Do your job, do it as best you can and shut the hell up. Raji didn't do any of those.
That's exactly why he now has the "prove-it" deal. He better be Haloti Ngata in 2014 & if he IS....he'll get paid, even if it isn't by the Packers.
He should fire his agent immediately unless it was all Raji's idea to turn down the deal.
I think we definitely dodged an $8 million dollar bullet.
Packerboi
The numbers are actually pretty interesting. While Jordy is clearly the #1 WR on the team, and (IMO) a better receiver than James Jones, it seems like Jordy is the one that benefits from AR being in the game. Rodgers essentially played 8 full games (not counting Chicago mid-season) Here's the catches and targets for the 7 games with AR and 8 without:
With AR
Jordy - 49 catches, 68 targets, 72% of caught targets, 7 TDs
Jonesy - 26 catches, 36 targets, 72% of caught targets, 1 TD
Without AR
Jordy - 35 catches, 55 targets, 64% of caught targets, 1 TD
Jonesy - 33 catches, 57 targets, 58% of caught targets, 1 TD
I think Jones' #s would be better with Rodgers if he didn't miss two games, and was healthier in the games following his injury.
The guy that really benefited was Boykin. His #s with and without are: 16 rec in 28 targets with Rodgers; 33 rec in 57 targets.
I'm not trying to debate Jones compared to Nelson or really any other receiver on the Packers. I just think he's really underrated, and quite a bit better than A LOT of the WRs in the league that are #2s and #3s on other teams. And when you factor in what some of these other guys on other teams are getting paid, I'll take Jonesy in a heartbeat.
As far as YATittle's comment about Jennings, he's right in saying that AR wasn't throwing to him. The other half of the equation is: WHO WAS THROWING TO HIM???? The answer is: a whole bunch of dog poop on the team he signed with!
I think we definitely dodged an $8 million dollar bullet.
I'm still not buying the $8 million offer. Never have read or saw where the Packers actually made that offer. It was all made up by his agent or Bad Bob.
IMO, the reason JJ's production really fell off with Wallace/Tolzien/Flynn under center is those QBs had terrible vision for open receivers beyond the #1 or #2 options on pass plays. JJ likely was not one of the primary reads on most pass plays (Nelson likely either #1 or 2 on most, and Boykin served in the Cobb role for being the hot read on the quick hitter plays - remember all those 5 yard passes by Wallace/Flynn?). AR12 makes tremendous progressions on pass plays that most QBs can't make (plus his pocket awareness and elusiveness creates more time) - and that is what enhances JJ's value.
Koopla - Jones was actually targeted more than Nelson with the backups under Center (see above).
Jones will also be 30 I believe this month. Couple that with TT's uncanny ability to find quality WR's I just doubt even if he's available in say June (like he was last time around), TT will offer him a contract.
I suspect he'll be gone by then OR he's a sure signing once a starting WR somewhere goes down.
PLVA - just because Jordy didn't get the targets, doesn't mean he wasn't one of the top options. Those backup QBs left a TON of open WRs on the table and I believe they panicked a lot. I was at the Falcon game and was stunned with how many wide-open WRs were not seen by Flynn.
From your numbers above, the low % of targets caught by JJ when the "other QBs" were playing indicate to me that those were the panic/late recognition type passes that those QBs attempted (and therefore not true primary options).
Like Cobb or Jordy? (This was a reply to packerboi's post.)
Jones will also be 30 I believe this month. Couple that with TT's uncanny ability to find quality WR's I just doubt even if he's available in say June (like he was last time around), TT will offer him a contract.
I suspect he'll be gone by then OR he's a sure signing once a starting WR somewhere goes down.
I agree that he'll be gone....unfortunately. But that's the business of sports. Jones really seems like a good dude, and we know of his humble beginnings. I think he worked really hard three years ago to shun the "dropsies" label. He's really become a sure-handed WR. Someone else mentioned it, but if he's not with GB, I hope another team pays him a small ransom. Doubt it will happen, but I guy can hope!
PLVA - just because Jordy didn't get the targets, doesn't mean he wasn't one of the top options. Those backup QBs left a TON of open WRs on the table and I believe they panicked a lot. I was at the Falcon game and was stunned with how many wide-open WRs were not seen by Flynn.
From your numbers above, the low % of targets caught by JJ when the "other QBs" were playing indicate to me that those were the panic/late recognition type passes that those QBs attempted (and therefore not true primary options).
Koopla - I was only commenting on "Jones' production falling off without Rodgers". I just commented that his #s were actually better this year without Rodgers. 
I hope we at least try to keep JJ.
why do we hear nothing about Flynn? He sure was better than Seneca Wallace! We need him, too.
Why would the Packers, if he will not cost too much, not want to have JJ back?
Just spit balling here perhaps Ted does not want to use a roster slot on him. I would think he will draft a Wide Receiver in this draft and maybe there is a player on the Packers roster he really likes.
In this story JJ is in effect saying a school yard pick up game pick me. The rest of the league does not seems to believe he is system guy who Rodgers made him look good.
quote:why do we hear nothing about Flynn? He sure was better than Seneca Wallace!
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Here's where I put them.
| Player | Re-sign? | Least likely/Most likely to re-sign |
| j.finley | no | |
| j. jones | no | |
| a.quarless | yes | [re]signed |
| e.dietrich-smith | yes | gone |
| m.flynn | no | |
| j.starks | no | |
| j.kuhn | yes | |
| k.bell | no | |
| m.newhouse | no | |
| s.wallace | no | |
| s.shields | yes | Most likely - [re]signed |
| b.j.raji | yes | [re]signed |
| r.pickette | no | |
| j.jolly | no | |
| c.j.wilson | no | |
| m.neal | yes | [re]signed |
| r.francois | no | |
| j.lattimore | yes | tendered |
| m.d.jennings | no | Least likely - gone |
| c.banjo | yes | [re]signed |
If a team wants James Jones, his dip in production with the back-up QBs isn't going change their mind. The issue with Jones is his age. He was never that fast, but he has always been young and strong which made up for his lack of speed. Teams don't want to invest a lot of money in an old slow possession receiver unless they are Heinz Ward. Thompson has Jordy, Cobb, and Boykin right now, a good position coach, and a good eye for WR talent. Someone, maybe GB, will sign James Jones eventually, but it won't be until after they see how the draft shakes out IMO.
Packers sign DL Letroy Guion:
@TyDunne: #Packers sign another. Guion's agent... RT @thkleine14 Extremely happy for Troy Guion on agreeing to terms with the @packers.
@RavensInsider: Letroy Guion did a one-year deal with the Packers. Will hit free agency again next year when he's 27 years old
Lots of DL depth. Still room for 1 draftee though.
@RobDemovsky: Guion's deal is for 1 year, could be worth up to $1 million. Base of $730K. SB of $100K plus weekly roster bonuses, per a source. #Packers
Another player who had been cut by his previous team, so does not count in next years supplemental draft pick calculation.
Ted really wants to protect those extra 2015 picks for EDS and MD. 
Edit: On second thought, MD Jennings (RFA) probably doesn't qualify for a supplemental pick.
I guess that officially ends any hope or thought of getting Pickett back.
Hargrove/Merling signing. May not make the team, depending on draft results. Doesn't look like anything is guaranteed and weekly roster bonuses.
I do not think this signing rules out the Packers signing anyone. Cutting Guion will cost the Packers nothing. I think what is getting important for Ted now is slots, the 90 (or is it 80 I forget) he can start with and the 53 he can keep, I think he has about 65 guys signed now add 9 draft slots the Packers roster is filling up fast.
You mean with the signing of Guion the bridge over the Mississippi flows both ways? 
Odd signing by TT. Yes, he's younger, but lighter and didn't do a whole lot with Minnesota, and the Queens needed DL help this year. I don't think Minny made a big push to resign him, so it makes me wonder how good he is. Luckily the contract hit would be negligible if we cut him.
I also wonder if Capers is going to more 4-3 since he went out and got Guion and Peppers. Trog is going to have his work cut out for him to get these guys ready to play 3-4 or figure out some sort of rotation or have a flexible 4-3/3-4 system this year. Hope Capers can pull it off...
Better our OL are beating up on him than someone who might actually make the team. #CampFodder
Jones signs three year deal with Raiders.
<script charset="utf-8" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" type="text/javascript"></script>Oh, James...... that's unfortunate. RT @AdamSchefter: Raiders reached agreement with former Packers WR James Jones, per ESPN source.
— Andrew Garda (@Andrew_Garda) March 17, 2014
Well I hope JJ is making some decent coin. Only reason to go there.
Great guy, good Packer.
Deep, deep draft for wideouts per Arrigo.
Went to school and grew up in San Jose. That probably played into it a bit as well. Hope he got some good guaranteed cash, seemed like a very good kid.
Would have liked to see James on some other contender, he deserves it, but don't blame him for taking what is probably the most lucrative deal he received on the market. 30 years old, proably his last deal.
Pack get another comp pick at least yesss!
Pack get another comp pick at least yesss!
Reason enough to hope he garnered a lucrative contract and has a great season!
Some contract details for JJ:
@AdamSchefter: Raiders gave former Packers WR James Jones a three-year, $11.3M deal.
Starks was in Pittsburg but no announcement?
Draft is supposed to be loaded at receiver. Betting a 3rd-5th rounder is picked to be the 4th receiver, and see if he can develop. The money Jones got from Oakland is better used to resign Jordy or Cobb next year.
I don't get it with James Jones. Three years ago he went into FA known for not being able to hang on to the ball. But he really improved in that area, not to where he's just better. I'd say he has fantastic hands now. He may not be an elite receiver, but he's definitely a very solid #3 and maybe a #2 on many teams. I can't understand why teams seem to pass on him. I wanted him back three years ago, and I want him back (at the right price) this year, too! He seems like a humble, quiet leader! Packer People!
Don't forget James Jones dropped some crucial balls in the playoffs last year. That's not quickly forgiven. He's always been streaky, and that game just highlighted his lack of dependability.
Hargrove/Merling signing. May not make the team, depending on draft results. Doesn't look like anything is guaranteed and weekly roster bonuses.
This is very true.
Draft is supposed to be loaded at receiver. Betting a 3rd-5th rounder is picked to be the 4th receiver, and see if he can develop. The money Jones got from Oakland is better used to resign Jordy or Cobb next year.
Indeed. TT is pretty good at finding WRs in the draft, and this is going to be one of those years. I can just feel it.
Starks was in Pittsburg but no announcement?
@TyDunne: In addition to his #Steelers visit, two more teams are interested in James Starks. Source says #Packers are still in the mix.
