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GBFanForLife posted:

Kenny Clark's 41 pressures this year are fourth most in the league among defensive tackles, trailing only All-Pro veterans Aaron Donald, Calais Campbell & Fletcher Cox.

 

https://www.packers.com/news/k...eoVPLeaJgILoXUtReeP0

So does that mean he's good, or mediocre like Martinez?

Good grief, can someone help a brother out?



BTW, one knock on Gute (and before that TT) is that we have ignored the DL position minus Clark for way too long along with inside LB. I understand in 2021 apparently that was a bad draft for NT/interior DL but that was not the case in previous years. The Packers need to spend a high pick on a Kenny Clark 2.0 to place along side him in 2022.

Ditto ILB. I am hoping the clear difference in play with Campbell is showing Gute the importance of that role as well. Some are saying Campbells level of play hasn't been seen since the days of (pre-injured) Desmond Bishop. Which feels like a lifetime ago   

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@packerboi posted:

BTW, one knock on Gute (and before that TT) is that we have ignored the DL position minus Clark for way too long along with inside LB. I understand in 2021 apparently that was a bad draft for NT/interior DL but that was not the case in previous years. The Packers need to spend a high pick on a Kenny Clark 2.0 to place along side him in 2022.

Ditto ILB. I am hoping the clear difference in play with Campbell is showing Gute the importance of that role as well. Some are saying Campbells level of play hasn't been seen since the days of (pre-injured) Desmond Bishop. Which feels like a lifetime ago   

Oh but Gunt tried to draft ILB or DT but it just didn't work out.

Who could fault him really.  He tried.

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Our ILB and DT/DE draftees since 2016...I didn't include OLB. ** = No longer with team.

1 stud, a couple of serviceable guys, couple of ST guys, the rest pffft. Jury still out on Slaton, McDuffie and Garvin.



2021

Tedarrell Slaton, DL, Florida (5th Round)
Isaiah McDuffie, LB, Boston College (6th Round)

2020

Kamal Martin, LB, Minnesota (5th Round)**
Jonathan Garvin, DE, Miami (7th Round)


2019

Kingsley Keke, DT, Texas A&M (5th Round)
Ty Summers, LB, TCU (7th Round)

2018

Oren Burks, LB, Vanderbilt (3rd Round)
James Looney, DE, Cal (7th Round)**

2017

Montravious Adams, DT, Auburn (3rd Round)**
Vince Biegel, LB, Bucky (4th Round)**

2016

Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA (1st Round)
Blake Martinez, LB, Stanford (4th Round)**
Dean Lowry, DE, Northwestern (4th Round)

@packerboi posted:

BTW, one knock on Gute (and before that TT) is that we have ignored the DL position minus Clark for way too long along with inside LB. I understand in 2021 apparently that was a bad draft for NT/interior DL but that was not the case in previous years. The Packers need to spend a high pick on a Kenny Clark 2.0 to place along side him in 2022.

Ditto ILB. I am hoping the clear difference in play with Campbell is showing Gute the importance of that role as well. Some are saying Campbells level of play hasn't been seen since the days of (pre-injured) Desmond Bishop. Which feels like a lifetime ago   

I don't think Gute will ever get it. He can leave anytime.

Spree not only had a weakness for the ladies, but he also had a weakness for paying a lot of people to do shit for him he could have done for himself. I know his former assistant coach from the Warriors...said he paid some dude $1000 a week to basically go get him fast food and organize his closet. Also paid a personal chef $3000 a month to keep his house, fridge stocked with ready to eat meals which he threw out 95% of the time...because he was always sending out his guy to get Popeye's or McDonald's.

@Chongo posted:

Spree not only had a weakness for the ladies, but he also had a weakness for paying a lot of people to do shit for him he could have done for himself. I know his former assistant coach from the Warriors...said he paid some dude $1000 a week to basically go get him fast food and organize his closet. Also paid a personal chef $3000 a month to keep his house, fridge stocked with ready to eat meals which he threw out 95% of the time...because he was always sending out his guy to get Popeye's or McDonald's.

I was about the same age as Sprewell and played in some lower level summer leagues around Wisconsin while I was in high school (also my uncle was a fairly prominent high school coach and knew Jack and Dick Bennett well and was very familiar with Wisconsin HS basketball). I never saw Sprewell at any of the tournaments but I heard multiple stories about how Spree was probably the best player to come out of Wisconsin in a long time, but that no one wanted to recruit him (Marquette, Wisconsin, UWGB, Chicago schools, etc.) because he had a reputation for being a complete POS even in high school. The talent was not worth the hassle. Spree played for Milwaukee Washington along with Calvin Raford (who was a very short PG who later played backup PG for Kansas in some Final 4s). There was also a guy named a big guy -probably 6'10" on that same team that Majerus recruited to Utah, but Miles was accused of multiple sexual assaults in high school and never went to college.

Spree has to go to junior college because no D1 team would touch him even after he averaged 30 points a game as a senior. He behaved enough to get to Alabama where he played on a team with Robert Horry and then got drafted by the Warriors. He eventually choked PJ Carlesimo in practice and did a bunch of other stuff that indicated he was still a pinhead:

From Wikipedia

A significant blemish on Sprewell's career occurred on December 1, 1997, when he attacked head coach P. J. Carlesimo during a Warriors practice in Oakland. When Carlesimo yelled at Sprewell to make crisper passes (specifically asking him to "put a little mustard" on a pass),[3] Sprewell responded that he was not in the mood for criticism and told the coach to keep his distance. When Carlesimo approached, Sprewell threatened to kill him and dragged him backward by his throat, choking him for 7–10 seconds before his teammates and assistant coaches pulled him off Carlesimo. Sprewell returned about 20 minutes later after showering and changing and again accosted Carlesimo. He landed a glancing blow at Carlesimo's right cheek before being dragged away again by the assistant coaches.[4] This was not Sprewell's first violent incident with the Warriors; in 1995, he fought with teammate Jerome Kersey, returned to practice carrying a two-by-four, and reportedly threatened to return with a gun.[5] In a 1993 practice, Sprewell fought with Byron Houston, who was 50 pounds heavier than Sprewell and had what many teammates described as a Mike Tyson-like demeanor and physique.[6]

@Chongo posted:

Spree not only had a weakness for the ladies, but he also had a weakness for paying a lot of people to do shit for him he could have done for himself. I know his former assistant coach from the Warriors...said he paid some dude $1000 a week to basically go get him fast food and organize his closet. Also paid a personal chef $3000 a month to keep his house, fridge stocked with ready to eat meals which he threw out 95% of the time...because he was always sending out his guy to get Popeye's or McDonald's.

Dueling food sources.

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