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The national narrative is that the Packers are going to get punched in the mouth and the Niners are going to run the ball down their throats.

I think the national media has the narrative wrong in that they are framing this like the Niners have a power running game and a guy like Dillon.

The Niners ran up all those yards but getting on the edge and exploiting the Packers' lack of speed at linebacker, or spreading them out in shotgun and running into 7 man boxes. The rushing defense was horrific no matter how you look at it, but Samuel and Mostert had 9 carries for 168 yards if you just count plays of 9 or more yards. They were getting explosive runs, not necessarily controlling the game by picking up 4 or 5 yards at a time. The Niners longest TD drive was 3:55.

The other 33 carries for the Niners netted 117 yards. Still an issue, but what beat them was the Niners getting running plays that went for 36, 34, 32, 18, 13, 11, 11, 10, and 9 yards.

These types of plays either come from your DE/edge rushers not setting an edge or your ILBs and safeties getting exposed in the middle of the field. The former you can fix schematically, but the latter is just often a lack of speed. The Packers ILB that game were Martinez and TJ Goodson. Amos got hurt early in the game and was replaced by Will Redmond at safety. Kevin King played 96% of the defensive snaps. The Packers also schemed to make sure George Kittle didn't go off like he didn't against them them that regular season. Again, their lack of speed and talent in the middle of the defense killed the because their ILBs were of no resistance. Their lack of speed in the middle of the field killed them either way.

After that game, the Packers decided they were were not interested in keeping Martinez who was a solid ILB but lacked the speed to be playable against that type of running scheme. They took a shot with Kirksey last year and missed, but hit a home run this year with Campbell.

If (and it's a big if) Alexander can play a majority of the snaps, their CBs will have gone from Alexander in his rookie year, Kevin King, and the oldest CB in the league (Tramon) to Stokes, Douglas, and Alexander. That's also a huge upgrade in talent and especially speed.

@H5 posted:

This absolutely has me JACKED UP!!! This is the attitude we need from our OLBs. Don't go chasing those sack numbers. No one care if you got a sack in a game you LOST.

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The national narrative is that the Packers are going to get punched in the mouth and the Niners are going to run the ball down their throats.

National narrative please. That was two years ago..

As MP noted, and considering that Rashen tweet, this is a very different GB team - personnel, experience, mindset.

This ain't Detroit man... where they forgot their job(s) and were called out by MiLF.

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Do I blame this thread for planting the seed of what’s happening today? Yes.

I also thank this thread for planting the seed of what’s happening today.

Go Pack!!!

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If (and it's a big if) Alexander can play a majority of the snaps, their CBs will have gone from Alexander in his rookie year, Kevin King, and the oldest CB in the league (Tramon) to Stokes, Douglas, and Alexander. That's also a huge upgrade in talent and especially speed.

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@H5 posted:

Loved watching Juszczyk running around looking for somebody, anybody to block.

I woke up today feeling good. Stark difference to what I felt in week 3.  49ers won’t be easy out but Packers are better team, just play our game and win pulling away.

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Can the Packers DL get pressure and force a turnover or two?

Can the Packers OL keep Rodgers clean?

Can Rodgers take what the D gives him and avoid falling in to the trap of holding on too long?

Can anyone stop Kittle and Deebo?

Have the same feeling I had going in to the TB game last year. This just feels like the team that presents the worst matchup for the Packers right now, and I don't feel good about any of the questions above. The Defense has been atrocious since the Seattle game and I'm not confident that Alexander jumps immediately in to Pro Bowl mode after a huge layoff. I think the game thread is going to be full of asking why no one can cover Kittle or Deebo. Niners front 7 is too much for the OL, Packers run game is ineffective for the most part and Rodgers is under pressure far too often. Niners get up early, force GB in to catchup mode, and they can't ever get over the hump.  Late back breaking TD drive by the Niners ends it.

34-19 Niners.

I put on Bill Michaels show to catch Mike Clemens report about IR roster moves. But Bill said this about Keke in response to fan worried about cutting him week b4 playoffs:

“He would flash then disappear for a few weeks. Keke is a 4-3 not 3-4 guy, more suited for G/C (middle) than outside. He’s not long (arms) or athletic enough to get around guys” (on edge).

That makes sense to me, Kenny Clark clogs up the middle and we needed room for returning injured players. But something else happening as he missed 2-3 games for “personal reasons”after he cleared COVID protocol.

He was claimed by Houston, bummer for him but @ least Tampa or SF didn’t snatch him up for playoffs.

So we've all heard what the Packers are gonna face in this Niners' team: the ferocious front 7, the impossible to stop running game and the genius of their HC.

Hmm. They're a good team.

The Niners' offensive line, which is very good, will have to figure out a way to block the Packers defensive front.

  • 249 pressures, or the amount created by the quartet of Rashan Gary (81), Kenny Clark (64), Preston Smith (62) and Dean Lowry (42). The Packers were the only team in the NFL with two interior rushers producing at least 40 pressures and two edge rushers producing at least 60 pressures. The Packers had only 251 total pressures as a team all of last season.

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The Niners' offensive line will also have to deal with a Packers' Dline rotation that' adding (hopefully) Whitney Mercilus and Z'Darius Smith to that pressure creating D.

The Niners' offense will have to figure out a way to move the ball against a LB crew that will have 1st Team All-Pro and MLB De'Vondre Campbell and another MLB in Krys Barnes that only played part of the first half due to injury in the meeting earlier this year.  The Niners first first four possessions of the game resulted in 68 yards of offense, 1 TO, and no points.  They only had 100 total yards in the first half, even without Barnes.

The Niners' QB is gonna have to figure out how to pass to his WRs against the likes of a returning (hopefully) CBs Jaire Alexander, Pro-Bowler Rasul Douglas and a much more experienced All-Rookie Team Eric Stokes.

The Niners' offense is not going to have a favorable home crowd, a soft green field, or balmy fall temps to execute their plan in.  If nothing, the temperature and conditions should slow down their attack.  And unlike year's past, I don't really think they feature that "power running game".

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to cover 1st Team All-Pro Davante Adams.  That's something they've not really done yet in DA's career.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to stop GB's running game.  The Packers' duo of AJ & AJ (Jones and Dillon) is one of the best in the NFL. They combine speed, power, and finesse, and both are threats out of the backfield to get chunk plays in the passing game.

The Niners' defense won't be going against a LT making his first start in Nijman, two rookies in Myers and Newman making their third career starts, and an inexperienced backup in Runyan. Even with that Oline, they did a pretty fantastic job earlier this year. Now bring "bak" All-Pro LT David Bakhtiari to go with the in-season experience of the others and it's looking pretty good.  No Elgton Jenkins....well, he didn't play in the first game either.

The Niners' defense is going to have to contend with one of the greatest QBs of all-time, reigning MVP and probable season MVP in Aaron Rodgers. The defense will have to adjust at the line to his adjustment.  The defense will have to constantly be aware of his cadence and ability to draw to defense offsides.  The defense will need to try to fluster a QB who is not easily flustered and understands the importance up stepping up in the pocket to buy time.  The defense will need to figure out how to stop a passing attack that is predicated on precise routes, quick releases, precision ball placement and accuracy.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out a way to combat GB's own offensive whiz kid Matt LaFleur.  Offense is his specialty, and he's been pretty good in his chess matches against all defenses.  It's why he's been the winning HC of more games in the first 3 seasons of a career than any other HC in the history of the NFL.

The Niners, as a team, are gonna have go on the road and figure out a way to beat the elements, beat the crowd, and beat the team with the best record in the NFL that's coming off a bye week, that's rested and has healthy players returning to game action, and a hell of a deep roster filled with stars on both sides of the ball.



Indeed, the Packers will be facing a very good team and difficult opponent this evening. But the Niners have their own worries as they face one of, if not the best, team in the NFL.  In fact, the Niners have plenty to worry about.

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@Timpranillo posted:


Have the same feeling I had going in to the TB game last year. This just feels like the team that presents the worst matchup for the Packers right now, and I don't feel good about any of the questions above.

They are. About time we beat one of those teams. The NFL playoffs do not give teams the opportunity to avoid good teams.

After watching the film of SF v Dallas last week.  Troy Aikman said Dallas followed the plan and the scheme last week and stuck to it for 60 minutes.
Only the film said Dak should have gone to Cooper and Lamb all day because SF was man coverage but Mike McCarthy was dug in with his plan scheme. He didn’t see what was happening.
Troy said if it was him Irvin would have had 10 receptions before halftime against that defense. And he’d keep throwing a defense out of it.
Adams will feast until SF is forced to stop it. Then Dillon happens.

@PackLandVA posted:

So we've all heard what the Packers are gonna face in this Niners' team: the ferocious front 7, the impossible to stop running game and the genius of their HC.

Hmm. They're a good team.

The Niners' offensive line, which is very good, will have to figure out a way to block the Packers defensive front.

  • 249 pressures, or the amount created by the quartet of Rashan Gary (81), Kenny Clark (64), Preston Smith (62) and Dean Lowry (42). The Packers were the only team in the NFL with two interior rushers producing at least 40 pressures and two edge rushers producing at least 60 pressures. The Packers had only 251 total pressures as a team all of last season.

Link

The Niners' offensive line will also have to deal with a Packers' Dline rotation that' adding (hopefully) Whitney Mercilus and Z'Darius Smith to that pressure creating D.

The Niners' offense will have to figure out a way to move the ball against a LB crew that will have 1st Team All-Pro and MLB De'Vondre Campbell and another MLB in Krys Barnes that only played part of the first half due to injury in the meeting earlier this year.  The Niners first first four possessions of the game resulted in 68 yards of offense, 1 TO, and no points.  They only had 100 total yards in the first half, even without Barnes.

The Niners' QB is gonna have to figure out how to pass to his WRs against the likes of a returning (hopefully) CBs Jaire Alexander, Pro-Bowler Rasul Douglas and a much more experienced All-Rookie Team Eric Stokes.

The Niners' offense is not going to have a favorable home crowd, a soft green field, or balmy fall temps to execute their plan in.  If nothing, the temperature and conditions should slow down their attack.  And unlike year's past, I don't really think they feature that "power running game".

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to cover 1st Team All-Pro Davante Adams.  That's something they've not really done yet in DA's career.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to stop GB's running game.  The Packers' duo of AJ & AJ (Jones and Dillon) is one of the best in the NFL. They combine speed, power, and finesse, and both are threads out of the backfield to get chunk plays in the passing game.

The Niners' defense won't be going against a LT making his first start in Nijman, two rookies in Myers and Newman making their third career starts, and an inexperienced backup in Runyan. Even with that Oline, they did a pretty fantastic job earlier this year. Now bring "bak" All-Pro LT David Bakhtiari to go with the in-season experience of the others and it's looking pretty good.  No Elgton Jenkins....well, he didn't play in the first game either.

The Niners' defense is going to have to contend with one of the greatest QBs of all-time, reigning MVP and probable season MVP in Aaron Rodgers. The defense will have to adjust at the line to his adjustment.  The defense will have to constantly be aware of his cadence and ability to draw to defense offsides.  The defense will need to try to fluster a QB who is not easily flustered and understands the importance up stepping up in the pocket to buy time.  The defense will need to figure out how to stop a passing attack that is predicated on precise routes, quick releases, precision ball placement and accuracy.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out a way to combat GB's own offensive whiz kid Matt LaFleur.  Offense is his specialty, and he's been pretty good in his chess matches against all defenses.  It's why he's been the winning HC of more games in the first 3 seasons of a career than any other HC in the history of the NFL.

The Niners, as a team, are gonna have go on the road and figure out a way to beat the elements, beat the crowd, and beat the team with the best record in the NFL that's coming off a bye week, that's rested and has healthy players returning to game action, and a hell of a deep roster filled with stars on both sides of the ball.



Indeed, the Packers will be facing a very good team and difficult opponent this evening. But the Niners have their own worries as they face one of, if not the best, team in the NFL.  In fact, the Niners have plenty to worry about.

We have a winner!!!!!!

@PackLandVA posted:

So we've all heard what the Packers are gonna face in this Niners' team: the ferocious front 7, the impossible to stop running game and the genius of their HC.

Hmm. They're a good team.

The Niners' offensive line, which is very good, will have to figure out a way to block the Packers defensive front.

  • 249 pressures, or the amount created by the quartet of Rashan Gary (81), Kenny Clark (64), Preston Smith (62) and Dean Lowry (42). The Packers were the only team in the NFL with two interior rushers producing at least 40 pressures and two edge rushers producing at least 60 pressures. The Packers had only 251 total pressures as a team all of last season.

Link

The Niners' offensive line will also have to deal with a Packers' Dline rotation that' adding (hopefully) Whitney Mercilus and Z'Darius Smith to that pressure creating D.

The Niners' offense will have to figure out a way to move the ball against a LB crew that will have 1st Team All-Pro and MLB De'Vondre Campbell and another MLB in Krys Barnes that only played part of the first half due to injury in the meeting earlier this year.  The Niners first first four possessions of the game resulted in 68 yards of offense, 1 TO, and no points.  They only had 100 total yards in the first half, even without Barnes.

The Niners' QB is gonna have to figure out how to pass to his WRs against the likes of a returning (hopefully) CBs Jaire Alexander, Pro-Bowler Rasul Douglas and a much more experienced All-Rookie Team Eric Stokes.

The Niners' offense is not going to have a favorable home crowd, a soft green field, or balmy fall temps to execute their plan in.  If nothing, the temperature and conditions should slow down their attack.  And unlike year's past, I don't really think they feature that "power running game".

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to cover 1st Team All-Pro Davante Adams.  That's something they've not really done yet in DA's career.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to stop GB's running game.  The Packers' duo of AJ & AJ (Jones and Dillon) is one of the best in the NFL. They combine speed, power, and finesse, and both are threats out of the backfield to get chunk plays in the passing game.

The Niners' defense won't be going against a LT making his first start in Nijman, two rookies in Myers and Newman making their third career starts, and an inexperienced backup in Runyan. Even with that Oline, they did a pretty fantastic job earlier this year. Now bring "bak" All-Pro LT David Bakhtiari to go with the in-season experience of the others and it's looking pretty good.  No Elgton Jenkins....well, he didn't play in the first game either.

The Niners' defense is going to have to contend with one of the greatest QBs of all-time, reigning MVP and probable season MVP in Aaron Rodgers. The defense will have to adjust at the line to his adjustment.  The defense will have to constantly be aware of his cadence and ability to draw to defense offsides.  The defense will need to try to fluster a QB who is not easily flustered and understands the importance up stepping up in the pocket to buy time.  The defense will need to figure out how to stop a passing attack that is predicated on precise routes, quick releases, precision ball placement and accuracy.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out a way to combat GB's own offensive whiz kid Matt LaFleur.  Offense is his specialty, and he's been pretty good in his chess matches against all defenses.  It's why he's been the winning HC of more games in the first 3 seasons of a career than any other HC in the history of the NFL.

The Niners, as a team, are gonna have go on the road and figure out a way to beat the elements, beat the crowd, and beat the team with the best record in the NFL that's coming off a bye week, that's rested and has healthy players returning to game action, and a hell of a deep roster filled with stars on both sides of the ball.



Indeed, the Packers will be facing a very good team and difficult opponent this evening. But the Niners have their own worries as they face one of, if not the best, team in the NFL.  In fact, the Niners have plenty to worry about.

Yah, but they beat us years ago. 🙄

@PackLandVA posted:

So we've all heard what the Packers are gonna face in this Niners' team: the ferocious front 7, the impossible to stop running game and the genius of their HC.

Hmm. They're a good team.

The Niners' offensive line, which is very good, will have to figure out a way to block the Packers defensive front.

  • 249 pressures, or the amount created by the quartet of Rashan Gary (81), Kenny Clark (64), Preston Smith (62) and Dean Lowry (42). The Packers were the only team in the NFL with two interior rushers producing at least 40 pressures and two edge rushers producing at least 60 pressures. The Packers had only 251 total pressures as a team all of last season.

Link

The Niners' offensive line will also have to deal with a Packers' Dline rotation that' adding (hopefully) Whitney Mercilus and Z'Darius Smith to that pressure creating D.

The Niners' offense will have to figure out a way to move the ball against a LB crew that will have 1st Team All-Pro and MLB De'Vondre Campbell and another MLB in Krys Barnes that only played part of the first half due to injury in the meeting earlier this year.  The Niners first first four possessions of the game resulted in 68 yards of offense, 1 TO, and no points.  They only had 100 total yards in the first half, even without Barnes.

The Niners' QB is gonna have to figure out how to pass to his WRs against the likes of a returning (hopefully) CBs Jaire Alexander, Pro-Bowler Rasul Douglas and a much more experienced All-Rookie Team Eric Stokes.

The Niners' offense is not going to have a favorable home crowd, a soft green field, or balmy fall temps to execute their plan in.  If nothing, the temperature and conditions should slow down their attack.  And unlike year's past, I don't really think they feature that "power running game".

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to cover 1st Team All-Pro Davante Adams.  That's something they've not really done yet in DA's career.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out how to stop GB's running game.  The Packers' duo of AJ & AJ (Jones and Dillon) is one of the best in the NFL. They combine speed, power, and finesse, and both are threats out of the backfield to get chunk plays in the passing game.

The Niners' defense won't be going against a LT making his first start in Nijman, two rookies in Myers and Newman making their third career starts, and an inexperienced backup in Runyan. Even with that Oline, they did a pretty fantastic job earlier this year. Now bring "bak" All-Pro LT David Bakhtiari to go with the in-season experience of the others and it's looking pretty good.  No Elgton Jenkins....well, he didn't play in the first game either.

The Niners' defense is going to have to contend with one of the greatest QBs of all-time, reigning MVP and probable season MVP in Aaron Rodgers. The defense will have to adjust at the line to his adjustment.  The defense will have to constantly be aware of his cadence and ability to draw to defense offsides.  The defense will need to try to fluster a QB who is not easily flustered and understands the importance up stepping up in the pocket to buy time.  The defense will need to figure out how to stop a passing attack that is predicated on precise routes, quick releases, precision ball placement and accuracy.

The Niners' defense is gonna have to figure out a way to combat GB's own offensive whiz kid Matt LaFleur.  Offense is his specialty, and he's been pretty good in his chess matches against all defenses.  It's why he's been the winning HC of more games in the first 3 seasons of a career than any other HC in the history of the NFL.

The Niners, as a team, are gonna have go on the road and figure out a way to beat the elements, beat the crowd, and beat the team with the best record in the NFL that's coming off a bye week, that's rested and has healthy players returning to game action, and a hell of a deep roster filled with stars on both sides of the ball.



Indeed, the Packers will be facing a very good team and difficult opponent this evening. But the Niners have their own worries as they face one of, if not the best, team in the NFL.  In fact, the Niners have plenty to worry about.

PackLandVA, GREAT analytical take.  Well done!  I'm pumped up after reading all that!  I'll add this:  SF has a great running scheme and Deebo is really good. But this is not a great OL like the ones in NO, CLE or DAL. LT Williams is still very good but is now 33; LG Tomlinson was a #1 pick DET gave up on: C Mack not what he used to be at 36; RG Brunskill a former college free agent ATL signed in '17 and gave up on; RT McGlinchey former #1 pick on IR so starter is Compton, a 32 year old former 6th round pick who's with his 6th team (WAS, ATL, CHI, MIN, NYJ, SF). Our defensive front 7 should be able to hold their own against the run and really shine when pass rushing. Guess we'll see soon enough.  Go Pack!

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The national narrative is that the Packers are going to get punched in the mouth and the Niners are going to run the ball down their throats.

I think the national media has the narrative wrong in that they are framing this like the Niners have a power running game and a guy like Dillon.

The Niners ran up all those yards but getting on the edge and exploiting the Packers' lack of speed at linebacker, or spreading them out in shotgun and running into 7 man boxes. The rushing defense was horrific no matter how you look at it, but Samuel and Mostert had 9 carries for 168 yards if you just count plays of 9 or more yards. They were getting explosive runs, not necessarily controlling the game by picking up 4 or 5 yards at a time. The Niners longest TD drive was 3:55.

The other 33 carries for the Niners netted 117 yards. Still an issue, but what beat them was the Niners getting running plays that went for 36, 34, 32, 18, 13, 11, 11, 10, and 9 yards.

These types of plays either come from your DE/edge rushers not setting an edge or your ILBs and safeties getting exposed in the middle of the field. The former you can fix schematically, but the latter is just often a lack of speed. The Packers ILB that game were Martinez and TJ Goodson. Amos got hurt early in the game and was replaced by Will Redmond at safety. Kevin King played 96% of the defensive snaps. The Packers also schemed to make sure George Kittle didn't go off like he didn't against them them that regular season. Again, their lack of speed and talent in the middle of the defense killed the because their ILBs were of no resistance. Their lack of speed in the middle of the field killed them either way.

After that game, the Packers decided they were were not interested in keeping Martinez who was a solid ILB but lacked the speed to be playable against that type of running scheme. They took a shot with Kirksey last year and missed, but hit a home run this year with Campbell.

If (and it's a big if) Alexander can play a majority of the snaps, their CBs will have gone from Alexander in his rookie year, Kevin King, and the oldest CB in the league (Tramon) to Stokes, Douglas, and Alexander. That's also a huge upgrade in talent and especially speed.

Was looking for something more detailed than this, but it should suffice.

@H5 posted:

Momma says, life is like a trips wide right, double eagle backside, retro toss, 38 bulldozer.

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How come no one is discussing the white elephant in the room? Or maybe I should be saying the white elephant’s trunk.

Not that they need extra motivation, but trust me, the team is watching all the disrespect the Packers are getting in the media.  According to the media, and a few scared posters here, the 49ers have already won.  I think this is going to be a very motivated and angry team the 49ers are going to face tonight.  Not to mention the talent, home crowd and frigid temperatures. Of course the 49ers are good, as others have said, they’re all good at this stage.  We’re good too.  But we have every edge on our side tonight.  Have faith!  The 49ers are going to get their teeth rattled tonight.

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Chili is made with a seasoned & seared Chuck steak then cubed.

Blended chili purée made with dried Guajillo, ancho, hatch, and Anaheim peppers steeped in hot water for 20 minutes with a couple chipotle peppers & adobo for a little heat.

Everyone in the pool. Some stock & diced onion. Few hours on simmer. perfect bowl of red.

You're a son of a bitch.  Ruined my relaxing Saturday.  Couldn't stop thinking about this.  Using ancho, pasilla, new mexico, jalapeno, and de arbol.

I have been watching more game coverage this week than I usually do and everyone here is right they are all over the 49ers running wild on GB.   I do think they have that capability and they are a very good team on a roll right now.  BUT, the thing that is not really mentioned in the media is that this is a pretty damn good Packers team.  They also have really evolved in to a much better team along the way.

A common theme in the media is that there is very little or no mention of any of the Packers outside of Aaron and as Harry said I would bet this team is taking notice of this.  I hope they come out breathing fire and makes a statement and  crowd senses that and is LOUD. 

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