Per Kiper.
@Shadow posted:Who the hell is Per Kiper?
The brother of Mel - and neither of them have a clue. But they both have nice hair.
@Herschel posted:I ran one for fun before the combine really kicks off tomorrow. Philly offered 50 & 53 plus a 3rd next year for #25, so that seemed too tempting to pass up.
41. OT Kingsley Suamataia - Should test like a freak, undersclassman, experience on both sides, can likely play four positions.
50. LB Edgerrin Cooper - Athletic freak, underclassman
53. S Kamren Kinchens - Underclassman, versatile, super athletic
58. OL Graham Barton - Five-position versatility, likely RG Day 1
88.CB Jarrian Jones - Inside/outside versatility, press skills (played board here a bit with taking before Green)
91. CB Renardo Green - Inside/outside/safety versatility, stones fools in press
126. RB Jaylen Wright - A little linear, but good wheels and decent vision. This is likely a steal.
166. S Dadrion-Taylor Demerson - Super versatile with accolades for leadership and communication
203. LB Edefuan Ulafashio - Super quick and good in coverage
215. Edge Javon Solomon - Twitchy, undersized, may get work at SSLB and be a specialist early
242. DT Kristian Boyd - Small-school run stopper, admittedly played the board here.
250. S Demani Richardson - Good ST type, would have preferred OL Jalen Sundell from NDSU, but didn't see him on the list.
So many/most are saying there is no room on the Packer roster for 11 draft choices and they should use some to trade up or trade into 2025 draft. But you want them to draft even more guys. Makes no sense.
This is exactly the kind of take I don't understand. Rasheed "Glaring Void" Walker begs to differ.
@ammo posted:So many/most are saying there is no room on the Packer roster for 11 draft choices and they should use some to trade up or trade into 2025 draft. But you want them to draft even more guys. Makes no sense.
Many/most may not be dealing with probabilities, or Gutekunst may break type, lots of things may happen.
First, looking at roster turnover in the NFL
Roster Turnover in the NFL | Over the Cap
From 2013 to today, roster turnover is pretty high overall. In the last three years, Green Bay is tied in the #10-#12 spot for highest retention with slightly over 30% turnover each year.
Even the teams with the lowest had over 25% turnover.
To add: COVID kind of upped those numbers a bit with the extra eligibility years for guys to stay in college. As OTC's numbers show, turnover was higher pre-COVID and will likely reflect that more going forward, though NIL money also likely counters that some, at least for a bit.
So keeping in that ballpark, there will likely be around 16 new players on the Packers active roster to start next year, with spots also on the practice squad.
Just last year they started with 17 rookie and first-year players on the active roster. They also had brought in some journeymen, who aren't exactly guys they'll likely work hard to keep this year or going forward.
* Maybe Gutekunst gets ambitious in free agency, but it's not probable he breaks type and brings in more guys than usual there.
As for the sim, the offered "trade" adds one pick in the likely sweet spot in the draft. It also adds a quality pick for next year with the draft being in Green Bay. I'm betting the organization would like to have some extra draft capital for then. If it had also "requested" a late pick this year as well, I would have still agreed, but I wasn't going to counter to offer more than it was asking, and I doubt any actual team would do so.
If the talk of this year's back end of the draft being watered down by NIL money depressing the number of quality underclassmen declaring is legitimate, those late picks aren't worth much of anything in trade, even if they try to throw in Robert Ferguson.
They basically become grabbing guys who would otherwise have been priority UDFAs.
@PA green & gold posted:The brother of Mel - and neither of them have a clue. But they both have nice hair.
Speaking of “nice hair”, where the hell has Kiel been?!?!
@BrainDed posted:I suffer from small calves syndrome. I've spent countless hours doing calf raises of all varieties. They grow, but they sit too high on the leg for it to look like it.
It's like I have an 10" long ankle.
The only answer is tall socks.
Go to Texas and sow your seed! Catts will appreciate that.
@PackLandVA posted:Speaking of “nice hair”, where the hell has Kiel been?!?!
Banned? Anybody have his contact info, if yes, is he okay?
Fedya has BK's contact info.
He's got him locked him in the basement.
Those fancy lotions aren't going to apply themselves.
@PA green & gold posted:The brother of Mel - and neither of them have a clue. But they both have nice hair.
...and a pen glued to their forefinger and their middle finger.
I'm told Jayden Daniels is a guy Bill Belichick loved and was at the top of their draft board. Does Jerod Mayo love him too? #Patriots pic.twitter.com/vQrs8Ry2cI
— Bridget Condon (@BridgetCondon_) February 28, 2024
I understand the draft has become an event, and starting workouts later to push towards primetime trying to elevate the combine makes sense, but if you're trying to build interest, but having 300# DTs running the 40 might not be the most exciting way to kick things off.
Yup, they are very, very seldom going to need any straight line speed, they will need to hold their ground, occupy lanes, etc. May I suggest this for interior D linemen ? Would be much better TV too
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#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has repeatedly targeted players whose most recent college season was not their best. #FSU WR Johnny Wilson is a 6'6"+ Stranger Things monster who had a dynamite 2022.
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) February 29, 2024
Could he be the final piece in GB's WR room?
Prospect Primer in the post below: https://t.co/hYxzPzA4OI pic.twitter.com/OPQb5bHxju
@Herschel posted:I understand the draft has become an event, and starting workouts later to push towards primetime trying to elevate the combine makes sense, but if you're trying to build interest, but having 300# DTs running the 40 might not be the most exciting way to kick things off.
I agree!
They should start out on the other side of the ball!
Well......he's definitely Guteys type (9.81 RAS unofficial)
"He's already a Packer."
— Eric Miller (@EricMil42852846) March 1, 2024
- Brian Gutekunst on Payton Wilson after seeing his RAS score. pic.twitter.com/wNHlpE8luK
His age and injury history may count against him to Gutey, though.
@Boris posted:#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has repeatedly targeted players whose most recent college season was not their best. #FSU WR Johnny Wilson is a 6'6"+ Stranger Things monster who had a dynamite 2022.
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) February 29, 2024
Could he be the final piece in GB's WR room?
Prospect Primer in the post below: https://t.co/hYxzPzA4OI pic.twitter.com/OPQb5bHxju
Final piece already on the roster:
My Jr year in HS was better than my SR….I’ll be waiting for a call.
Koolaide has Jones fracture. Will have surgery after his workout day. Supposed to be ready by training camp.
Ray Davis at the podium today in Indy:
— Zak Keefer (@zkeefer) March 1, 2024
"I wanna be somebody for the kids ... who may not have the resources, the help, the academics, but do have the fight and courage because somebody did it before them. When I make it, I’m gonna go back and make sure they have a platform too." https://t.co/cTl6ulDRER
@ammo posted:Koolaide has Jones fracture. Will have surgery after his workout day. Supposed to be ready by training camp.
I hope Gutey does not drink that Kool-Aid...
That’s rough as the main knock on him (aside from some supposed maturity issues) is deep speed. He must think he’ll be able to run at the Alabama Pro Day, otherwise he’s delaying surgery three weeks.
Iowuh DT Logan Lee just made himself some money running the fastest 3-cone for DT at 7.16 seconds, tying for 6th all time in the combine among DT at 6'5" 285
Elite change of direction in the mold of Fletcher Cox, Nick Fairley and Josh Boyd.
If there is no Green and White suit on Draft Night, it isn't true...
.@UW_Football WR @RomeOdunze takes so much pride in his Nigerian heritage. 🇳🇬💜 #NFLCombine | @NFLAfrica pic.twitter.com/oXg6tmSYad
— NFL (@NFL) March 1, 2024
Bukowski is pimping Odunze - wants the Packers to trade up and get him.
Packers find WR gems in 2nd round. Any WR short of Marvin, I don't want to see a trade up for unless it's in the 2nd round.
Question: Would you trade 25, 41 and a first rounder next year to go get Marvin Harrison??
@Boris posted:Bukowski is pimping Odunze - wants the Packers to trade up and get him.
Packers find WR gems in 2nd round. Any WR short of Marvin, I don't want to see a trade up for unless it's in the 2nd round.
Question: Would you trade 25, 41 and a first rounder next year to go get Marvin Harrison??
Absolutely. I rarely support a trade like this but Marvin Harrison Jr seems to be as close to "can't miss" as you'll find. And we see how a top WR can change an offense and positively affect a young QB.
@Boris posted:Bukowski is pimping Odunze - wants the Packers to trade up and get him.
Packers find WR gems in 2nd round. Any WR short of Marvin, I don't want to see a trade up for unless it's in the 2nd round.
Question: Would you trade 25, 41 and a first rounder next year to go get Marvin Harrison??
I doubt that would work Boss. You don't want to trade in your division with the Bears. Washington wants a QB very bad and what they want won't be there at 25. New England wants a QB or WR so they will stand pat to get there guy. Arizona needs WR so they will grab Marvin if he is still there. That takes you down to Chargers at #5 and Marvin will be gone by then.
Bo Melton’s brother, Max, a CB, just ran a 4.39
@Chongo posted:If there is no Green and White suit on Draft Night, it isn't true...
.@UW_Football WR @RomeOdunze takes so much pride in his Nigerian heritage. 🇳🇬💜 #NFLCombine | @NFLAfrica pic.twitter.com/oXg6tmSYad
— NFL (@NFL) March 1, 2024
You've made Goalline so very unhappy....
Future Packer...
Elijah Jones is a CB prospect in the 2024 draft class. He scored an unofficial 9.63 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 83 out of 2222 CB from 1987 to 2024.
— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) March 1, 2024
Splits Projectedhttps://t.co/2V6WKPgbQv pic.twitter.com/hoyGxK2dPT