Packers Training Camp

There are moments where you can see why Perry was a #1 pick.  He's got very good acceleration straight ahead when he is free to track someone down.  He appears to have above average strength for his size.  However, his biggest weakness as a LB is that he just isn't particularly agile laterally or in pass drops. 

 

If he were a pure 4-3 DE, that probably would be his best position but he's in a system where he's slightly miscast.  I think the Pack hoped he would figure out a way to improve his lateral agility and pass drops, and he has to a point, but his injuries have held him back at least a little bit. 

If he gets and stays healthy for the year he'll get offered a 1 - 2 year prove it deal. That's how Uncle Tranny Ted works. (thanks Henry)

 

I agree with FS, FP93, and H5. 

Before the draft there was a scouting report I read that said Perry had "uncommon balance".  Said he showed that at the combine I believe.  Well I didn't see the combine and I wasn't sure what to make of the comment.  However, it didn't translate to lateral agility as you say. 

Take a good look at Marshawn Lynch/Seahawks highlights from last year v. GB. Then, ask yourself what Perry is good for? Pretty eye opening. Barrington factors in there too on the futility scale.

A tough reality, but, reality. Check it. Sad to watch.

I couldn't agree more.  I think he's just miscast in a 3-4.  Pretty sure Perry said as much in his predraft interviews, that he'd prefer to play with his hand in the dirt.  TT took on the risk that he could make the shift but I just don't think Perry has the side to side agility playing 3-4 OLB requires.  That, and he's always hurt.  Some guys just aren't built for the NFL grind, Perry may be one of them.  

 

But I'll never forget that hit on Luck.  That's as big a hit as I've seen in the NFL in years.  That's the explosiveness I keep hoping shows up consistently on the field.

 

EDIT: Just wanted to add that I think he walks at the end of the year.  TT will give him a fair offer (for his performance as a 3-4 OLB) but if I were Perry, I'd spurn it and go back to a 4-3 defense.   

Put Clay in the discussion as well.

White has had a very good camp and Janis has struggled. I go with the player most ready to contribute and that's not a particularly close call. 

 

As far as Perry goes, he's serviceable but has never approached his draft position even when healthy. Too many durability issues and don't see the team making him an offer after the season.

Found on the internet: What I think MM and TT were hoping to accomplish this off-season was this: Keep the core of the team intact. Improve the below average play on Special Teams and MLB to at least average and we’re in the Super Bowl. Assuming The Pack stays healthy, their plan looks to be in good shape as of today.

 

I think the team makes an offer, but it's probably not one Perry will accept. OLB will be a top priority in the draft next year IMO unless guys like Elliot and Mulumba make big leaps. How many good pass rushers do you need? More.

White vs. Janis tough, Janis looks like a better player down the road though. I think he offers good size and more flexibility while White is limited with what he can offer. Janis looks like a leaner version of Jordy Nelson out there, a lot of similarities...taller, good hands, long strider, deceptive speed. He's not a finished product yet, but I think in the long run he's the better option. White has looked really fast and quick and he seems to really know the offense, but he's smaller and I can't see him holding up against more physical CBs or going over the middle. Like I said it's tough, I won't be surprised if they keep 6 WRs.

Josh Walker looking good.

 

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...r-thompson/31508141/

 

Agree with your points about the WRs, GD. White deserves a hell of a lot of credit and may well stick, but his value is as a slot backup to Cobb, and even with Abby's woes the drafting of Montgomery takes care of that. Janis! offers such upside if he can learn the finer aspects of the position.

 

I would say that, reading tea leaves from afar, Rodgers is not in the Janis! camp. Too much snark directed at 83! from time to time. Come on Aaron, put your arm around the small-town boy and start making him feel good about himself.

 

Oh wow I didn't know Rodgers had a problem with him. I know he has high expectations and doesn't seem to coddle young players, which is frustrating for them I'm sure, but I think it either pushes them to practice better or it weeds out the weak links. I know this about White: when the #1 O would practice in the Hutson center before practice actually started, White was in there with them and Janis was not FWIW.

I really like Josh Walker. He just looked like he belonged. Down the road he could end up being a good one!

I loved Janis' upside last year but I need to see some of it converted into production and so far there's nothing. He's got a long ways to go before I'd even be comfortable mentioning him in the same sentence as Jordy.

 

Looks to me like he might be a candidate for the PS. Let him develop there instead of taking up a valuable roster spot.

You just did.  

Let's not forget we've got 4 preseason games yet where one of those two guys could differentiate themselves.  Much more valuable than practices.

Janis is a physical specimen but I think you are starting to see why he was a Division II guy and a 7th round pick.  Great straight line speed but average hands and mediocre route runner.  I hope he improves but I'd rather see Abbrederis make the team than him.

When you just look at the pure measurable athletic tests, Janis is near the top of the heap at many of them which get you excited about his potential.  However, the honest truth is, there's been dozens of guys over the years with great athletic tools at the WR position who couldn't translate those athletic tools into being a quality NFL receiver. 

 

Trying to catch a football while running at top speed against NFL caliber DBs who will do anything they can to stop you is something that sometimes even many of the greatest pure run/jump/strength athletes find they have problems doing.  Being able to catch a football consistently in an NFL game vs. NFL caliber DBs consistently is a skill that very few in the world possess no matter how strong they are and how fast they can run. 

 

Hand eye coordination and body control are a couple of athletic tools that are tougher to measure, and those might not be Janis' strengths which might be part of the reason he is struggling a bit despite some of the other great athletic tools.

Or get injured.

 

blasphemer!

What I've read coming out of camp is Janis is up and down this summer.  He makes great flash plays one moment, then drops one the next.  It doesn't look like he has any problem on the skills side but still lacks consistency.  MM also said he was ready at the end of last season but just didn't get the opportunities.  Doesn't mean somebody couldn't pass him by but his demise at this point is greatly exaggerated.

 

There was (and probably still is?) a lot of excitement for JJ last year being another long shot reciever making the squad but it seems like Adams being ready to dominate and Montgomery being the new girl with the curl has damped some of that.

"A physical specimen at 6 foot 3 inches and 219 pounds, Janis looks like Nelson's clone but can't sink his hips and maneuver in close quarters like the team's star. At times, he looks to be a straight-line speed receiver."

 

"In addition, Janis has dropped more than his share of passes.

I'd say he's not a confident catcher, a snatcher, right now," Van Pelt. "He's doing a lot of body catching"

 

This from todays JSO.

 

Linky: Janis Struggling in camp

Does Billy Shroeder have a son?

For the love of God...if he's a "snatcher"... cut him...now. You can't rehab a snatcher.

 

 

 

Talked to a few Packers coaches this week, they're planning to work on their hurry up offense in NE. They want a faster paced offense

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MM wants the foot on the gas right away this season. Good. 

 

I hope this translates into huge margins of victories against lesser opponents...crush them and listen to the cries of their women.

 

If the mindset has truly changed as a result of last years last game,  which will go unmentioned, then we should see some huge beat downs this season...and a team that learns to enjoy cut throat football.

 

Use the 4th quarter as a live practice to work the 2nd string...with a 50 pt. lead.

 

I can dream.

 

I think that can be considered mentioning it.

They better start fast. 4 of their first 6 are at home and 6 of their last 10 are on the road.

except during the season they did this and left the defense on the field for the whole game, especially if there was a 3 and out, I don't like the hurry up as a modus operandi.

I agree Pkr North.

No huddle is great to change tempo or to establish some dominance over a D, but it can bite you in the ass if you fail to convert downs/scores.

I want to see our offense equally effective, huddle or no. We have the personnel to be just that. But, wtf, I'm wanting perfection... Spoiled rotten.

The hurry up is great if you can catch the D in a favorable personnel grouping and not allow substitutions. GB has done a really great job of finding players who can do everything, not just niche players...TEs that can play FB, FBs that can run, 4-down RB, WRs who can play any position, etc. that allows you to keep the same personnel groups and wait until the substitutes in a way that you want and then go hurry up and exploit that weakness. It's a great strategy, especially when you have 11 veteran players on O who are all savvy enough to understand situational football. In that way the hurry up/no huddle is a really killed idea.

Pretty big day for me as we're taking my son up to GB for the first time. Showing him the stadium tonight then practice tomorrow. Any tips on when to line up for the bike rides?

Get there early! Seats are being gobbled up by 6 am. Same with bike positions. You'll see where the bikes are lining up by that time, easy.

Bring a cooler with some stuff, maybe a chair or two and just hang out nearby. Gotta make a day of it.

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Grave Digger, you are not kidding. Our personnel is spectacular for the hurry up, and keeping opponents in mismatches. The only problem is when we get bad drops, bad blocks, bad runs, bad protections forcing bad throws... Our #1 offense looked pretty sloppy last night, and put all that bad stuff on display, killing scores. I'm sure they will clean that up.

Extremely vanilla O last night, very short playbook as AR said. 1st time in the hurry up with Clements calling plays so we should expect some hiccups. 33 offensive plays in the 1st quarter is sick. Belichick didn't like that at all, regardless of the little point production for the Packers.

 

 

The positive is that they did move the ball, against a pretty stout D. Plenty of good plays in there.

With all the limits the new CBA has on practicing, the preseason is heavily weighted toward EVALUATION.  Gameplanning is at a minimum and the real intent is on getting tape on all the young guys.  How do they perform under the lights, in situational football, vs. the guy across from him.  Last night was all about individuals winning the battles more than about the team winning the war.

 

That said, I was a little disappointed our #1 WR's weren't getting much separation vs. a NE secondary that was half scrubs.

How about Alonzo Harris? Man, did he show well. His elusiveness, and his vision and power were all on display last night.

3rd rated RB from the last draft class in elusiveness:  https://www.profootballfocus.c...unning-backs-part-1/

Good to see. John Crockett also had a nice night.

For 8 AM practices, we usually have our seats by 7 because really fills up fast. I would get my seats, put a blanket down, and tell an attendant that your going to do the bike stuff and to save your seats. They give up saved seats 10 min after practice starts, but they're pretty nice people so I think if you tell them they will give you a break.

Keep and eye out for where the yellow cherry pickers with camera men in them are. Whichever side of the field they are on is where they will do the majority of the team activities other than some  individual drills.

Thanks, good info all!

This is getting pretty interesting for we armchair GM's.   I agree that Janis/White/Abbrederis is going to be an interesting and close call.  To me, 

White excites me one minute, then drops an easy pass the next.  I don't like

inconsistency, and I don't think AR or MM do, either.  Abby brings out the homer in me,

but can he take the hits and keep on ticking?   And Janis seems to lack Rodgers' 

trust and also is up one day and missing the next.

 

I, too, had hoped we'd keep 6 WR's, but now I'm thinking our top 5 are terrific, and maybe we should keep the extra RB's instead.  Sure, it's too early by far to say, but Alonzo, Crockett (who needs to wear a coonskin cap under that helmet, btw), Starks and Lacy are all looking darned good.  I'd say if either Alonzo or Crockett were on the PS, they would be snatched up immediately.   And, yes, Starks in the last year of his contract, but I like the guy, and think we should use him this year to ease Alonzo and/or Crocket into the game and then let him try to find a big contract elsewhere and let Alonzo and Crocket step up with one year under their belt.

 

And FB Rip sounds like he's going to be a staple of the special teams.   So one of the big questions to me is whether or not he can pick up QB protection fast or not.  If not, we probably need the dependable John Kuhn 1 more season (like Starks).  If not, MAYBE Rip gets thrown into the fire.  But, jeez, Kuhn is like a health insurance policy on Rodgers, and there's not much more important than that.

 

I look at it this way:  I don't think I would care too much if the Vikings end up signing Miles White.  If they signed Janis, it would make me feel a little uneasy.

I noticed that Kuhn was in the game way later than any of the regular offensive players (second half), seemed strange to me?