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@Boris posted:

Actually DeGuara was going to get drafted in the 5th round by SF. Gutey had traded away his 4th and the 5th they had was after SF picks so he over-drafted him in the late 3rd.

In case you forgot SF drafted Kittle in The 5th round.

What is your source for this info? I

Gute will be speaking at the Combine - Tuesday morning

"Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst will be made available to the assembled media at the 2024 NFL Scouting Combine on Tuesday morning.

Gutekunst is scheduled to speak at 9:00 a.m. CT at Podium 4 from the Indianapolis Convention Center. He is one of five decision makers who will kick off the media availability on Tuesday morning.

The media sessions typically last around 15 minutes at the combine. "

Here's a guy I'll be watching closely (blurb from the Packerwire link):

Dadrion Taylor-Demerson, DB, Texas Tech

The Texas Tech defensive back has a radar for the football. Over the past three seasons, Taylor-Demerson has picked off 10 passes and recorded 33 pass deflections. He has true centerfield range and a high football IQ with good route instincts. Taylor-Demerson has outstanding closing burst when he attacks downhill against the run.

His click-and-close is very good, though maybe the "icing on the cake" following the Joe Barry years is people noting his great pre-snap communication, aligning the defensive backfield from Day 1 of Shrine Bowl practices.

He can probably line up in the slot or deep and handle whatever receivers bring at him as he has corner experience, as well.

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Some news on Rakestraw from an ESPN draft analyst:

Miller was also impressed with Rakestraw's toughness as he shut down some of the best receivers in the upcoming draft while nursing a core muscle injury that he had surgery for in December.

As we roll into the combine, I thought I'd share this post from a friend of mine, talking about what teams are looking for from the various combine drills
I've never seen it explained so well before

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"Training and being prepped for the combine/pro-day, it's worth going through specifically what each drill is meant to test because I think that sometimes gets skipped over in online discussions."



  1. Vertical jump and broad jump are pure max load explosive power tests.  Both tests are a single movement with no follow through (well broad jump has a little, but for the sake of simplicity let's ignore the landing) that do not need to be maintained.  Your goal is just to generate as much power as you can in one movement.

  2. 10 yard split is also a straight line explosive power test, but unlike the vert and broad jump it requires you to maintain that explosiveness over a number of steps.  Form comes into play in a bigger way here, but we'll just assume most players get at least enough training to know what basic running form is.  Stride length tells you a little about flexibility, but the most important part of this test is seeing how a player generates and then maintains that power over distance.  A player with a great vert but a poor 10 yard split shows a huge ceiling on their explosive power generation but an inability to either use or generate that power over longer stretches of time and movement.

  3. Shuttle is part explosive power, part change of direction.  Both parts are vital, which is why there are plenty of prospects with great explosive numbers but underwhelming shuttle numbers.  It's important to be clear about what change of direction means here: the 20 yard shuttle specifically tests how well a player can drop their weight to dump speed and reroute their power.  Since your contact with the ground is the only real source of inertia you can use to slow your self down, the higher up your weight is (ie, the straighter you're standing) the longer the turn around takes.  So shuttle gives you a bit of a mix of explosive power generation, flex/bend through the lower body, body lean/ability to sink the hips, and the ability to transition from braking steps to accelerating steps.

  4. 3-Cone is also explosive power and change of direction but with a much higher emphasis on the CoD part.  Here, flexibility is king.  The 3-cone is all about quick feet and the ability to keep speed and momentum regardless of lower body angles.  If you're stiff through the ankles or hips, you end up losing a ton of your speed as your round the cones because you need extra steps to make up for not being able to keep your stability with steeper lower body angles.

Which of these tests is most important depends a lot on the player we're talking about and what the team wants to do with them.  A power rusher doesn't need as good a 3-cone time as a speed rusher does, because he isn't likely to try to run the arc and thus need the same ankle/hip flexibility.

In terms of Cox / Enagbare, Both Cox and Enagbare test out as guys who generate power and can maintain it over distance, but struggle when asked to bend or drop their weight.  It's worth noting that Enagbare has significantly longer arms and did his tests at 258 vs 250 for Cox.

It's not a huge difference, but it shouldn't be ignored because Enagbare also out-performed Cox on the raw explosive power tests that favor lighter athletes.  Being more explosive at a heavier weight means there's a multiplicative difference between the two when it comes to their shared biggest strength. "

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Little off topic.

When I was in college, Tim Harris came for an autograph session at the athletic store I worked at.  I was amazed at how skinny his calves were.

Catts like.....But holy crap did he have some muscular thighs and arms.

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There's a story (I think I'm remembering this correctly) from George Plimpton's book Paper Lion about how the coach of the Lions, I think it was Joe Schmidt, said he liked players with big, muscular calves because he thought they had more strength, speed, etc. So, he had a bunch of players line up in shorts to look at their calves and junked his theory when the guy with the skinniest calves was Alex Karras.

I suffer from small calves syndrome.   I've spent countless hours doing calf raises of all varieties.   They grow, but they sit too high on the leg for it to look like it.

It's like I have an 10" long ankle.

The only answer is tall socks.

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@DocBenni posted:

BrainDed, gotta focus on horizontal calf raises as opposed to vertical calf raises....

My grandad raised calves on his ranch.  He once said to me "always raise your calves horizontally, never vertically".  He was a wise man.

from Gute on RB:

“I do think we would always like to have one power, bigger back on the roster for short-yardage situations and playing in the weather and closing out games,” Gutekunst said via Packers.com.

Gutekunst also mentioned, there is something to be said for having a big back to lean on at the end of games when defenses are more tired, resulting in more yards, the chains being moved, and the clock winding down. "

@DocBenni posted:

BrainDed, gotta focus on horizontal calf raises as opposed to vertical calf raises....

I’ve considered intermittent intentional obesity.   There isn’t a single fat man alive without huge calves.

@Satori posted:

from Gute on RB:

“I do think we would always like to have one power, bigger back on the roster for short-yardage situations and playing in the weather and closing out games,” Gutekunst said via Packers.com.

Gutekunst also mentioned, there is something to be said for having a big back to lean on at the end of games when defenses are more tired, resulting in more yards, the chains being moved, and the clock winding down. "

A. Jones has always been the better short yardage back between him and Dillon.   Assuming Dillon is because of size and still believing that after several years of evidence.   Strange.

I ran one for fun before the combine really kicks off tomorrow. Philly offered 50 & 53 plus a 3rd next year for #25, so that seemed too tempting to pass up.

41. OT Kingsley Suamataia - Should test like a freak, undersclassman, experience on both sides, can likely play four positions.

50. LB Edgerrin Cooper - Athletic freak, underclassman

53. S Kamren Kinchens - Underclassman, versatile, super athletic

58. OL Graham Barton - Five-position versatility, likely RG Day 1

88.CB Jarrian Jones - Inside/outside versatility, press skills (played board here a bit with taking before Green)

91. CB Renardo Green - Inside/outside/safety versatility, stones fools in press

126. RB Jaylen Wright - A little linear, but good wheels and decent vision. This is likely a steal.

166. S Dadrion-Taylor Demerson - Super versatile with accolades for leadership and communication

203. LB Edefuan Ulafashio - Super quick and good in coverage

215. Edge Javon Solomon - Twitchy, undersized, may get work at SSLB and be a specialist early

242. DT Kristian Boyd - Small-school run stopper, admittedly played the board here.

250. S Demani Richardson - Good ST type, would have preferred OL Jalen Sundell from NDSU, but didn't see him on the list. 

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@BrainDed posted:

I suffer from small calves syndrome.   I've spent countless hours doing calf raises of all varieties.   They grow, but they sit too high on the leg for it to look like it.

It's like I have an 10" long ankle.

The only answer is tall socks.

Leg warmers, bro!

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