Official Packers 2025 Off-Season Thread

@WesHod:  Brian Gutekunst says Christian Watson is the only #Packers player who will have a preexisting injury that'll linger into 2025. Hasn't had surgery yet (which I think everyone is aware of)

@RobDemovsky:  Packers GM Brian Gutekunst insisted there is no disconnect between Jaire Alexander and the team.

“There’s frustration from both sides that he can’t get out there.”

Gutekunst said his contract isn’t prohibitive on a return but “we’ll work through that.”

@WesHod:  @mattschneidman asks #Packers GM Brian Gutekunst about if he'd like to bring back Brandon McManus: "We would. I had a good conversation with him before he left."

Adds that he'd like to keep that specialist core together.

Packers GM Brian Gutekunst on roster youth:

"I know we're young from a numbers perspective, but these guys have played a lot of football, and playoff football at that. Certainly, we're young from a numbers perspective, but from an experience perspective we're not young at all."

— Jason B. Hirschhorn (@by_JBH) January 16, 2025

Whatever, Gute.  Go get some more vet help.

@The Heckler posted:

Love will get much better if he has receivers that don't drop the ball 3-4 times a game and can stay healthy.  IMHO I really don't think the issue is Love its the receiving group. Watson has had some unfortunate bad luck with injuries and Doubs has started to miss some time with the bad concussions.

Receiver has to be addressed in FA or the draft and if they can get a couple of guys who can get open and catch the ball Love will be just fine.

The drops were ridiculous this year.

how do we fix that?

@Herschel posted:

How is jerking off an elephant supposed to help?

@YATittle posted:

The drops were ridiculous this year.

how do we fix that?

Jugs. They fix everything. I meant it. It will fix everything. Lots of reps with jugs. I meant with the machine....nevermind.  I'm distracted.

Actually, there should be some benefit from jugs work.
Manual dexterity, as an example.
The fingers help the hands.

His unit really underperformed.

@RobDemovsky:   The Packers have let defensive line coach Jason Rebrovich go, according to a source.

Rebrovich coached outside linebackers under previous coordinator Joe Barry and moved to D-line this past season under new coordinator Jeff Hafley.

Probably going to promote Asst DL Coach Vincent Oghobaase. They need to whack WR coach Ryan Mahaffey...the drops and piss poor routes from the young guys are unacceptable.

@RapSheet:   The #Packers are set to interview #Jets DL coach Aaron Whitecotton for their now-vacant DL coach job, source said. @RobDemovsky reported GB moved on from Jason Rebrovich.

@Chongo posted:

... They need to whack WR coach Ryan Mahaffey...

That seems a bit harsh.
Unless you think that they really need to make an example of him.

@antooo posted:

That seems a bit harsh.
Unless you think that they really need to make an example of him.

Why do I feel like there's going to be a second part to the Rooney rule?

Some insight on Whitecotton

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...pass-rushing-history

Bukowski today proposed trading Alexander for DK Metcalf.

Bukowski should be tested for CTE.

@Herschel posted:

Bukowski should be tested for CTE.

It's the world according to a fanboy who grew up playing Madden and thinks he knows as much as an actual coach.

TO be fair, we all knew more than Mo Drayton.

Zadarius Smith, David Bakhtiari, now Jaire Alexander.  Not sure what it is where their injuries made both parties disgruntled, and the players spoke out against the Packers publicly.  Everything I've read is that Packers are ultra-conservative with player injuries. 

@50k Club posted:

Zadarius Smith, David Bakhtiari, now Jaire Alexander.  Not sure what it is where their injuries made both parties disgruntled, and the players spoke out against the Packers publicly.  Everything I've read is that Packers are ultra-conservative with player injuries.

I wouldn't say that in Bak's case it left both parties disgruntled. In all these cases we don't know what our medical staff recommended, what the players decided to do, how they attacked their rehab, etc.

@Chongo posted:

It's the world according to a fanboy who grew up playing Madden and thinks he knows as much as an actual coach.

You referring to Bukowski or Herschel?

Losing Alexander would suck.  Not sure if he’s trying to pull a Jimmy Butler but that CB group isn’t the same without him.  Stokes was awful this year and Nixon should not see the field unless he’s your 5th or 6th emergency player.  

@Tschmack posted:

Losing Alexander would suck.  Not sure if he’s trying to pull a Jimmy Butler but that CB group isn’t the same without him.  Stokes was awful this year and Nixon should not see the field unless he’s your 5th or 6th emergency player.  

But how many games does he play, let alone playing when not healthy. He's a headache.

Not sure that list is as big a dunk as they think.  The only other team on that list that got anywhere afterwards was the LAR, in large part due to McVay.  No other team went anywhere.  To be a pessimist, it's almost like having the youngest team guarantees you won't win the SB.

Youth is a nice star decal on your helmet but you gotta do more with it.  The investment has to pay off.

@Tschmack posted:

Losing Alexander would suck.  Not sure if he’s trying to pull a Jimmy Butler but that CB group isn’t the same without him.  Stokes was awful this year and Nixon should not see the field unless he’s your 5th or 6th emergency player.  

He definitely makes us better, but has only played in 33 of our last 77 games. If we keep him next year he will cost us 19 million in cap space over the next two seasons. So the question should be "would you sign him for one year at 19 million".?. In addition to the injury history, there is the question of if he wants to be here. Another factor is that while good, he hasn't been an elite CB since injuring his shoulder in 2020.

LA Rams have starting CB’s drafted in the 3rd round, 6th round and UDFA. And they shut down Jefferson & Addison last week because they unleashed a holy hell pass rush on Darnold and got in his head early.
Every great coach in the history of forever will tell you you want your best, most disruptive players close to the football when it’s snapped. OL. DL. QB. LB. RB.
Football always has been and always will be won by teams that are best inside out. You pay a guy like Alexander if you can’t rush the passer.

@PackLandVA posted:

Yes, none of those teams went on to win an Owl within the next couple years.  Rams did after getting a Vet QB 6 years later.   Was I supposed to notice something else?  

Being ultra young means your drafts sucked and don’t have guys on 2nd or 3rd contracts.

Yu were supposed to notice that the Packers were the only team who made the playoffs 2 years in a row with the youngest team.   But the Negative Nellies only see what didn't happen.

@ammo posted:

Yu were supposed to notice that the Packers were the only team who made the playoffs 2 years in a row with the youngest team.   But the Negative Nellies only see what didn't happen.

Is there a trophy for that?

@BrainDed posted:

Being ultra young means your drafts sucked and don’t have guys on 2nd or 3rd contracts.

There is no data to support the first half of this sentence, and 3rd contracts have been rare in the NFL for the past 20 years.

As of September 2024, the average age of NFL teams ranged from 24.9 years for the Packers to 27.3 years for the Dolphins.

Buccaneers: The second youngest team with an average age of 25.4 years

Rams: The third youngest team with an average age of 25.5 years

Chiefs: The fourth youngest team with an average age of 25.4 years

So, the 4 youngest teams (by age) were all playoff teams in 2024.

@ammo posted:

Since 2017 …

2 of the teams above have played in multiple Super Bowls, winning one and losing one.

2 of the teams above have made multiple trades FOR players in attempts to improve their rosters.

2 of the teams above have gone the dreaded (for certain Packer fans) all-in route in their attempts to compete for Super Bowls.

1 team above has nearly exclusively traded AWAY players to accumulate more draft picks in order to always remain “competitive.”

And this season, just 1 team above finished 3rd in its division and allowed its fans to begin thinking about the 2025 draft after a quick and non-competitive first round playoff exit. Fans of the other 2 teams have to watch them play again tomorrow.

The “best” Packer fans obviously understand that winning the youngest team in the NFL “award” 2 years running is a huge, huge accomplishment.

It is only the bad Packer fans who notice that teams like Philly & the LA Rams have not followed the GB way of roster building during what is now going on 15 years since the Pack’s last SB appearance.

@SteveLuke posted:

The “best” Packer fans obviously understand that winning the youngest team in the NFL “award” 2 years running is a huge, huge accomplishment.

Making an early run at the DSOBOTB title?

@BrainDed posted:

Yes, none of those teams went on to win an Owl within the next couple years.  Rams did after getting a Vet QB 6 years later.  Was I supposed to notice something else?  

Being ultra young means your drafts sucked and don’t have guys on 2nd or 3rd contracts.

I just found it interesting. Nothing more, nothing less.

Winning the Super Bowl is the only thing that matters, right? Unless winning or making the SB helps support your argument.

Being a SB participant is the only thing that matters. Unless making the Conference finals supports your arguement.

Being a SB participant or making the Conference Finals are the only things that matter. Unless winning the Division supports your arguement.

Being a SB participant, making the Conference Finals, or winning the Division are the only things that matter. Unless just making the playoffs supports your arguement.

Being a SB participant, or making the Conference Finals, or winning the Division, or making the playoffs are the only things that matter.  beating your Division rivals supports the arguement.

Moving the goal posts is the only thing that matters if it supports your argument.

@H5 posted:

You referring to Bukowski or Herschel?

This is the only video game Herschel plays

I would have guessed this:

Focusing on being the youngest team in the league as a reason for hope is something that fans of bad teams might cling to.  However, I would say it isn't quite the same for the Packers.  It's not nothing that they were the only team on that list that had a winning record and went to the playoffs.  That said, it only matters if those young players take the next step.  It would stand to reason that being the youngest team in the league and making the playoffs/have a winning record is way better than being a much older team and not accomplishing either.