The "getting owned" is simply over ONE 3rd round pick. A second and a third to move up that much would have been acceptable. But the second 3rd is what bothers people. TT must think he can address the OT with the remaining five picks.
quote:I am a huge TT supporter and I watched a lot of USC last year and I think Belicheck just owned TT.
Matthews was probably the best of that LB group. So he didn't play as much as the other guys - big deal. He worked his way into the lineup and was a difference maker.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
I love the move. Enough with the TT bashing. People bitch if he trades back and then bitch when he moves up.
I don't hear anybody complaining about TT trading up for Matthews. The complaints are in regard to the overpayment of trade value.
i love the move...this is a "weak" draft class by most experts and we got two quality players that fit in with the new defensive scheme. its the homer in me but i think this really improves the D.
They gave up an extra 3rd round pick. Big freaking deal. If it works out TT will look pretty smart.
quote:Originally posted by who:
The "getting owned" is simply over ONE 3rd round pick. A second and a third to move up that much would have been acceptable. But the second 3rd is what bothers people. TT must think he can address the OT with the remaining five picks.
Or with guys already on the team.
Or he could look like a dolt for overpaying for an overachiever that he sees in his image.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by who:
The "getting owned" is simply over ONE 3rd round pick. A second and a third to move up that much would have been acceptable. But the second 3rd is what bothers people. TT must think he can address the OT with the remaining five picks.
Or with guys already on the team.
See my previous post.
quote:Originally posted by who:quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by who:
The "getting owned" is simply over ONE 3rd round pick. A second and a third to move up that much would have been acceptable. But the second 3rd is what bothers people. TT must think he can address the OT with the remaining five picks.
Or with guys already on the team.
See my previous post.
Can't make me.
Guys it's cool. A source of mine tells me that we're going to trade Ryan Grant for a 2nd rounder. So TT probably factored that in when trading up for Clay.
On a serious note, I agree that we came up on the short side for this trade. That said, I'm really really happy that we're coming out of this draft with both Raji and Matthews.
On a serious note, I agree that we came up on the short side for this trade. That said, I'm really really happy that we're coming out of this draft with both Raji and Matthews.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
They gave up an extra 3rd round pick. Big freaking deal. If it works out TT will look pretty smart.
Remember another time the Packers dealt with the Pats, it resulted in Greg Jennings being drafted.
Matthews may turn out to be a great player and I hope he does. But, I still think it was a lot to give up. Screw the part about what the Jets gave us. I don't think that pick or player for the TOG pick even entered into TT's plan. At least I would hope it would not. It's a draft pick in the third round. And, now we are back to the 4th round. But, are there decent O-linemen in the 4th, 5th or after? Probably. This draft was light on corners and safeties.
Quite a surprise, but I thing TT likes it that way. He better hit on this one or....
Quite a surprise, but I thing TT likes it that way. He better hit on this one or....
quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Or he could look like a dolt for overpaying for an overachiever that he sees in his image.
Exactly! Thompson is overpaying so he can draft someone that reminds him of his own scrappy underdog persona! It has nothing to do with acquiring a good player for an extra 3rd round pick!
You have cracked the case, fine sir.
Perhaps you can solve the Jimmy Hoffa thing next?
quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Or he could look like a dolt for overpaying for an overachiever that he sees in his image.
"The stupid just flows" - Coach
Max - I just didn't think pick #89 would be made by the Packers. That's all.
For the rest that think I'm bashing TT - who is going to play RT? Even if Matthews is all that and a bag of chips, there is currently still a mondo-sized, gaping hole at RT. There were certainly plenty of possible RTs on the board that are probably much better options that the Packers currently have on the roster.
IF the Packers get at least average play at RT this season, this COULD turn into a mega-awesome trade.
For the rest that think I'm bashing TT - who is going to play RT? Even if Matthews is all that and a bag of chips, there is currently still a mondo-sized, gaping hole at RT. There were certainly plenty of possible RTs on the board that are probably much better options that the Packers currently have on the roster.
IF the Packers get at least average play at RT this season, this COULD turn into a mega-awesome trade.
Anybody have that pickoff by Matthews in the senior-type bowl ... I remember tehm showing the clip on the NFL Network.
Towards the sideline, it was one of the most athletic plays I've seen from a LB. I had to do double-take because it was awesome, its the only reason i remember because I had not seen Matthews before that.
If that is the sign of things to come, it is comforting.
Update: It was Matthews Pro day.
Mayock had him as the best of the USC LB's ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI7dA3UttUM
Towards the sideline, it was one of the most athletic plays I've seen from a LB. I had to do double-take because it was awesome, its the only reason i remember because I had not seen Matthews before that.
If that is the sign of things to come, it is comforting.
Update: It was Matthews Pro day.
Mayock had him as the best of the USC LB's ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI7dA3UttUM
I guess this means no punter in the 3rd round.
Kevin Greene is happy.
quote:there is currently still a mondo-sized, gaping hole at RT.
Draft isn't over yet & Tauscher isn't retired. I know Tauscher probably won't start in Sept. but we had a gaping hole at OLB too. Now we don't. Now we got a 3 down player and according to Dom Capers he believes Raji can be a 3-down player too
Is five picks enough to get one OT?
quote:Originally posted by who:
I guess this means no punter in the 3rd round.
Now that's funny or no Torrance Marshall, or Abdul Hodge
Yes sir, I believe it is.
quote:Originally posted by cuqui:
Kevin Greene is happy.
No doubt about it.
quote:Originally posted by who:
I guess this means no punter in the 3rd round.
This seems like a pretty heavy price to pay but I happen to agree with the organizational stance that they have a more talented team than their 6-10 would tend to indicate. So why not roll the dice to try to shore up the most vital position in the new defensive scheme?
I have no problem with this. Yeah, would have been nice to keep one of those 3rd rounders but whats the point in complaining. Like we know anything. Obviously Thompson and Co. really wanted Matthews to make the move. Raji/Matthews in day 1...sounds like a success so far to me. Matthews, even if he doesn't start, will make an impact on special teams, and Raji gives the team more depth at D-line, especially at NT.
Sounds good to me
Sounds good to me
quote:Originally posted by Boris:quote:there is currently still a mondo-sized, gaping hole at RT.
Draft isn't over yet & Tauscher isn't retired. I know Tauscher probably won't start in Sept. but we had a gaping hole at OLB too. Now we don't. Now we got a 3 down player and according to Dom Capers he believes Raji can be a 3-down player too
I like the Raji pick, but would have preferred Crabtree - but still a good pick. I also like Matthews as a player, but I personally think OT was a position in much more dire need of a boost.
Currently, the cupboard looks pretty bare:
Giacomoni, Sitton, Barbre, Colledge, or 4th round pick or later.
Granted, someone like Levi Brown could get cut, but that is a hope and prayer. MM stated Tauscher was out until at least October. This doesn't even factor the potential moving of a pegged starter (Sitton or Colledge) or the fact that Clifton's play slipped last year.
I don't want to be a negative nelly, but just trying to explain why I felt the amount TT gave up was too much.
My confort is that the Packer scouts and coaches know a whole hell of a lot more about this than I do. So, I might bitch and moan but if they've been doing their job, then they are the best to evaluate the talent.
So, what's that 4th round talent looking like??
So, what's that 4th round talent looking like??
Available at #41 could have been Everette Brown, Connor Barwin, & Clint Sintim.
I like Barwin almost as much as Matthews, but more knowing we would have two 3rd rounders left for T & CB talent.
I like Barwin almost as much as Matthews, but more knowing we would have two 3rd rounders left for T & CB talent.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
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Packer fans here are happy about the 2 1st rounders.
I love the players and I don't think TT had to give up too much.
While it is more than the Pick Value Chart tells us, It's quite obvious TT thought very highly of Matthews.
Our defense just got a TON better.
Agreed........
quote:Currently, the cupboard looks pretty bare:Giacomoni, Sitton, Barbre, Colledge, or 4th round pick or later.
Did we trade our 2008 Pro-Bowl left tackle suddenly?
Would anyone prefer Clint Sintim LB Virginia? Just went to NYG at #45
Yes TT overpaid but I like the shift from quantity to quality. He identified player he wanted and went out and got him.
Yes TT overpaid but I like the shift from quantity to quality. He identified player he wanted and went out and got him.
quote:Originally posted by who:quote:Currently, the cupboard looks pretty bare:Giacomoni, Sitton, Barbre, Colledge, or 4th round pick or later.
Did we trade our 2008 Pro-Bowl left tackle suddenly?
Obviously referring to the RT position - guess I shouldn't have assumed everyone would pick that up.
If you look later in the post, I also refer to Clifton's play slippling as well.
quote:Originally posted by GreenBayLA:
Would anyone prefer Clint Sintim LB Virginia? Just went to NYG at #45
Rich Eisen on NFLN: "The Giants in essence just traded Jeremy Shockey for Clint Sintim".
quote:Originally posted by Koopla Krash:quote:Originally posted by Boris:
[QUOTE]there is currently still a mondo-sized, gaping hole at RT.
Currently, the cupboard looks pretty bare:
Giacomoni, Sitton, Barbre, Colledge, or 4th round pick or later.
.
Missing a few players there. Spitz, Wells and Molls.
But I agree O-Line is questionable
Clifton/College I hope can do the job at left tackle.
Guard and Center Ok.
RT yea.
But at least the packers addressed there biggest problem the front seven.
The key to the Packers season is how well the 1 and 2 nd year players develop.
quote:Originally posted by who:
Is five picks enough to get one OT?
Yup, I missed Tony Moll. My bad. If he end up starting at RT, I don't think he is even average - probably bottom 1/3 in the league.
Again talking solely RT and the shuffling around of starters to different postitions it may require to put the best OL on the field.
Again talking solely RT and the shuffling around of starters to different postitions it may require to put the best OL on the field.
quote:Originally posted by Koopla Krash:
Currently, the cupboard looks pretty bare:
Giacomoni, Sitton, Barbre, Colledge, or 4th round pick or later.
Colledge and Spitz are set. What do you know about the development of Sitton (who was tabbed as a RT replacement for Tauscher when drafted) or Babre (who is extremely talented but needed time to mature)? Obviously nothing if you're going call the cupboard "bare".
quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
I think this pick could go either way. Hhe doesen't have much starting experience, really never put up much sack numbers, some whispers about roids, played alongside two other high drafted lb's, overachiever. Hard working and all that kinda thing but what did that really get us with Aj Hawk.
Or he becomes a instinctive playmaker like guys Patriots had such as Vrabel and Brusci that become key cogs in a system. Time will tell.
Wow...way to go out on a limb there. Thank the lord you didn't anoint Matthews as the next coming of Lawrence Taylor.
Making this bold of a move, trading up and obviously coming out on the short end of the value of picks, and taking a player who was a one year starter and totaled 5.5 sacks during his entire college career (5 years) is way, way, way, way, way too risky of a move for my taste.
No way anybody can say that TT is only interested in "football players" exclusively. This guy was drafted on his measurables alone. I'm not saying that this guy is an automatic bust (guys with these types of resumes often succeed in the NFL), and I had him as a first rounder on my board. But this is definitely a roll of the dice on a "workout warrior" and to try to spin it any other way would just be totally ignoring the facts.
No way anybody can say that TT is only interested in "football players" exclusively. This guy was drafted on his measurables alone. I'm not saying that this guy is an automatic bust (guys with these types of resumes often succeed in the NFL), and I had him as a first rounder on my board. But this is definitely a roll of the dice on a "workout warrior" and to try to spin it any other way would just be totally ignoring the facts.