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Originally Posted by phaedrus:

At a real high level, if the Packers do not acquire known commodities at S and ILB thru trade or FA, I sure as heck hope they have an extremely high degree of confidence that the draft/player development route (such as Hyde) accommodates those positions.

I think you are saying "I hope, since they didn't sign someone else's guys, that they hope their own guys and rookies will be good enough." 

 

My answer... I think so. 

 

In words for you... I think it is reasonably affirmative, at a high level, that this team, as designed, most likely meets the needs to some extent what the coaches desire, save for unforeseen circumstances (such as death) and within the parameters of draft and develop.

If the owner of the Raiders is on McKenzie behind becouse he has not turned that team around he is nuts. McKenzie first job was to clean up the Mess Davis left. He did that,  now he has to find a Frnachise QB,  that is not very easy.

Money terms for Raji:

 

@RapSheet: BJ Raji agreed to come back to #Packers on a one-year deal, source confirms (as @TomSilverstein reported). It’s for $4M. He’ll play NT again

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Originally Posted by Boris:
Originally Posted by Orlando Wolf:
Mckenzie is really hitting the panic button out west.

 

His job is probably on the line

 

A good way to keep it is not to pay through the nose for Saffold. He dodged a major bullet on that one.

I don't know if this plays into TT's philosophy.

The Packers, in their draft and develop approach, seem to be as loyal or more so than most other teams. They give players a chance to make that next step and deliver on  promised rewards when they do. There is something antagonistic to this approach when you reward players who have contributed to other teams, which is what a free agent signing does.

 

This could be read as a criticism of Thompson's ability to parse players' characters.

Some will argue that team chemistry and dynamics are illusions; that the players are all just mercenaries. But I think TT is cautious of trying to make an outside talent "fit" into the Packer's scheme, locker room and culture.

 

Free agent signings, particularly of marquee names, rarely live up to the hype surrounding them. Reggie White; Marshawn Lynch, Marshall Faulk are a few that have who spring to mind.

Originally Posted by turnip blood:

If the owner of the Raiders is on McKenzie behind becouse he has not turned that team around he is nuts. McKenzie first job was to clean up the Mess Davis left. He did that,  now he has to find a Frnachise QB,  that is not very easy.

 

Al Jr. is still there...as long as that dolt is in charge, it will be the same crap Al did. Everyone once in a blue moon, they may make a Superbowl run...but the norm is going to be what we've seen the last 5-10 years.

ok, now lets get EDS, Jermicheal, and the two James back back in the fold and we can call a mulligan for 2013. And of course get the new 27 rookies up to speed to take over when Injury Armageddon strikes again next year. 

Yes i left that unstated about AL Jr returning to the old ways. If the Raiders do not follow McKienze program they will be bad for a very long time.

 

So Raji is coming back. 1 year contract the guy better put out some effort this year or else he may be done in the NFL. Even if he does have a good year how can anyone trust him to give him a long term deal?

Originally Posted by Floridarob:

ok, now lets get EDS, Jermicheal, and the two James back back in the fold and we can call a mulligan for 2013. And of course get the new 27 rookies up to speed to take over when Injury Armageddon strikes again next year. 

 

 

Add it.  You're a machine.

Originally Posted by Herschel:

The results do matter, and they've been lacking outside of 2010. Outside of the weirdly gifted run to the Super Bowl, the team makes the playoffs and faces early exits to superior teams just like the Sherman teams everyone disparages.

 

Playoffs 6 of 9 years.  2 of which were the trainwreck GM Mike "JOE JOHNSON! Sherman left him.

 

4 division titles

 

2 NFCC appearances

 

1 Super Bowl win.

 

That's some mighty high expectations if that's "lacking".  

Originally Posted by Fedya:
And here I was thinking they were going to convert him to punter.

With his ability to catch the ball and run for touchdowns, they might want to switch him to tight end.

Originally Posted by Floridarob:

ok, now lets get EDS, Jermicheal, and the two James back back in the fold and we can call a mulligan for 2013. And of course get the new 27 rookies up to speed to take over when Injury Armageddon strikes again next year. 

 

Finley might be done. Seattle did not sign him and he is not yet cleared to play.

Not sure if the Packers want EDS back. As for Jones this is a heck of a draft for Wides, maybe the Packers want his roster slot opened for a rookie.

 

Originally Posted by Henry:
Originally Posted by Floridarob:

ok, now lets get EDS, Jermicheal, and the two James back back in the fold and we can call a mulligan for 2013. And of course get the new 27 rookies up to speed to take over when Injury Armageddon strikes again next year. 

 

 

Add it.  You're a machine.

LOL, A machine??? I guess I have that in common with TT. Beats some of the adjectives you have been called on here tho.

 

@RapSheet: The #Bucs agreed to terms with G/C Evan Dietrich-Smith, they announced. Source says it’s a 4-year deal worth $14.25M overall.

 

Good for him.  I'm optimistic Tretter and/or TJ Lang will upgrade the position.  Sick of seeing Packer centers getting driven into the QBs face.

 

 

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Originally Posted by PackerRuss:
 
The tipoff thatwriter has no credibility when it comes to analysis:
 
"A stud left tackle would have been great, allowing David Bakhtiari to move inside to guard."
 
Of course, that fact that Bak never played guard in college, didn't play or practice at guard at any point in Green Bay---makes him the perfect guy to slide inside at guard.  Genius! 
 

Here's another bed wetter.....

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...ency--141648137.html

 

I can't believe this guy is a writer?

 

Thompson could still find some pieces, and there are plenty of solid free agents left. And Thompson has the draft too.

 

 

Originally Posted by Henry:

       
Originally Posted by Floridarob:

ok, now lets get EDS, Jermicheal, and the two James back back in the fold and we can call a mulligan for 2013. And of course get the new 27 rookies up to speed to take over when Injury Armageddon strikes again next year. 

 

 

Add it.  You're a machine.


Funny, but I never pictured Floridarob as a machine:

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Originally Posted by CAPackFan95:
Originally Posted by Herschel:

The results do matter, and they've been lacking outside of 2010. Outside of the weirdly gifted run to the Super Bowl, the team makes the playoffs and faces early exits to superior teams just like the Sherman teams everyone disparages.

 

Playoffs 6 of 9 years.  2 of which were the trainwreck GM Mike "JOE JOHNSON! Sherman left him.

 

4 division titles

 

2 NFCC appearances

 

1 Super Bowl win.

 

That's some mighty high expectations if that's "lacking".  

A very good record to be sure, but I can't help but think back to the SB and the next yr as the team rolled to a 15 and 1 record. I recall that here and in the national media there was a lot of talk about how to stop the Pack, quite a bit of dynasty talk.  I cannot put my finger on it but after the KC loss something has been different, injuries, poor d play, players/coaches not living up to there billing and underachievement have all played a part.

 

There still is time to get that dynasty talk going again but with Rodgers in football middle age the time is getting shorter.  Who among us back in 2010 did not think that there would be another SB trophy in GB by now?

Originally Posted by CAPackFan95:
Originally Posted by Herschel:

The results do matter, and they've been lacking outside of 2010. Outside of the weirdly gifted run to the Super Bowl, the team makes the playoffs and faces early exits to superior teams just like the Sherman teams everyone disparages.

 

Playoffs 6 of 9 years.  2 of which were the trainwreck GM Mike "JOE JOHNSON! Sherman left him.

 

4 division titles

 

2 NFCC appearances

 

1 Super Bowl win.

 

That's some mighty high expectations if that's "lacking".  

It's a "What have you done for me lately" league, especially when you have the best QB in football in his prime. This year's division title was a boobie prize. When Rodgers went down the Packers morphed in to Jacksonville North.

 

Heck, Sherman's final three years in charge had the Packers with three-straight division titles (again, stats in a vacuum).

 

Is 4th & 26 really any worse than a 15& 1, as$-kicked and done? They haven't made it out of teh divisional round since their Super Bowl appearance. They can make the playoffs in a mediocre division and they're close, but they fall apart against the good teams in the playoffs with defenders failing to make basic plays.

 

They're a good team who just need a little more to put them in to elite standing. Nothing ridiculous or drastic, but not having glaring holes on defense would probably do it.  

Last edited by Herschel
Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:

are we talking about Sherman the coach or Sherman the GM.

 

I need context.

Sherman the GM's final three years as GM were three straight division titles.

 

Stats in a vacuum.

The Packers have had success(playoffs appearances), but they have won only a single playoff game in 3 other appearances beyond 2010, including 2 losses at home. That's not cutting it, IMO. You have the game's greatest QB and you're 5-4 in the playoffs with him. And it hasn't been Rodgers- he has been up to the task. But look at those 4 losses- lose a track meet at Arizona, get blasted by the Giants, pounded by the 49ers. The only close one was the loss this past season, where they couldn't get a stop in the final 4min to give their star one more crack.

Thompson has failed to field a defense worthy of their HOF QB. Despite the expenditure of several 1st and second round picks, it continues to be a problem. I have faith he can do it, but the results need to be there. Soon. Not even Ted Thompson should be able to escape criticism.
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Bucs probably won't win five games next year with the ridiculous changes they have made. Fans are all geeked tho. You would think they are getting ready for the Super Bow.  Forget they have to play NO twice, Carolina twice, and Atlanta twice. I bet they lose all but maybe one of those games. I believe Lovie was quoted in his press conference that his goal was still to beat the Packers.

Originally Posted by Fedya:
Originally Posted by Henry:

       
Originally Posted by Floridarob:

ok, now lets get EDS, Jermicheal, and the two James back back in the fold and we can call a mulligan for 2013. And of course get the new 27 rookies up to speed to take over when Injury Armageddon strikes again next year. 

 

 

Add it.  You're a machine.


Funny, but I never pictured Floridarob as a machine:

 

Was he born before 1925?

 

Originally Posted by cuqui:

@RapSheet: The #Bucs agreed to terms with G/C Evan Dietrich-Smith, they announced. Source says it’s a 4-year deal worth $14.25M overall.

 

Good for him.  I'm optimistic Tretter and/or TJ Lang will upgrade the position.  Sick of seeing Packer centers getting driven into the QBs face.

 

 


Someone please bring Henry of the ledge.

Originally Posted by Herschel:
They're a good team who just need a little more to put them in to elite standing. Nothing ridiculous or drastic, but not having glaring holes on defense would probably do it.  

How do we know all of these shiny FA's won't get hurt like the rest of the team?  

Originally Posted by Goalline:
Originally Posted by cuqui:

@RapSheet: The #Bucs agreed to terms with G/C Evan Dietrich-Smith, they announced. Source says it’s a 4-year deal worth $14.25M overall.

 

Good for him.  I'm optimistic Tretter and/or TJ Lang will upgrade the position.  Sick of seeing Packer centers getting driven into the QBs face.

 

 


Someone please bring Henry of the ledge.

What's "of the ledge"?  

Originally Posted by Herschel:
Originally Posted by CAPackFan95:

And, Lynch has had a cap hit of 5.5M, 8.5M last two years, and 7M, 9M next 2 years. 

 

Which means we might not have Jones, or an extension with Jordy or CMIII, or Tramon...

 

But, we could have potentially gotten more style points in the Super Bowl win.  Or something.  

Tongue-in-cheek (hence the smiley) but do you or anyone doubt that would have really been a problem?

Look at the stats (in a vacuum) above, Green Bay has the fewest free agents yet arguably more successful teams utilize the system more.

 

 

More successful than the Packers??? Using what metric? The 49ers? Oops, no Superbowl victory in nearly 20 years. The Patriots. None since the Cheatroit era. The Ravens. You have me there since they have won exactly one since TT took over the Pack. The Seahawks? ZERO whole Super Bowls more than TT.

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