younger guys, especially for his early picks. The pandemic kinda messed with that, so you have these older players now who had an extra year in college. Both Wyatt and Walker were older than typical Packer picks
The concern is how much development and upside is left for that player ?
Age at stage of development is important
And was his success in college due in part to being older/faster/wiser than the guys he was playing against ? A 24 year old should be better than a 21 yr old
He won't have that advantage in the NFL so its an important consideration on draft day. Was he winning only because he was an older player ?
Look at Kenny Clark, he was just 20 when drafted- which leaves a lot of development & upside ( his best football is ahead of him) and he was already a successful DL at that early age. If Clark delivered the same college results at age 24, its just not as impressive.
If you look at the Top 30 visits and guys GB has talked to...a fair number of
RT-only type guys. Seemed strange given Zach Tom's play at RT
Then I saw this recent comment from Demovsky:
“I was told by people in the organization that (they think) Zach Tom is a Pro-Bowl RT, an All-Pro Guard and a potential HOF Center.”
I'd love to see Tom moved to Center. Not sold on our incumbent.
Another playmaker on offense who would make a lot of sense, if they don't want a running back early would be WR Malachi Corley. We'd probably have to take him in the 2nd round, but he would add a new element to the offense.
Tom's size is certainly a more ideal fit at C than at RT. It's kind of amazing what he's been doing at RT.
Found on Internet....a Kiper mock
https://www.acmepackingcompany...y-packers-two-rounds
🤭
I just don't see it (Mims).....Who the hell is Mel Kiper?!?!
@Packmeister posted:Another playmaker on offense who would make a lot of sense, if they don't want a running back early would be WR Malachi Corley. We'd probably have to take him in the 2nd round, but he would add a new element to the offense.
what element do we need. We got Watson that can fly and jump through the roof. Hands are a little iffy. Doubs runs great routes. Hands are iffy as he see he constantly double clutches the ball. Bo Melton can fly, Wicks has a Davante vibe going on and runs and catches everything, Reed runs and catches everything. What element are we needing?
@Satori posted:RB4 Jaylen Wright
STRENGTHS: Muscular build with defined arms and quads … gives his blockers a chance to do their jobs before using his burst to accelerate through holes … has track speed, but his ability to cut away from pursuit angles at full speed and create missed tackles is more impressive … most of his explosives came on the outside, where he could bounce and find a runway (three carries of 50-plus yards in 2023) … keeps his shoulders square and his feet underneath him for quick lateral cuts … runs with balance and run strength, and he averaged 4.35 yards after contact in 2023 (third best in the FBS among backs with 130 -plus carries) … willing to step up and stone linebackers in pass pro … only 30 career catches, but he caught the ball well when targeted … plenty of tread left — fewer than 400 offensive touches in college … produced when given the opportunity, averaging 6.24 yards per carry over the last two seasons.
WEAKNESSES: Prefers to step/spin out of contact and doesn’t consistently drop his pads into contact or fall forward … inside vision is in consistent and will leave some meat on the bone … needs to be quicker adjusting his tempo to attack daylight as it opens … wide base helps his balance mid -cut but also hinders some of his lateral explosiveness at times … anticipation in pass protection is still developing … fumbled five times over the last two seasons, although only once in 2023 … minimal special-teams experience and wasn’t used as a returner in college … scored just four times in 2023 … wasn’t asked to carry the offense (12 or fewer offensive touches in half of his games in 2023) … underwent a procedure on his left thumb after the 2023 season.
SUMMARY: A one-year starter, Wright was the lead back in head coach Josh Heupel’s version of the Air Raid spread scheme. He led the Volunteers in rushing each of the last two seasons and finished No. 1 among all FBS running backs in yards per carry in 2023 (7.39). Wright, who formerly was roommates with speedster wide receiver Jalin Hyatt, is a good-sized back with the foot quickness and speed bursts that leads to explosive plays (25.74 percent of his carries in 2023 went for 10-plus yards, No. 1 in the FBS). Though his pace and patience must improve for more controlled runs, he showed a lot of promise with his receiving skills and pass-pro reps on his 2023 film. Overall, Wright needs to develop a better feel for using tempo to maximize what is there, but his run strength, balance and ability to cut/weave at top speed make him dangerous with the ball in his hands. He projects as a scheme-versatile back (stylistically similar to Jerome Ford) who can handle work on all three downsGRADE: 3rd Round (No. 83 overall)
I'll be surprised if he lasts to No. 83.
@Floridarob posted:what element do we need. We got Watson that can fly and jump through the roof. Hands are a little iffy. Doubs runs great routes. Hands are iffy as he see he constantly double clutches the ball. Bo Melton can fly, Wicks has a Davante vibe going on and runs and catches everything, Reed runs and catches everything. What element are we needing?
Corley is touted as a Deebo type, but needs a lot of work as a downfield receiver. I wouldn’t spend a R2 on a WR this year, given who is likely to be available- with the caveat that if Thomas or another absolutely incredible value surfaces at 41, then Gute should consider. I think they go OT at 41 after grabbing a CB at 25. Maybe move up from 41 to get Barton, Guyton, or Morgan if they fall past 30.
This one made me laugh. Its pretty mild
Imagine if all of your college shenanigans ended up on your resume 
"...arrested on misdemeanor counts of consuming alcohol, possession of a fraudulent ID, injury to personal property and resisting an officer after he ran from police, was struck by a vehicle and hid under a parked car."
If you look at the Dane Brugler Draft Guide, he has a top 100 list
Based on that list - when the Packers are on the clock at 25...they will have a choice of the following:
CB4
EDGE4
OT6
DT2
OG2
WR5
QB5
SAF1
LB1
Nice to see all those QBs and WRs pushing other players down to GB
@Floridarob posted:what element do we need. We got Watson that can fly and jump through the roof. Hands are a little iffy. Doubs runs great routes. Hands are iffy as he see he constantly double clutches the ball. Bo Melton can fly, Wicks has a Davante vibe going on and runs and catches everything, Reed runs and catches everything. What element are we needing?
I'll let Packer Report say it... "The Packers do not have anything like Corley in their wide receiver room. His ability to line up all over the formation
would allow Green Bay to be very multiple on offense. Envision a package where Corley motions into the backfield
and they hand the ball off to him vs a light front, or he lines up in the backfield vs a heavy front and splits out wide.
He could be the key that could bring this offense to new heights."
I hear you. With Josh Jacobs back there, it's probably not as much a priority, because he can do a lot of the same thing.
@Satori posted:This one made me laugh. Its pretty mild
Imagine if all of your college shenanigans ended up on your resume"...arrested on misdemeanor counts of consuming alcohol, possession of a fraudulent ID, injury to personal property and resisting an officer after he ran from police, was struck by a vehicle and hid under a parked car."
smarter than hiding under a moving car
"The Packers do not have anything like Corley in their wide receiver room. His ability to line up all over the formation would allow Green Bay to be very multiple on offense."
Since when can "multiple" be used as a predicate adjective?
(Edit: and what would "somewhat multiple" be?)
@Boris posted:Remember, we are literally one draft cycle removed from Green Bay selecting Jayden Reed in the 2nd round…
— Kyle Fellows (@Packer_Pundit) April 2, 2024
THIS Jayden Reed.
The Packers draft history gives us data points, but we know almost NOTHING for sure. That’s part of the fun. pic.twitter.com/0lx81dgt5G
I wonder what his RAS is compared to other slots.
@Packmeister posted:. Envision a package where Corley motions into the backfield
and they hand the ball off to him vs a light front, or he lines up in the backfield vs a heavy front and splits out wide.
He could be the key that could bring this offense to new heights."
I could swear I saw Jayden Reed do exactly this stuff last season. Was I seeing things?
He doesn't have the size that Corley has... or the strength. But I like Jayden Reed.
@Fedya posted:"The Packers do not have anything like Corley in their wide receiver room. His ability to line up all over the formation would allow Green Bay to be very multiple on offense."
Since when can "multiple" be used as a predicate adjective?
(Edit: and what would "somewhat multiple" be?)
Who cares? Obviously, editors at reputable media sources don't .. maybe there are no editors any more.
It's amazing to me how little love Penix is getting. He's going to be great. Beautiful ball placement and plenty mobile.
He looked terrible in the bowl game vs. Michigan. It didn't help his draft stock.
Those measurables, on Cole, are enough for the Packers to pass on selecting him. Not a great Safety class, this time around. Especially so when we need another one, IMO.
@lovepack posted:It's amazing to me how little love Penix is getting. He's going to be great. Beautiful ball placement and plenty mobile.
Ron Wolf used to say that a team should always draft a QB. I wonder if the Packers take a pass, on either Penix or Nix, if they are available? Nobody does Draft and Develop better than the Packers.
My guess is someone like a Joe Milton or Devon Leary later on, if they go that route.
If Penix drops to the 3rd, maybe. 🤷♂️
If for some reason either Penix or Bo Nix fall into later 2nd or early 3rd round I think you may want to take one of them.
Came across some additional draft info on the old man, LB Payton Wilson
One comment was that there are a few situations where an older player has some added value and one of them is being the QB of the defense - there the added experience & wisdom can potentially be a benefit.
The other comment on Wilson was that you can ameliorate the injury concerns by drafting another ILB later on and train them both at the same time. Gute wants more LBs and he wants them to be interchangeable- so maybe there's a path forward for super-senior Wilson to be a Packer.
ILB4 Payton Wilson via Brugler at The Athletic
STRENGTHS: Quick-footed athlete with outstanding lateral agility … long-strider in space with terrific speed (23.7 mph on-field GPS) and perimeter range … alert and sees the field well to always be around the football … keys/mirrors the run and takes fast angles … uses body bend to skim and work around blocks … fluid turn-and-run in coverage to match up with backs and tight ends … physical tackler and hits like a sack of potatoes … missed tackles decreased each season in college … elite on-field energy with plenty of chase-down plays and hustle production on tape … extremely passionate in both practice and games and only knows one speed … a regular on punt return and punt coverage in 2023 … three-year team captain and a highly respected team leader (head coach Dave Doeren: “He’s one of the most elite competitive spirits I’ve ever coached. … He’s a warrior.”) … surpassed 400 tackles in his career (21 game with double -digit tackles) … played his best as a super senior in 2023, earning unanimous All-American and ACC Defensive Player of the Year honors.
WEAKNESSES: Disproportionately short arms for his tall frame … spends too much time hand-fighting and needs to be more efficient with his shed … lacks desired bulk and bulk strength … occasionally late to break down as a tackler, allowing runners to make a move … highly active but at times to his determinant, leading to false steps … needs to better anticipate in zone coverage … medical history is a bright red flag after double -digit surgeries since his senior year of high school — missed the second half of his senior year of high school after tearing the ACL in his right knee (October 2017), requiring surgery; reinjured his right knee during summer of 2018 and required another surgery, sitting out his first season at NC State; underwent surgery on both shoulders after the 2020 season and sat out 2021 spring practices; missed most of the 2021 season after suffering his third shoulder dislocation (September 2021), which required surgery (Bristow procedure performed by Dr. James Andrews) to repair shoulder blade issues (battled complications from the surgery, including infection) … will be 24 years old on draft weekend …
Note: Wilson was the guy hiding under the parked car
SUMMARY: A four-year starter, Wilson played weakside linebacker in defensive coordinator Tony Gibson’s 3 -3-5 stack scheme. After returning for a sixth year in Raleigh, he put together his most complete season in 2023 with 11.5 tackles per game (fifth best in the FBS) and cleaned up on the award circuit, taking home the Butkus (nation’s top linebacker) and Chuck Bednarik (nation’s top defensive player) awards (first in NC State history to win either honor). Against run or pass, Wilson is quick to trigger (downhill and laterally) and has some impressive GPS numbers for both his speed and the ground covered on plays.
Although he is an average take-on player and can be late escaping blocks, he never shuts it down and competes with the “every play could be my last” mentality. Overall, Wilson’s medicals will be a key factor in his final grade, but he is a rangy and instinctive player who impacts the game in different ways, because of his effort and toughness. His four-down potential will separate him from most linebacker prospects.
GRADE: 3rd Round No. 88 overall
